Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017)

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 24-07-2016 11:22am #1

Couldn't find an existing thread for Spider-Man: Homecoming, but apologies if there is one already...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEignOVaGUU

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 24-07-2016 8:16pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvECdVYcnV0

A Little Pony · 23-08-2016 1:44pm

They will make a complete mess of it and I will be gutted if that is the case in what is my all time favourite character. The cast is just ridiculous. Its like the NAACP did the casting.

syklops · 23-08-2016 1:51pm

A Little Pony wrote: »

They will make a complete mess of it and I will be gutted if that is the case in what is my all time favourite character. The cast is just ridiculous. Its like the NAACP did the casting.

Spidey is also my all time favourite and we've been very unlucky films wise. Spider-man 2 I really enjoyed, because they finally got some things right. Spider-man 3 was a "lets see how many action figures we can sell in the next 2 hours".

My expectations are low for this.

IncognitoMan · 23-08-2016 2:17pm

My expectations are slightly higher for this one. Disney/Marvel are on board so it will probably be decent at least.

Tazzimus · 23-08-2016 2:41pm

The fact Marvel have a hand in it now gives me hope, they know how to make a superhero movie.

Nervous Wreck · 23-08-2016 8:47pm

A Little Pony wrote: »

They will make a complete mess of it and I will be gutted if that is the case in what is my all time favourite character. The cast is just ridiculous. Its like the NAACP did the casting.

He's from Queens... Literally the most culturally diverse place on the planet; it would be insane for all his friends to be white. And who in fcuk cares what colour Spider-Man's friends are?!?

Osmosis Jones · 23-08-2016 11:02pm

Marvel Studios have gotten their casting pretty spot on for 8 years now, I think we'll be fine.

pixelburp · 23-08-2016 11:24pm

A Little Pony wrote: »

They will make a complete mess of it and I will be gutted if that is the case in what is my all time favourite character. The cast is just ridiculous. Its like the NAACP did the casting.

We got one good spider man film out of 5 attempts by Sony, they ballsed up the franchise so badly they relinquished creative control back to Marvel, who were more than happy to get their flagship hero back in the nest. They know what theyre doing, and his small cameo in Civil War showed plenty of promise; so what's the worry here? Casting ethnicities? Ah come on. Lord.

alchemist33 · 23-08-2016 11:32pm

I really hope we won't have to sit through the same origin story yet again.

Dair76 · 24-08-2016 1:08am

Well I assume it's going to take place in the aftermath of Civil War, so he's already Spidey at that stage.

Osmosis Jones · 24-08-2016 1:29am

Yeah Tony Stark is in the movie so at worst we might get a flashback.

RedemptionZ · 24-08-2016 4:49am

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

He's from Queens... Literally the most culturally diverse place on the planet; it would be insane for all his friends to be white. And who in fcuk cares what colour Spider-Man's friends are?!?

Hardly insane, Queens is far from some racial utopia. That said I don't really care about them hiring whatever ethnicity, not really relevant to the character and as you say it is based in queens. Only example of that I can think of Idris Elba as Heimdall.

Nervous Wreck · 24-08-2016 7:55am

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Hardly insane, Queens is far from some racial utopia. That said I don't really care about them hiring whatever ethnicity, not really relevant to the character and as you say it is based in queens. Only example of that I can think of Idris Elba as Heimdall.

It'd be crazy to assert that a kid going to public school in Queens only has white friends, is what I'm saying.

24-08-2016 9:23am

You know what.

Let's just make him black.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rULHKshfbR8

syklops · 24-08-2016 10:28am

Deleted User wrote: »

You know what.

Let's just make him black.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rULHKshfbR8

Well the new Spider-man is Latino.

conorhal · 24-08-2016 11:11am

Aaaaand I'm out, I see the film has breached my '3 villain rule', which has stood hard and fast since ‘Batman and Robin’. You just know a film is gonna screw the pooch when it attempts to divide it's screen time between too many super villains and their machinations, which inevitably leaves little or no room for plot or character development.

Varik · 24-08-2016 2:19pm

Part of the agreement with Sony was leaked, they'd separate requirements for both spiderman and peter parker; among other things they're both male and straight with Peter having to be white.

Personal preference is that if the actor was in costume at comic con and you couldn't tell who they're meant to be it's being done wrong.

Don't mind much about Mary Jane, her look is closer to the character original than you'd think and considering we've already had a more traditional MJ so relatively recently this is fine. Still rather her have the red hair, not sure if they've got an on set picture show her yet.

Liz has been black before so that's not new, she was black in Sony last animated Spider man which was very popular and there was a lot of anger when Disney/marvel took got TV animated rights back.

Only 2 I actively dislike are for Flash thompson and betty brant.

syklops wrote: »

Well the new Spider-man is Latino.

He's half, and half black.

And also getting a lot of hate from SWJ right now for how he's being written and by who (Bendis) .

A Little Pony · 24-08-2016 3:04pm

A black spiderman?

RedemptionZ · 24-08-2016 3:10pm

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

It'd be crazy to assert that a kid going to public school in Queens only has white friends, is what I'm saying.

I think it's crazier if he has no white friends though! I mean people do tend to stick to their own, especially in a racially divided country like the states. It does seem like they're trying to do 'one of every kind' just for the sake of it. Again I don't have a big problem with it, I'm not a Spider-Man fan and don't care much about the characters so I'll happily see this but it still does look like they're pandering a bit.

24-08-2016 3:14pm

....

He doesn't look very half anything to me ..

Have they recast him again??

constitutionus · 24-08-2016 3:18pm

pixelburp wrote: »

We got one good spider man film out of 5 attempts by Sony, they ballsed up the franchise so badly they relinquished creative control back to Marvel, who were more than happy to get their flagship hero back in the nest. They know what theyre doing, and his small cameo in Civil War showed plenty of promise; so what's the worry here? Casting ethnicities? Ah come on. Lord.

speaking of which people should give a listen to this vid off "midnights edge"

its one of three.

sweet jesus im amazed raimi didnt shoot someone with all the interference on the franchise. sony REALLY fuked these up trying to make a cash cow out of em. particularly pascall - who went on to bugger up ghostbusters.

seems as well that the price for spidey in the MCU is sony get to use Cap in a few of their films. getting stark was probably a dream come true for em too.

LoLth · 24-08-2016 3:20pm

A Little Pony wrote: »

A black spiderman?

wasnt that Venom ?

Nervous Wreck · 24-08-2016 3:40pm

RedemptionZ wrote: »

I think it's crazier if he has no white friends though! I mean people do tend to stick to their own, especially in a racially divided country like the states. It does seem like they're trying to do 'one of every kind' just for the sake of it. Again I don't have a big problem with it, I'm not a Spider-Man fan and don't care much about the characters so I'll happily see this but it still does look like they're pandering a bit.

It hasn't been said anywhere that he doesn't have white friends; just that he has friends from other ethnicities. In a Queens school, white kids would probably number just under 50% of the classroom so defo fair to say he'd have plenty of white friends...

I'm going on a tangent here so I'm actually gonna pull it back to why the FCUK would anyone care if Peter Parker's friends are black/Asian/Hispanic/purple/whateverthefcuk? Who cares if they're pandering a bit to include ethnic minorities? Surely pandering is a much smaller issue than excluding entire ethnic groups almost entirely? If only pandering was the worst thing going on in the world...

Varik · 24-08-2016 3:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

....

He doesn't look very half anything to me ..

Have they recast him again??

Not peter parker

RedemptionZ · 24-08-2016 3:52pm

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

It hasn't been said anywhere that he doesn't have white friends; just that he has friends from other ethnicities. In a Queens school, white kids would probably number just under 50% of the classroom so defo fair to say he'd have plenty of white friends...

I'm going on a tangent here so I'm actually gonna pull it back to why the FCUK would anyone care if Peter Parker's friends are black/Asian/Hispanic/purple/whateverthefcuk? Who cares if they're pandering a bit to include ethnic minorities? Surely pandering is a much smaller issue than excluding entire ethnic groups almost entirely? If only pandering was the worst thing going on in the world...

Well I think it would be better if these underrepresented ethnicities were actually given their own well written characters in Hollywood as opposed to giving them small generally comic relief sidekick roles. Pandering towards those groups. For me it seems a little belittling but maybe that's just me and the way I look at it, As you say we're on a tangent and nothing to do with the movie so probably for another thread.

Varik · 24-08-2016 4:02pm

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Well I think it would be better if these underrepresented ethnicities were actually given their own well written characters in Hollywood as opposed to giving them small generally comic relief sidekick roles. Pandering towards those groups. For me it seems a little belittling but maybe that's just me and the way I look at it, As you say we're on a tangent and nothing to do with the movie so probably for another thread.

Star trek made sulu gay in the reboot, and their reasoning is understandable. An existing character means more, he's not disposable.

That being said, Tony Revolori playing flash is stupid.

Nervous Wreck · 24-08-2016 4:51pm

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Well I think it would be better if these underrepresented ethnicities were actually given their own well written characters in Hollywood as opposed to giving them small generally comic relief sidekick roles. Pandering towards those groups. For me it seems a little belittling but maybe that's just me and the way I look at it, As you say we're on a tangent and nothing to do with the movie so probably for another thread.

The thing is, there's nothing explicitly white about most of them. They were just drawn white because they were drawn by white guys. So changing their ethnicity shouldn't really matter at all. If their character called, for specific reasons, for them to be of a certain race, that's a different story (eg Luke Cage must be black, Danny Rand must be white). But in general, they're not.

Also, this isn't a new thing and these aren't "small generally comic relief sidekick roles". To name a few:

Michael Clarke Duncan, a black man, played Kingpin, who is white in the comics.
Dean Cain, a half-Asian man, played Superman, who is white in the comics.
Vondie Curtis-Hall, a black man, played Ben Urich, who is white in the comics.
Chloe Bennet, a half-Asian woman, played Quake, who is white in the comics.
Samuel L. Jackson, a black man, played Nick Fury, who is white in the comics - except the Ultimate comics, in which Marvel modelled Fury on Jackson himself.

There's plenty more examples too.

FunLover18 · 24-08-2016 7:11pm

RedemptionZ wrote:

I think it's crazier if he has no white friends though! I mean people do tend to stick to their own, especially in a racially divided country like the states. It does seem like they're trying to do 'one of every kind' just for the sake of it. Again I don't have a big problem with it, I'm not a Spider-Man fan and don't care much about the characters so I'll happily see this but it still does look like they're pandering a bit.

Stick to their own? I know what you're getting at but it's a poor choice of words.

I think if this movie sends a message that you don't have to stick your own, that's fine with me. Spider-Man is still a role model for kids and not just white kids so the more diverse the world is the more reflective of society it is. Characters were all white in the comics because they were written in the 60s.

24-08-2016 10:04pm

Varik wrote: »

Not peter parker

Oh, right. Thought we were talking about the movie incarnation.

RedemptionZ · 25-08-2016 12:34am

FunLover18 wrote: »

Stick to their own? I know what you're getting at but it's a poor choice of words.

I think if this movie sends a message that you don't have to stick your own, that's fine with me. Spider-Man is still a role model for kids and not just white kids so the more diverse the world is the more reflective of society it is. Characters were all white in the comics because they were written in the 60s.

Ah I don't mean it in a bad way, it's just what I've witness when I lived in America, maybe could've worded it better. Anyway, there hasn't even been a proper trailer, these characters could all be tremendously written or there could be a lot of token ethnicities that feel like they've thrown in, either way I'm still going to see the movie so I don't care that much. Was just making the point that it might look a little artificial, which could be a negative. Anyway we don't know anything about it and it's all really just speculation so let's move on

Tony EH · 25-08-2016 10:38am

It's unfortunate that Andrew Garfield isn't returning.

'The Amazing Spider-Man' may have its critics, but I thought it was generally superior to the Sam Raimi efforts, with Garfield trumping any other Peter Parker before him.

But, then again, I'm not really a fan of Raimi's...

El Duda · 25-08-2016 10:43am

Tony EH wrote: »

It's unfortunate that Andrew Garfield isn't returning.

Have you not seen Civil War? The new Spiderman (Tom Holland) seems perfect!

I like Garfield but he's too old and not nerdy enough imo.

pixelburp · 25-08-2016 10:47am

Garfield was far too angst-ridden IMO - though this wasn't his fault of course; the script made a cack-handed attempt to inject some familial strife and conspiracy into a perfectly serviceable origin story. But he also looked all of his then 29 years & watching him skulk around school corridors while clutching his skateboard was kinda cringe inducing. Whatever else about Tom Holland, Marvel at least cast in the right age bracket and didn't continue the hoary tradition of casting adults as teens; it's no wonder kids these days have such messed up self-image ideals when their supposed fictional contemporaries all sport 5 o'clock shadows.

Penn · 25-08-2016 11:20am

Andrew Garfield was better than Tobey Maguire imo but he didn't get a good enough film to really be great, whereas at least Maguire had Spider-Man 2 (and to a lesser extent the first film).

But based on his performance in Civil War, Tom Holland has the potential to blow both out of the water.

Nervous Wreck · 25-08-2016 1:15pm

I thought Maguire awful and Garfield fantastic. Unfortunately, as said Garfield's stint wasn't good enough. The first one was pretty good, if lacking in villainy, but the second was so far beyond shît...

First and third Raimi films are fcuking terrible. I haven't rewatched 2 in a while so I might give it a go soon!

Mickeroo · 25-08-2016 2:07pm

I don't think the first one is terrible at all, loved it at the time. The second have is pretty poor but I still think the first half when he's getting used to his powers and that is pretty good (even if it is just a rehash of Donner's Superman)

Varik · 25-08-2016 2:32pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

I don't think the first one is terrible at all, loved it at the time. The second have is pretty poor but I still think the first half when he's getting used to his powers and that is pretty good (even if it is just a rehash of Donner's Superman)

People give it and the first x-men film a lot of ****, but at the time they were well received.

constitutionus · 25-08-2016 3:24pm

well in fairness thats because bar Blade there wasnt a decent superhero film since batman in '89 , and blade was practically ashamed of its comicbook roots.

people forget now with the advent of marvel studios but there was a time when comics movies were carcrash after carcrash.

in modern terms both spidey and xmen look fuking ridiculously dated, in no small part to do with the fact people were still trying to figure out how to get the modern superhero filmright.

i mean look at the state of the first xmens films uniforms now. theryre practially cringe inducingly bad compared to what we see in civil war and the like.

FunLover18 · 25-08-2016 3:47pm

Really surprised to see people not liking Raimi's Spider-Man films (well 3 I can understand) as I've only ever heard praise for them. Yes the cgi has really dated but they're still good films that are well constructed. Maguire was definitely too old and some other casting was iffy but I still think the first two are among the best superhero movies made. But each to their own and I can't wait for Holland.

Have we all scene that vine of he and Zendaya grooving? I don't think I realised he was trained in ballet, that should really serve him well.

IncognitoMan · 25-08-2016 9:01pm

Andrew Garfield really seemed like getting the Spiderman role was a big deal to him personally so it's a shame he didn't get a great film out of it. I liked Garfield a lot more than Maguire all the same.

Realistically I haven't seen enough of Holland yet but so far so good. We'll see what he's like when he's the main focus of the film.

conorhal · 26-08-2016 2:38pm

IncognitoMan wrote: »

Andrew Garfield really seemed like getting the Spiderman role was a big deal to him personally so it's a shame he didn't get a great film out of it. I liked Garfield a lot more than Maguire all the same.

Realistically I haven't seen enough of Holland yet but so far so good. We'll see what he's like when he's the main focus of the film.

It was the casting of Marisa Tomei as a disconceringly hot aunt May that made me wonder about this film, no young orphan spiderman should ever want to spy his aunt May in the shower.....

Osmosis Jones · 26-08-2016 4:51pm

It's always been odd to me that Aunt May is like 50-60 years older than Peter anyway.

Slydice · 26-08-2016 6:07pm

51 years old - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marisa_Tomei
20 years old - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Holland_(actor)

Age gap: 30 years.

Seems legit to me.

Marisa Tomei doesn't look old to me... but I'm old. I'd say she looks old to young folks.

FunLover18 · 26-08-2016 7:26pm

Have Peter's grandparents ever been seen in the comics or has Aunt May always been that old?

AFAIK Tyne Daly had been cast in this and I remember thinking at the time if she could be a grandmother. I doubt it but what with a now younger May it would mean the likelihood of his gps being alive is higher.

Tony EH · 27-08-2016 12:03am

Slydice wrote: »

51 years old - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marisa_Tomei

Christ on a bike! She's 51?

WTF does she eat? I'll have some of that.

IncognitoMan · 27-08-2016 2:45am

conorhal wrote: »

It was the casting of Marisa Tomei as a disconceringly hot aunt May that made me wonder about this film, no young orphan spiderman should ever want to spy his aunt May in the shower.....

Am OK, well I don't really think my hopes for this are hinging on aunt may's bangability.

nix · 27-08-2016 8:25am

I actually enjoy watching the third one, as its funnier knowing Raimi made it like he did so he could stop making the spiderman movies, the bad Peter montage is so bad its hilarious :P

Penn · 27-08-2016 9:34am

nix wrote: »

I actually enjoy watching the third one, as its funnier knowing Raimi made it like he did so he could stop making the spiderman movies, the bad Peter montage is so bad its hilarious :P

What's his excuse for the 'Raindrops keep falling on my head' scene in Spiderman 2?