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  • #632
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thoughts and prayers with families and friends of those killed and injured - and with all the people of France.
    Vive le France, Vive la Liberte.


  • #633
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Read back a few pages. They will be given the choice to abandon Islam or abandon Europe. The choice is entirely up to them.

    This slippery slope of yours is getting covered more and more in shit with each word you say.


  • #634
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,951 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Wherever it is they hold citizenship. Their parents are from Turkey? Back to Turkey you go. Azerbaijan? Syria? Egypt? Back to there you go.

    What if they were born in France, their parents born in France? How far back do you go?

    You claimed your "solution" could be implemented in one year?

    In 2010 there were 44 million Muslims in Europe

    To deport them all in one year would mean an arrest and deportation rate of just over 845,000 PER WEEK!

    You obviously don't think things through and post the online equivalent of a foaming at the mouth rant.


  • #635
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    gandalf wrote:
    I am going to France on holiday in the near future and yes I am concerned about going to public places but you know what scares me more it's the willingness of people to label an entire religion and it's people as a threat to others and to advocate exclusion, expulsion or worse as a solution. Have I just time warped back to Germany in the 1930's, do others not see the dangers of scapegoating a whole people because of the actions of fanatics?


    I was in France for holidays few weeks ago, I saw French people from all backgrounds and colours together (white, black, yellow, brown and even pink), they were happy, talkative, social, respectful of each other's...they were simply French people. I then realised that life in France isn't what some people here in boards are portraying, France is so mixed, French people are tolerant and they judge based on who you are, truly, and not based on where you come from despite the fact that their country is going through tough times. Please, don't listen to the few boardies here who try to make people fear the Muslims.


  • #636
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    it is my intention to join the military afterwards.

    The Salvation Army doesn't count. :rolleyes:


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  • #637
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    IrishTrajan wrote: »

    And, for the umpteenth time, tell me - how will they carry out more attacks if they're not allowed into the countries?

    The Belgian attacks and the Paris attacks were domestic terrorists. They're already in. So tell me, do you just deport normal everyday citizens who happened to be born into a family that was raised in the Islamic faith but have lived their whole lives in Nice/Marseilles/wherever? They've probably never been outside France for all you know. Your way of thinking and generalising is a bit nuts, especially against people who have done nothing except but ''sure just send them back in case''.... even though back is actually France for the most part.


  • #638
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    The same names pop up on here everytime there's an attack like this, tugging the mickeys off each other, giddy with excitement of yet another attack because they feel they can use bigoted and xenophobic language without being challenged on it.


  • #639
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    gosplan wrote: »
    What about just safeguarding people rather than Irish people?

    You're honestly going to tell me you weigh all lives equally? That you'd sooner sacrifice your own sibling to save 10 people you will never meet in Asia?

    It's simple human nature to associate with groups, an Irish life means more to me than another life. I'd accept a thousand non-Irish before I'd accept a single Irish one.
    gosplan wrote: »
    Your attitude of going outside what you know to be acceptable moral standards to protect 'your group' is hugely ironic.

    There's nothing ironic about it. Me advocating for the deportation of a group does not equate the murder of another. My argument is infinitely more moral than theirs.
    gosplan wrote: »
    If you lived in the Middle East, I imagine that the general viewpoint is that the West have been at war against us (politically, economically and physically) for a century. They're not wrong. At the same time some some Western countries have had to take in migrants from these countries (a consequence of colonialism) and have left them in marginalised ghettos that don't integrate.

    Oh for fúck sake, ISIS don't give a **** about our history, they're only interested in power and furthering their Caliphate.
    gosplan wrote: »
    I wonder how much further you'd be willing to go. I mean people here are talking about 'interrogations', internment, bombing civilians etc ... and nothing's actually happened here in Ireland yet.

    I would definitely not support torturing or bombing civilians just out of spite. I'm not advocating we murder millions of people, I am however advocating that we safeguard our nation and our countrymen.


  • #640
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,951 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The Salvation Army doesn't count. :rolleyes:

    Oh lol I didn't see that bit from him, All his online talk of killing everyone will soon go down the drain, doubt if he would even make it through psychology evaluation for recruitment


  • #641
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The Salvation Army doesn't count. :rolleyes:

    I'll make sure to give them your best regards when I'm putting the people who want your head on a pike in the ground :)


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  • #642
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Read back a few pages. They will be given the choice to abandon Islam or abandon Europe. The choice is entirely up to them.

    If you read back a few pages you'll see I posted this.
    Omackeral wrote: »
    I'm no fan of religion. I don't actively hate it. I kinda laugh at it and find anyone who invests in it majorly to be a bit dimmer or more ignorant than your average. However, if people want to attend church/mosque/synagogue then leave them to it if they're otherwise harmless good people.

    Saying believe this or convert to that is a horrendous idea. Siraj, who lives next door to my mother, has been there about 13 years with his wife and children and works for IBM, just a normal bloke getting on like the rest of us. His missus sends in some sweet cakes the odd time too. Should I turf them out?


    Would you care to respond IrishTrajan?


  • #643
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Omackeral wrote: »
    The Belgian attacks and the Paris attacks were domestic terrorists. They're already in. So tell me, do you just deport normal everyday citizens who happened to be born into a family that was raised in the Islamic faith but have lived their whole lives in Nice/Marseilles/wherever? They've probably never been outside France for all you know. Your way of thinking and generalising is a bit nuts, especially against people who have done nothing except but ''sure just send them back in case''.... even though back is actually France for the most part.

    "Domestic"

    Is that what you'd call second or third generation immigrants?


  • #644
    Stacksofwacks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Read back a few pages. They will be given the choice to abandon Islam or abandon Europe. The choice is entirely up to them.

    One of the main things that EU countries subscribe to is not to discriminate against its citizens on the basis of religious affiliation. So your question is rendered irrelevant really


  • #645
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Omackeral wrote: »
    If you read back a few pages you'll see I posted this.

    Would you care to respond IrishTrajan?

    I missed it. Tends to get a bit busy when you've only replied to one to find another 3 posts to reply to.

    It's quite simple really. That man has the chance to drop Islam and embrace Irish culture, or leave.


  • #646
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    IrishTrajan wrote:
    Is that what you'd call second or third generation immigrants?

    What's the cut off point where one goes from being a multi generation immigrant to having the nationality of the country where they or there parents were born?


  • #647
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    I'll make sure to give them your best regards when I'm putting the people who want your head on a pike in the ground :)

    Wow proper little keyboard warrior aren't you.


  • #648
    Autonomous Cowherd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    You're honestly going to tell me you weigh all lives equally? That you'd sooner sacrifice your own sibling to save 10 people you will never meet in Asia?

    It's simple human nature to associate with groups, an Irish life means more to me than another life. I'd accept a thousand non-Irish before I'd accept a single Irish one.

    Oh stop it now. :mad:
    Considering all lives as equal is EXACTLY what we should be doing.


  • #649
    Elliott S
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭Elliott S


    This is all becoming very scary.


  • #650
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Tell me how wrote: »
    What's the cut off point where one goes from being a multi generation immigrant to having the nationality of the country where they or there parents were born?

    Third generation, usually. Second identify with the religion of their parents, it's why they tend to be more easily radicalised than first-generation immigrants. They identify with neither their host country or their parents' home country.


  • #651
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,951 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Third generation, usually. Second identify with the religion of their parents, it's why they tend to be more easily radicalised than first-generation immigrants. They identify with neither their host country or their parents' home country.

    So how do you go about deporting hundreds of thousand's of people a week?


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  • #652
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    IrishTrajan wrote:
    Third generation, usually. Second identify with the religion of their parents, it's why they tend to be more easily radicalised than first-generation immigrants. They identify with neither their host country or their parents' home country.

    I didn't realize there was a law around that. Interesting.


  • #653
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So how do you go about deporting hundreds of thousand's of people a week?

    You grow a set


  • #654
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    Oh stop it now. :mad:
    Considering all lives as equal is EXACTLY what we should be doing.

    So, you're honestly going to tell me you'd let one of your family members die to save 10 people from Indonesia? I find it hard to believe. You might think all lives weigh equally from a comfortable life in the Western world, but that simply is not the case.

    Nigerians care about Nigerian lives more than Irish ones, just as I care about Irish ones more than Nigerians. There's nothing inherently wrong about it, it's just what humans are.


  • #655
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So how do you go about deporting hundreds of thousand's of people a week?

    You arrest them and hold them until you can deport them on the next plane or boat out. It's not like the Egyptians can stop their own citizens from entering the country.

    It will be expensive, but it's not like the money is just going to disappear, it'll float around the economy.


  • #656
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,951 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    my friend wrote: »
    You grow a set

    The police cannot cope with the day to day crime in most countries as it is,

    Now they should be used 24/7 to round up Muslims

    Then guard them

    Then deport them.

    How many planes would be needed?

    Ah sure just put them in cattle cars of trains and drive them thousands of miles across the world.

    Put them in camps as well?

    How easily the weak minded forget the past


  • #657
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Tell me how wrote: »
    I didn't realize there was a law around that. Interesting.

    You asked when my cut-off would be. I am giving you an answer based on statistical fact.


  • #658
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Elliott S wrote: »
    This is all becoming very scary.

    Yes, it is scary. But what I personally find terrifying is that people are absolutely willing to condemn over a billion people because of the actions of a few.

    IrishTrajan is utterly hilarious by bringing up people on Godwin's Law, while simultaneously sprouting nonsense that would be utterly at home in Nazi Germany.


  • #659
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,951 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    You arrest them and hold them until you can deport them on the next plane or boat out. It's not like the Egyptians can stop their own citizens from entering the country.

    It will be expensive, but it's not like the money is just going to disappear, it'll float around the economy.

    Their navy can stop a ship entering their waters, their air force can stop a plane entering their air space.


  • #660
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dav3 wrote: »
    The same names pop up on here everytime there's an attack like this, tugging the mickeys off each other, giddy with excitement of yet another attack because they feel they can use bigoted and xenophobic language without being challenged on it.

    Thankfully, for all the empty rhetoric here, talk of rounding up Muslims, forcing them to integrate or be deported etc. etc. is all just complete and utter hot air and fantasy, a waste of words.

    Because we DO live in democracies, we have Constitutions to protect individual rights and prevent collective punishment, we recognise numerous international treaties that enshrine that simple ideal, we are underpinned by the ECHR which would not tolerate punishment because of religion or race, we have legislation that prevents it, and we have a society that would abhor any departure from the simple rule that you punish the offender, not his race.


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  • #661
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    my friend wrote: »
    You grow a set

    By giving in to terrorists and giving them exactly the reaction they want?

    That's called cowardly and despicable where I come from.


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