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Nice - Bastille day **mod warning post 1**

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  • #512
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Terrible news to wake up to this morning. RIP to all those poor people.
    Bastille day is meant to be fun, you go to the fireworks and then have a dance at the firemen's ball, it happens in every village and town. Not this. :(
    Living in France, it's making me avoid any crowded situation. I hate the fear.


  • #513
    Stacksofwacks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    If Islam wasn't a religion people would be comparing it to Nazi ideology. I think it is a horrific belief system and it has no place in our Western democracy. It should be banned. Just like how the Nazi flag is banned in Germany.

    Its not as simple as banning it when you have close to a billion people who follow it. it needs to be phased out and watered down over time but that would probably take decades, centuries, even. I have no problem people believing what they want to believe but it is the extremists that need to be tackled


  • #514
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    If Islam wasn't a religion people would be comparing it to Nazi ideology. I think it is a horrific belief system and it has no place in our Western democracy. It should be banned. Just like how the Nazi flag is banned in Germany.

    That's a false analogy.

    The issue is extremism. Extremism in religion, politics, nationalism etc.

    When Irish men bombed pubs and restaurants it would have been entirely false to compare Irish nationalism with the Nazi ideology...


  • #515
    PeterTheNinth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭PeterTheNinth


    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    Terrible news to wake up to this morning. RIP to all those poor people.

    Yeah, I went to be at 10.30am last night Ivy, and knew nothing about it til this morning when I turned on the radio to hear Shay Byrne saying "only some of the newspapers carry the headlines about the attacks in Nice last night". Terrible.


  • #516
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Stacksofwacks wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    If Islam wasn't a religion people would be comparing it to Nazi ideology. I think it is a horrific belief system and it has no place in our Western democracy. It should be banned. Just like how the Nazi flag is banned in Germany.

    Its not as simple as banning it when you have close to a billion people who follow it. it needs to be phased out and watered down over time but that would probably take decades, centuries, even. I have no problem people believing what they want to believe but it is the extremists that need to be tackled
    No, believe me you can ban it. Japan has literally kept this death cult under wraps for decades. Follow the example of Japan. They think women have no rights, homosexuals etc.


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  • #517
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    A Little Pony wrote:
    If Islam wasn't a religion people would be comparing it to Nazi ideology. I think it is a horrific belief system and it has no place in our Western democracy. It should be banned. Just like how the Nazi flag is banned in Germany.

    You do realize the vast percentage of Muslims abhor terrorism the same as non-Muslims?

    IMO Muslims who commit such atrocities "use" religion to vindicate their ideology and don't necessarily have the ideology because of their religion.


  • #518
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,992 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Who is "them"? Muslims or terrorists?

    So you round them up and demand that they integrate...and if they don't it's jail?

    You mean without trial? Sort of like internment?

    Listen the cops have fair idea who is who. I mean your post is exactly why we need tougher laws. Let Cops and forces deal with it. If people don't comply then yes jail them, what are they hiding?

    You make it sound like I'm going after innocent people, I'm not. Go after anybody who has any links.

    EVENFLOW



  • #519
    crazygeryy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭crazygeryy


    Roll on charlie hebdoe and their wonderfully funny entertaining cartoons."sarcasm"


  • #520
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The_Kew_Tour wrote:
    Go after anybody who has any links.

    How tenuous must the link be or will you have to be burdened with proof of evil acts or intent?


  • #521
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Listen the cops have fair idea who is who. I mean your post is exactly why we need tougher laws. Let Cops and forces deal with it. If people don't comply then yes jail them, what are they hiding?

    You make it sound like I'm going after innocent people, I'm not. Go after anybody who has any links.

    Like Guantanamo?


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  • #522
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,992 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Tell me how wrote: »
    How tenuous must the link be or will you have to be burdened with proof of evil acts or intent?

    Well if anybody tweets about ISIS or or supports them openly, like Paris and Brussels guys last year.

    EVENFLOW



  • #523
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Tell me how wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote:
    If Islam wasn't a religion people would be comparing it to Nazi ideology. I think it is a horrific belief system and it has no place in our Western democracy. It should be banned. Just like how the Nazi flag is banned in Germany.

    You do realize the vast percentage of Muslims abhor terrorism the same as non-Muslims?

    IMO Muslims who commit such atrocities "use" religion to vindicate their ideology and don't necessarily have the ideology because of their religion.
    I don't even believe that anymore. Used to but it is becoming pretty clear Islam is a huge problem for freedom loving countries in the Western world. It isn't compatible.


  • #524
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,992 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Like Guantanamo?

    No that's other side of world

    EVENFLOW



  • #525
    Stacksofwacks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    No, believe me you can ban it. Japan has literally kept this death cult under wraps for decades. Follow the example of Japan. They think women have no rights, homosexuals etc.

    I dont think tolerant, liberal societies should be talking in terms of ''banning'' things. but if the problem has become intolerable then you could bring in those kind of measures. Dont forget, as horrific as these incidents are they are still relatively rare and sporadic.


  • #526
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    No that's other side of world

    I obviously don't mean using that base.

    But as in a system like Guantanamo?


  • #527
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Listen the cops have fair idea who is who. I mean your post is exactly why we need tougher laws. Let Cops and forces deal with it. If people don't comply then yes jail them, what are they hiding?

    You make it sound like I'm going after innocent people, I'm not. Go after anybody who has any links.

    Common sense post.


  • #528
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Stacksofwacks wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    No, believe me you can ban it. Japan has literally kept this death cult under wraps for decades. Follow the example of Japan. They think women have no rights, homosexuals etc.

    I dont think tolerant, liberal societies should be talking in terms of ''banning'' things. but if the problem has become intolerable then you could bring in those kind of measures. Dont forget, as horrific as these incidents are they are still relatively rare and sporadic.
    It seems like it is happening all the time now. Something has to be done. People who are more of a left leaning persuasion might not like it but they aren't offering up any alternatives.


  • #529
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Tell me how wrote: »
    You do realize the vast percentage of Muslims abhor terrorism the same as non-Muslims?

    IMO Muslims who commit such atrocities "use" religion to vindicate their ideology and don't necessarily have the ideology because of their religion.

    You don't keep a gangrenous hand just because 3 of the 5 fingers don't have gangrene.

    Islam is completely incompatible with the West, and we shouldn't allow it.


  • #530
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Stacksofwacks wrote: »
    Dont forget, as horrific as these incidents are they are still relatively rare and sporadic.

    How often is often enough in your mind for it to start to be a problem?


  • #531
    Car99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,531 ✭✭✭Car99


    Terrible terrible act . Is there anything any police force can do to prevent this type of attack? I find it hard to see any way of stopping this, it's frighteningly random.


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  • #532
    Stacksofwacks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    It seems like it is happening all the time now. Something has to be done. People who are more of a left leaning persuasion might not like it but they aren't offering up any alternatives.

    People of a right leaning persuasion who advocate coming down hard and start taking people's rights away, but this could have the opposite effect and play further into the extremists hands. Its a tough one to deal with no doubt, an ongoing conversation in todays world


  • #533
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,992 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I obviously don't mean using that base.

    But as in a system like Guantanamo?

    I don't know total ends and outs so can't answer that really.

    EVENFLOW



  • #534
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Tell me how wrote: »
    How tenuous must the link be or will you have to be burdened with proof of evil acts or intent?

    Failure to inform police of radicals in your area (the Paris attackers hid out in a Muslim suburb in Brussels for months). Open support or condoning of extremists. Any sort of affiliation with extremists.

    The result can be either deportation or placed under Gardaí surveillance. I'd even go so far as to using the Special Criminal Court in instances where we are aware of them having ill intent towards the public.


  • #535
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Car99 wrote: »
    Terrible terrible act . Is there anything any police force can do to prevent this type of attack? I find it hard to see any way of stopping this, it's frighteningly random.

    We are all aware of what the common denominator is.


  • #536
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Car99 wrote: »
    it's frighteningly random.

    Eh... no.

    It's frighteningly specific.


  • #537
    Stacksofwacks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    How often is often enough in your mind for it to start to be a problem?

    I wasnt discussing whether it was a problem or not, but whether it(Islam) should be banned. read back through the posts


  • #538
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Stacksofwacks wrote: »
    I wasnt discussing whether it was a problem or not, but whether it(Islam) should be banned. read back through the posts

    The IRA's attacks were quite sporadic since 1922 onwards and they've been sporadic since 1998 onwards. Should we unban it as an organisation?


  • #539
    Stacksofwacks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    The IRA's attacks were quite sporadic since 1922 onwards and they've been sporadic since 1998 onwards. Should we unban it as an organisation?

    that makes absolutely no sense what you just said there


  • #540
    Lovely Bloke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    ALL religion should be outlawed.

    Arrest them all, from the hiders of child rapers to the instigators of attacks like this.

    Religion has no place in civilised society.


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  • #541
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Stacksofwacks wrote: »
    I wasnt discussing whether it was a problem or not, but whether it(Islam) should be banned

    The question still stands though.

    How often is often enough for you to consider Islam to be considered incompatible with Western civilisation?


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