Nice - Bastille day **mod warning post 1**

Lyaiera

Shield wrote: »

I'm trying to bring balance. There's no getting away from it; the guy is absolutely spot on, because then he says this:

"There are hundreds of millions of Muslims who are nominal Muslims, who don't take the faith seriously, who don't want to kill apostates, who are horrified by ISIS, and we need to defend these people, prop them up, and let them reform their lives."

That's the answer, in my opinion.

There's a relatively similar amount of Catholics in Ireland. The problem is (as pointed out by Muslims and ex-mulsims) western papers giving time to the radicals in Europe. The dutch cartoons were ignored by muslims, they couldn't give a ****. I'm sure some of them read the papers but they got on with their lives, brought their kids to school, went to work, had lunch, and eventually came home to watch TV or play games. It was the western media who started asking rabble rousing Islamists what their views were, then painting those views as representative of the average muslim in Holland, or France, or wherever. And if you didn't agree with them, you weren't a "real" muslim.

It didn't even raise an eyebrow in the middle-east. There have been plenty of cartoons, illustrations and drawings of Mohammed in those countries. No-one cared, they were seen as part of life. There's loads of Mosques where there's artwork of big Mo (not Mo Mowlam, the other one.)

Pretty much every survey done of muslims in the west is showing young muslims are more "extreme" in their views than older muslims. I would put this down to the fact that their parents, moderate in their beliefs are being painted as "not real muslims" by the media, and the young people are searching for identity, easily found in radical islamist preachers.

This is a good essay on it. http://www.kenanmalik.com/essays/gp_cartoons.html

mansize

Do Sky News have the same "fact checkers" as Sky Sports News I wonder...

jigglypuffstuff

nocoverart wrote: »

People are killing people because of religion. Come on now! and nothing extreme about me. I just find all these believe systems totally absurd considering Santa Clause is more plausible than any God... and there's many Gods people believe in.

Actually No

People are killing people because they want to kill people....religion is merley the scapegoat... its quite simple if it was religions fault every religious person would be killing others...buts that's not the case we both know that

Yes you find them absurd, and you are entitled to...but you cannot say they have no purpose...there are millions of people worldwide who centre their lives around religion...many are better people for it.

These are good, decent, tolerant law abiding people....welcoming of all....and millions of them get discriminated against every day because they are associated with people who many in the western world perceive as representative of them...yet they arent..they are just crazy

You placing your belief system superior to the rest is extreme believe it or not..you dont grasp that?

In such times that extremism appears...actually no wait, psychopaths appear ...unity is required...not further divisive lines

Atlantic Dawn

Death toll now 80 according to Sky.

nocoverart

pone2012 wrote: »

Actually No

People are killing people because they want to kill people....religion is merley the scapegoat... its quite simple if it was religions fault every religious person would be killing others...buts that's not the case we both know that

Yes you find them absurd, and you are entitled to...but you cannot say they have no purpose...there are millions of people worldwide who centre their lives around religion...many are better people for it.

These are good, decent, tolerant law abiding people....welcoming of all....and millions of them get discriminated against every day because they are associated with people who many in the western world perceive as representative of them...yet they arent..they are just crazy



You placing your belief system superior to the rest is extreme believe it or not..you dont grasp that?

In such times that extremism appears...actually no wait, psychopaths appear ...unity is required...not further divisive lines

You're twisting my words but I don't want to get in a heated argument, so that's ok. All I'll say is if there is a God, then this attack was the Devils work. I think we can both agree on that.

RobertKK

An identity card was found on the lorry, and looking to see if it matches the terrorist, if it does it would mean the terrorist is French born of Tunisian ancestry and a resident of Nice.

Likely to be the deadliest attack by a single terrorist in history.

Atlantic Dawn

RobertKK wrote: »

An identity card was found on the lorry, and looking to see if it matches the terrorist, if it does it would mean the terrorist is French born of Tunisian ancestry and a resident of Nice.

Likely to be the deadliest attack by a single terrorist in history.

"They" are probably printing a deck of cards now with him as the Ace of spades similar to the Iraq terror deck back in the day so to speak.

FlawedGenius

Hitler was right. This race need to be exterminated

Mod: Banned

A Primal Nut

speedboatchase wrote: »

ClovenHoof wrote: »

ISIS just kill anything. They are like Pitbulls with AIDS.

Actually they're very specific about who they kill, and why. This whole narrative that they're simply maniacs with no ideology is harmful.

How are they specific about who they kill? Can you name one demographic of people that they aren't willing to kill or target?

A Primal Nut

pone2012 wrote: »

nocoverart wrote: »

People are killing people because of religion. Come on now! and nothing extreme about me. I just find all these believe systems totally absurd considering Santa Clause is more plausible than any God... and there's many Gods people believe in.

Actually No

People are killing people because they want to kill people....religion is merley the scapegoat... its quite simple if it was religions fault every religious person would be killing others...buts that's not the case we both know that

Yes you find them absurd, and you are entitled to...but you cannot say they have no purpose...there are millions of people worldwide who centre their lives around religion...many are better people for it.

These are good, decent, tolerant law abiding people....welcoming of all....and millions of them get discriminated against every day because they are associated with people who many in the western world perceive as representative of them...yet they arent..they are just crazy

You placing your belief system superior to the rest is extreme believe it or not..you dont grasp that?

In such times that extremism appears...actually no wait, psychopaths appear ...unity is required...not further divisive lines

Unless he's killing people then no, his belief system is not extreme in the slightest.

It's ridiculous to say Islam doesn't play a role in these killings, every time these incidences happen we here how the same story about how the perpetrator was radicalized in a mosque or by an Imam, and told that killing people in the name of Jihad would please God. It's completely ridiculous to say religion doesn't play a role in this. If these guys were adopted and brought up as atheists they wouldn't be committing terrorist attacks in the name of ISIS.

A Primal Nut

pone2012 wrote: »

nocoverart wrote: »

People are killing people because of religion. Come on now! and nothing extreme about me. I just find all these believe systems totally absurd considering Santa Clause is more plausible than any God... and there's many Gods people believe in.

Actually No

People are killing people because they want to kill people....religion is merley the scapegoat... its quite simple if it was religions fault every religious person would be killing others...buts that's not the case we both know that

Yes you find them absurd, and you are entitled to...but you cannot say they have no purpose...there are millions of people worldwide who centre their lives around religion...many are better people for it.

These are good, decent, tolerant law abiding people....welcoming of all....and millions of them get discriminated against every day because they are associated with people who many in the western world perceive as representative of them...yet they arent..they are just crazy

You placing your belief system superior to the rest is extreme believe it or not..you dont grasp that?

In such times that extremism appears...actually no wait, psychopaths appear ...unity is required...not further divisive lines

Unless he's killing people then no, his belief system is not extreme in the slightest.

It's ridiculous to say Islam doesn't play a role in these killings, every time these incidences happen we here how the same story about how the perpetrator was radicalized in a mosque or by an Imam, and told that killing people in the name of Jihad would please God. It's completely ridiculous to say religion doesn't play a role in this. If these guys were adopted and brought up as atheists they wouldn't be committing terrorist attacks in the name of ISIS. All you have to do is listen to the terrorists explain their reasons for carrying out attacks and their religion will be top of the list. Do you think they are lying?

Richard Hillman

Horrifying to news to wake up to. I'm so sad they we have let Europe get to this and the war hasnt even begun yet.

I went to bed early last night so have just found out about this now. Those poor people.

May they all rest in peace.

I said this same situation to two people recently.
One in relation to the Euros and the other as just as example of how guns aren't even needed.

I specifically said that bombs and guns aren't even needed, just the willingness too and how if someone drove a big truck down a busy shopping street that you'd kill a hell of a lot of people in a short time span.

Thankfully though there aren't too many people willing to lay down their lives to do such things which is what explains the infrequency.... Trust me its not any sort of tactic but just the unwillingness to actually follow through in the end as last night showed that not a great deal of effort has to be put in ala 911 etc.

I think if France has a vote on the EU they'll leave too on the basis of the past year as I'm sure the average citizen would like to see some areas/people removed from the country which won't be happening in the current EU.

FlawedGenius

FlawedGenius wrote: »

Hitler was right. This race need to be exterminated

Thats a disgusting sentiment.

OldMrBrennan83

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The_Kew_Tour

Zero tolerance is what's needed and no lefty left to decide how it's done. Then we will see results and lives saved

Patww79

Patww79 wrote: »

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No it's not.

The right answer is not simply somewhere along the spectrum from race extermination.

The_Kew_Tour

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Zero tolerance is what's needed and no lefty left to decide how it's done. Then we will see results and lives saved

Could you explain that?

I can understand zero tolerance in the context of minor offences...but I didn't know we tolerated terrorist attacks anyway.

SPDUB

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Unless he's killing people then no, his belief system is not extreme in the slightest.

It's ridiculous to say Islam doesn't play a role in these killings, every time these incidences happen we here how the same story about how the perpetrator was radicalized in a mosque or by an Imam, and told that killing people in the name of Jihad would please God. It's completely ridiculous to say religion doesn't play a role in this. If these guys were adopted and brought up as atheists they wouldn't be committing terrorist attacks in the name of ISIS. All you have to do is listen to the terrorists explain their reasons for carrying out attacks and their religion will be top of the list. Do you think they are lying?

Of course if they were atheists they wouldn't be committing attacks in the name of ISIS but the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka showed you can have suicide attacks that are not in the name of religion

OldMrBrennan83

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elefant

Patww79 wrote: »

So continue to slowly and backhandedly exterminate your own race in the quest to be PC?

Yes, that's exactly what he said.

I don't think cautioning against talk of genocide quite counts as PC.

twinytwo

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Security may have eased off a little after the Euro's passed off without incident. Also I think they specifically targeted Bastille Day for symbolic reasons. It would be like hitting the States on the 4th of July.

The difference is America will smash you back.

Europe, under Merkal, has become too soft and PC.

This is not going to stop unless some serious action is taken.

Patww79

Patww79 wrote: »

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So you don't object to the language of race extermination.

And you think the right answer is somewhere just along the race extermination spectrum - you said "in the middle" so presume you mean exterminating half a race.

And objecting to any talk of race extermination is PC.

Right oh.

The_Kew_Tour

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Could you explain that?

I can understand zero tolerance in the context oef minor offences...but I didn't know we tolerated terrorist attacks anyway.

Ya sure.

You round them all up. You integrate them, jail them if needs be, you make their life hell.

And to think you sadly think we are not tolerating it. EU and UN courts are making sure we are. Don't be sucked in. Just think how hard it was for Ireland to deport leading terrorist here. And he was well known!!u

OldMrBrennan83

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Stacksofwacks

Terrible for those involved. Sad to see these attacks are becoming more frequent and more extreme. Its got to the point where it neither surprises or shocks me anymore. Nothing much can be said about it really, just a bunch of wackjobs who will never achieve anything because we will never accept their loony ideals in our society, western society that is.

The_Kew_Tour

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Ya sure.

You round them all up. You integrate them, jail them if needs be, you make their life hell.

Who is "them"? Muslims or terrorists?

So you round them up and demand that they integrate...and if they don't it's jail?

You mean without trial? Sort of like internment?

A Little Pony

If Islam wasn't a religion people would be comparing it to Nazi ideology. I think it is a horrific belief system and it has no place in our Western democracy. It should be banned. Just like how the Nazi flag is banned in Germany.

ebbsy

Trump was right. Again.

Build it higher.