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Nice - Bastille day **mod warning post 1**

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  • #452
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,897 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    "We have to be able to criticize bad ideas. Islam, at this moment, is the mother lode of bad ideas" - Sam Harris at 2:11 of his debate with Ben Affleck below.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60


  • #453
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,543 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    my friend wrote: »
    Crookedclinton is weasel wording on Fox now

    Shamed into appearing and now referring to 'radical Islamists '

    Only on now because she was called out by O'Reilly, she's talking about Iraq now despite the fact that if you look those attacks on French soil 90% plus were carried out by those born in France.


  • #454
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    Clinton afraid to take ISIS out.


  • #455
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    my friend wrote: »
    Clinton afraid to take ISIS out.

    What is Trumps plan?


  • #456
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    20Cent wrote: »
    What is Trumps plan?

    He's not dumb enough to lay it out.


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  • #457
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Voodoomelon wrote: »
    Found myself watching one of the videos of people laying in the street. The carnage isn't what got me, it was the loved ones laying beside the victims, howling. I'm not a religious man, but god help those poor people.

    I think its time for Russia and America to bury the differences they have and take out Isis for good. This can't be allowed to continue.


  • #458
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,458 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    US ended a war by dropping an atomic bomb on innocent people of Japan, kids, women, men didn't matter to US back then. They done it and ended a war.
    the problem is that these scumbags go into civilian areas to stop thwart drone strikes etc... If it was as simple as then having Isisland with a flag, dropping a Nuke on them mightn't be a bad idea...


  • #459
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,543 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    The conspiracy brain in my head asks why didn't they do similar attacks during the Euros?


  • #460
    deandean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭deandean


    Jeez that is frightening. Many times I have walked that promenade. Nice is such a lovely town.

    If Mr Trump doesn't get the gig in the U.S. he would get a lot of support for the next French president.


  • #461
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    I think its time for Russia and America to bury the differences they have and take out Isis for good. This can't be allowed to continue.

    Like I said earlier in this thread, Putins power and standing increased tonight

    When he slaps the Turks down in the next few weeks what will Germany do? Nothing

    He's not afraid of NATO

    The EU will crumble


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  • #462
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    my friend wrote: »
    He's not dumb enough to lay it out.

    It's a secret?
    Sure it will be a great plan.


  • #463
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    pone2012 wrote: »
    Theres little logic behind that statement

    People die in car crashes everyday

    Cars kill people...cars are nothing short of evil

    :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Religion is pointless, cars have a use.


  • #464
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,401 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Shield wrote: »
    "We have to be able to criticize bad ideas. Islam, at this moment, is the mother lode of bad ideas" - Sam Harris at 2:11 of his debate with Ben Affleck below.

    Are you youtubing every Sam Harris one? Maher had a few of his own too.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #465
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    The conspiracy brain in my head asks why didn't they do similar attacks during the Euros?

    Security may have eased off a little after the Euro's passed off without incident. Also I think they specifically targeted Bastille Day for symbolic reasons. It would be like hitting the States on the 4th of July.


  • #466
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,401 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    my friend wrote: »
    He's not dumb enough to lay it out.

    I believe it went along the lines of "Kill em all"

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #467
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭take everything


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    I think there's a lot more to people being on the scratch (what's French equivalent?) with zero prospects of ever getting employment than saying it's 100% religion based. Ghettos of young men with feck all to do listening to other elders waffling about beliefs and ideals is more to do with it. If you look at the 6 counties when jobs and prosperity came it did more for peace than any talks or government crackdowns.

    True, angry young men with poor prospects and religion is not a good mix. And both apply here and in the North during the troubles.
    But this seems to be far more virulent. On a different scale and nature altogether.


  • #468
    Its dead Jim
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭Its dead Jim


    StringerBell wrote: »
    Are you youtubing every Sam Harris one? Maher had a few of his own too.

    I thought they were all just the same video, didn't realise he was making all comments through various youtube videos. A little better but not by much.


  • #469
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,543 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Security may have eased off a little after the Euro's passed off without incident. Also I think they specifically targeted Bastille Day for symbolic reasons. It would be like hitting the States on the 4th of July.

    A truck of that size would go through most if not all road blocks even with police shooting at it, if it was general media coverage they wanted sending a truck through an area with French or whatever fans were top of their "#Dislike" list would have made massive coverage.


  • #470
    ChunkyLover54
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭ChunkyLover54


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    The conspiracy brain in my head asks why didn't they do similar attacks during the Euros?

    What kind of conspiracy would that be?


  • #471
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,897 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    I'm trying to bring balance. There's no getting away from it; the guy is absolutely spot on, because then he says this:

    "There are hundreds of millions of Muslims who are nominal Muslims, who don't take the faith seriously, who don't want to kill apostates, who are horrified by ISIS, and we need to defend these people, prop them up, and let them reform their lives."

    That's the answer, in my opinion.
    StringerBell wrote: »
    Are you youtubing every Sam Harris one? Maher had a few of his own too.


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  • #472
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,401 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Its dead Jim wrote: »
    I thought they were all just the same video, didn't realise he was making all comments through various youtube videos. A little better but not by much.

    Gonna be honest, I took a shot. Didn't watch the videos, have seen the Maher/Affleck one before and assumed the others were basically the same, but different times. Maybe they are all the exact same, which would make it even worse!

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #473
    jigglypuffstuff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭jigglypuffstuff


    nocoverart wrote: »
    Religion is pointless, cars have a use.

    Nice try...your logic is flawed...fact remains

    Religion doesn't kill people....PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE

    Nice extreme opinion you have there, im sure thats just whats needed..more extreme opinions :rolleyes:


  • #474
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,543 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    ChunkyLover54 wrote: »
    What kind of conspiracy would that be?

    No idea but it doesn't really add up if your targetting France why you wouldn't do it on the month that the biggest soccer tournament on earth this year is happening?


  • #475
    purplepanda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    Europe, Africa & the middle east actually got off lightly during the historical Islamic conquests compared to the Muslim invasions of India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMY2YV9WucY


  • #476
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Usually traffic would be closed to roads with people on them. Like on St Patricks day. You should not be able to get close, should be stopped streets away.


    That thought occurred to me too.


  • #477
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,855 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    20Cent wrote: »
    What is Trumps plan?

    Something about walls.


  • #478
    NikoTopps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭NikoTopps


    The picture of a little girl lying dead on the street with her toy next to her is something I don't think I will be able to get out of my mind for quite some time now.

    Absolutely dreadful stuff, RIP to those whom died.


  • #479
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,401 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Shield wrote: »
    I'm trying to bring balance. There's no getting away from it; the guy is absolutely spot on, because then he says this:

    "There are hundreds of millions of Muslims who are nominal Muslims, who don't take the faith seriously, who don't want to kill apostates, who are horrified by ISIS, and we need to defend these people, prop them up, and let them reform their lives."

    That's the answer, in my opinion.

    I actually happen to come down more on the Maher/Harris side of things, but I just find posting videos without adding your own perspective lazy.

    I have already mentioned how crucial I think nominal, and moderate to progressive Muslims will be to stopping the Global Jihad of the extremists.

    There is a lot of hate, mistrust and darkness on both sides (extremism cuts both ways), as there is with all conflict. Finding a way to reconcile is not going to be easy.

    The world is in the ****ter and the signs are not good, I don't have all the answers obviously, I do know that perpetuating the same **** over and over again is not working.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #480
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    pone2012 wrote: »
    Nice try...your logic is flawed...fact remains

    Religion doesn't kill people....PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE

    Nice extreme opinion you have there, im sure thats just whats needed..more extreme opinions :rolleyes:

    People are killing people because of religion. Come on now! and nothing extreme about me. I just find all these belief systems totally absurd considering Santa Clause is more plausible than any God... and there's many Gods people believe in.


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  • #481
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,249 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    brooke 2 wrote: »
    That thought occurred to me too.

    Don't know the layout of the situation as in road closures but if you are driving a big arctic lorry a few barriers are not going to prove much of a deterrent lets be honest.


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