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  • #332
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Too Tired wrote: »
    Only good thing about these attacks is that more and more people will wake up and see how incompatible Islam is with the West. French intelligence minister warned of a French civil war. In his opinion a Cologne style mass sex attack will kick it off.

    This is an idiotic statement. Islam is very compatible with the west, radical arseholes are not... please do know the difference.


  • #333
    Lady is a tramp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭Lady is a tramp


    I'd happily put money on the fact that there won't be a major terrorist attack in Ireland in 2016. I sleep quite easily at night, the threat of one isn't even on my radar right now.


  • #334
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    gandalf wrote: »
    Can you point out any of those religions who haven't had extremists and fanatics carry out murder and mayhem in their names?

    Ah please - do we really have to compare actual terrorists to historical and hypothetical terrorists for balance now?


  • #335
    Pretzill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    This is such a horrible attack - they all are - but armchair politicising really pisses me off. Hopefully no one here knows of the horror victims of terror, their families, the emergency services attending, go through.

    We can't become desensitized to these attacks wherever they happen in the world. Time to disengage our smart phones and talk, rally, fight against terrorism. Everyone speak out, every religious persuasion or none, every race - the ordinary people who don't need to take **** like this anymore.

    I fear for the 'snowflake' generation - hopefully their children will have a bit more sense - some of the comments for sake of 'not offending' made here are just ignorant and naïve.


  • #336
    Mrs cockett
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Mrs cockett


    I am so sorry for the people in Nice tonight. I can picture families out enjoying themselves on a lovely warm evening and the fireworks over the sea are spectacular and then this horror and carnage was inflicted on them.There is such evil in this world.


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  • #337
    FalconGirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭FalconGirl


    It's true though, no christians, Hindus, Buddhists etc commit such barbaric atrocities at the same frequency and scales.....

    The silence does also be deafening!!


  • #338
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    rjpf1980 wrote: »
    You are more angry with the person who showed you the horror of the attack than you are with the individual, the terrorist group and the parent ideology that gave birth to the attack?

    People like you need to be shaken into action.

    We are in a global world war against radical Islamic extremism.

    We must fight or submit.

    If you really want to be on the front lines against Isis you'd need to join one of the Kurdish groups who are em Muslim.


  • #339
    inocybe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭inocybe


    It doesn't make sense that there were guns and grenades inside the truck - it suggests the original plan was different, and maybe more people involved


  • #340
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    Seems like a weekly occurrence now these types of attacks. How long more will the French people continue to accept the status quo? Decades of weak leadership has resulted in this. If the leaders of today are not willing to face up to the issue, then the voters will find new leaders on the edge of the political spectrum to sort this issue out. We need to have frank and honest discussion about migration, Islam and multiculturalism.

    RIP to all those who died


  • #341
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    gandalf wrote: »
    Can you point out any of those religions who haven't had extremists and fanatics carry out murder and mayhem in their names?

    Of course, every religion has had extremists at some point. But which religion has been the inspiration for the majority of terrorist attacks recently.


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  • #342
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    sugarman wrote: »
    I regrettably clicked on a video on twitter of some utter ****ingscumbag recording the debris, walking up the street, getting close up on people seriously injured seeking medical attention and of the dead.

    WHO ****ING DOES THAT?

    and instantly uploads it to youtube.

    I hate what we're becoming as a human race.

    I'll make a point of watching as much if it as I can, so I can see with my own eyes, what these people have gone through. I do the same with less trendy "First World" parts of the world.

    The more people see what's going on, the less people die in vain. Try and feel what they felt for just a moment.

    I know people who will deliberately switch from this to big brother, just to get away from it. Easy for them I suppose. All they have to do is press buttons...


  • #343
    rjpf1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭rjpf1980


    mansize wrote: »
    Have you signed up to fight them?

    Give me the orders and the weapons and I will fight.

    We need leaders in Europe.

    Not the cowards who rule us today.

    We are at war.


  • #344
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    gandalf wrote: »
    Can you point out any of those religions who haven't had extremists and fanatics carry out murder and mayhem in their names?

    Many have but how many of those religions still have terrorists and extremists fighting and killing in the name of their religion today?


  • #345
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    rjpf1980 wrote: »
    Give me the orders and the weapons and I will fight.

    Go to Russia. Sign up. Vlad will give you weapons.


  • #346
    Manutd_4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭Manutd_4life


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    Islam has existed for about 1400 years, thus cannot have been in europe for "thousands of years". bro.

    And it came to Europe through invasions, so you're not exactly making a great point anyway if you're going for the whole "religion of peace" thing.

    I just find it astonishing that some people think these ISIS animals are actually Muslim. If you studied Islam, you would know but clearly many people's only education seems to be from the media.

    You can't blame or punish an entire religion for the acts of a minority


  • #347
    zcorpian88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭zcorpian88


    Seen some footage on youtube, horrible and terrifying stuff.

    Becoming too common this, surprised nothing happened at the football games over there.

    You can time them to a tee, always some ISIS related massacre every fortnight or so now.

    Heart goes out to them all.


  • #348
    dissed doc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    FalconGirl wrote: »
    It's true though, no christians, Hindus, Buddhists etc commit such barbaric atrocities at the same frequency and scales.....

    The silence does also be deafening!!

    9.6% of France's population are Muslim.

    According to the guide, "When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings) ."

    Remember: the goal is not to control your resources or steal your gold, etc., The goal is Sharia Law - be it now, next week, next year or in 100 years. That is the goal.

    They will keep attacking forever, because the goal is one that will always be virtually unattainable - it won't happen overnight. NO truck attack or bomb will see a law passed to cancel democracy and enact Sharia as primary rule - but as population changes over generations, if it is ever attained and Sharia is enacted, the intra-faith tribal war takes over (e.g., Shia v Sunni).


  • #349
    Rainman16
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 566 ✭✭✭Rainman16


    Watch Fox News. Trump is on live with Bill O Reilly.


  • #350
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Sand wrote: »
    Ah please - do we really have to compare actual terrorists to historical and hypothetical terrorists for balance now?

    No just pointing out that ALL RELIGIONS have fanatics who are prepared to carry out acts of murder to prove they are the correct one.

    To tar all Muslims with the acts of a pack of Fanatics is lazy and dangerous. FFS these guys bombed the second holiest sites in Islam during Ramadan. It shows what they really think of their fellow muslims.


  • #351
    vg88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭vg88


    gone up to 75 dead, 50 injured :(


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  • #352
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    You make it sound like islam peacefully assimilated into europe in the past.

    Past I see .

    Not like Muslims have been carrying out atrocities for the last few hundred years in Europe,
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  • #353
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,401 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    rjpf1980 wrote: »
    Give me the orders and the weapons and I will fight.

    Go join up with the Kurds, they will take you, or join any of these countries that are fighting ISIS who will take you.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_militaries_that_recruit_foreigners

    It will involved you leaving your bedroom of course

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #354
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,041 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Such a shocking method of killing. It does however display a certain desperation on the part of these people. Last year they could organize synchronized military style attacks in Paris, this year it's driving a truck at people. Ultimately innocent people die but the refinement of previous attacks is not apparent, although it is in no way heartening as people have lost their lives as a result.

    Glazers Out!



  • #355
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    gandalf wrote: »
    No just pointing out that ALL RELIGIONS have fanatics who are prepared to carry out acts of murder to prove they are the correct one.

    To tar all Muslims with the acts of a pack of Fanatics is lazy and dangerous. FFS these guys bombed the second holiest sites in Islam during Ramadan. It shows what they really think of their fellow muslims.

    Sure, all religious groups are crazy, but there is a risk ranking of which religious group is going to kill me for their god and Muslim extremists are at the top of it, there is a huge, huge, huge gap and then the rest start showing up.


  • #356
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,458 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    How long until something is done? Europe has a problem with Islamic extremism. When will this be acknowledged? When will people stop denying we have a problem?
    I acknowledge France in particular has a problem. And the solution is? It may be a case that we simply have to accept this as the new reality... Trump, Obama can talk all the hard talk they like, it counts for nothing. You aren't dealing with rational people here. We can talk all we want about stopping it, I don't see how we can. Until the the lunatics want to stop attacking, because let's be honest, it's at their discretion!


  • #357
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,127 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Umm... Yes it is. From Oklahoma to Karachi. It's not as if the Irish haven't put a ton and a half of home made explosives into a truck and set it off a few times.

    Why would you think that it's such a difficult concept?

    Between the US and Greece and North of Morocco how many times has that happened in the last 20 years?

    How many terror campaigns have been going on in the last 20 years? Apparently the answer to your question (now I'm looking it up) is one truck, four vans. (UK, Norway, Spain x2). The number goes up if you go back further.

    In any case, that the few terrorist incidents going on in the EU in the last two decades haven't normally involved bombs in cargo vehicles in no way means that they are not common elsewhere, or that folks aren't considering it, or that the police aren't keeping an eye out for that sort of thing. Certainly if I were the police, I'd be thinking about it.


  • #358
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,712 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    20Cent wrote: »
    If you really want to be on the front lines against Isis you'd need to join one of the Kurdish groups who are em Muslim.

    Better to be part of a large group of Yogic Flyers creating coherence in Europe.


  • #359
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,205 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    http://www.stream2watch.co/live-now/live-tv/us/fox-news-live-stream


  • #360
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Sand wrote: »
    Sure, all religious groups are crazy, but there is a risk ranking of which religious group is going to kill me for their god and Muslim extremists are at the top of it, there is a huge, huge, huge gap and then the rest start showing up.

    So are you part of the deport all Muslims brigade as well then Sand?


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  • #361
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    Sand wrote: »
    Ah please - do we really have to compare actual terrorists to historical and hypothetical terrorists for balance now?

    I can never understand this 'Sure all religions are the same' argument.

    No.They.Are.Not.

    How many Amish people have blown themselves up in crowd?
    How many Zoroastrian's have shot up a crowd?
    How many Quaker's have flown a plane into a skyscraper?

    Its used as some people who are so ideologically invested in the argument cannot under any circumstances admit or even contemplate that there is something unique within Islam that brings so much death and destruction to the Middle East and the West.

    An other example, look at the attack in Orlando last month. It wasn't an Islamic State attack, it was an attack by a homophobe or so the progressive right on response went. What ever they did they never mentioned the elephant in the room. The debate also centered around gun control and of course the Christian right got a good kicking as well. Islam, shhhhh cannot even mention it. Mention it and you are a terrible racist Islamaphobe.

    Lets keep the discussion real, look at the groups involved and the ideology they adhere to.


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