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Philip Cairns' Murder finally confirmed?

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  • #422
    intheclouds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭intheclouds


    mr_baynes wrote: »
    Was wondering the same myself. A pub in the area which is now closed always had a shady reputation but not necessarily for the reasons mentioned.

    Yes, very different reputation though and not one Id associate with child abuse.


  • #423
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    mr_baynes wrote: »
    Dice75 wrote: »
    As a local I would love to know which pub they are talking about...

    Was wondering the same myself. A pub in the area which is now closed always had a shady reputation but not necessarily for the reasons mentioned.

    Would that be the pub called c,,,,, ?


  • #424
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    Kamili wrote: »
    This despite the indo's 2002 strongly worded article by Jim Guerin stating that he had seen statements from people believing Philip to have been killed to hide the identity of a paedo ring.

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/philip-cairns-was-killed-to-protect-his-sex-abuser-26245411.html

    That article by Jim Guerin was stunning! How could he write all that if it were not true? The burial place is even mentioned. That poor father
    must have been extremely frustrated at the lack of action by the authorities. No effort was made to check if his son was buried in the grounds of the religious institution, even though it was mentioned as a possibility.

    And now we have Gerry O'Carroll, of Kerry Babies infamy, offering up his worthless tuppenceworth. Even though he was a detective in Dublin, who knew Eamonn Cooke, he claims that he never came under suspicion!! Was he not aware of the number of times the Gardai had to go into Cooke's premises to rescue young girls? Was he not aware that one of those girls had to be sent to England to be fostered in order to be kept out of his clutches? Some detective!! :(
    But, what can you expect of him when, after the disgraceful treatment of Joanne Hayes in the Kerry Babies' case, he still believes in his preposterous notion that she had twin babies by two different men!! I don't understand why he was continously called on to offer his opinion by various sections of the media for years afterwards. Thankfully, we dont hear too much from him now - 'The Sheriff', lol!

    Apologies for the rant, but when I read him state that that vile creature, Cooke, never raised the suspicions of the Gardai, when, from other reports, that was clearly not so, I just blew a gasket!! People like O'Carroll were enablers for the likes of Cooke when they carried out their heinous abuses of children.


  • #425
    Kamili
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Kamili


    brooke 2 wrote: »

    Apologies for the rant, but when I read him state that that vile creature, Cooke, never raised the suspicions of the Gardai, when, from other reports, that was clearly not so, I just blew a gasket!! People like O'Carroll were enablers for the likes of Cooke when they carried out their heinous abuses of children.

    I think suspicions were raised against Cooke in this case by two people and in other newspaper articles the gardai downright dismissed it!

    Below from an earlier post of mine in this thread
    Keane2baMused wrote: »
    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/i-hoped-every-day-for-months-philip-cairns-26420652.html

    Have a read.

    Late 2007 a former partner of a "suspected paedophile" came forward stating this paedophile (Cooke!) was responsible, and another ex-partner confirmed same.

    The gardai investigating however closed the book on it and said it was simply not true.

    Maybe if you want to blame someone other than Cooke, blame the authorities for not doing their job with the information at hand.

    This is utterly shocking, they denied it, yet now they have admitted its true
    The latest story, which emerged late last year, is that the former partner of a suspected paedophile has come forward to claim that the paedophile abducted and then murdered Philip. Her story was allegedly corroborated by another woman, who was also a former partner of the man in question.

    "I can absolutely confirm that that is not true," says Det Sgt Tom Doyle, who for the past 10 years has headed up the investigation into Philip's case. "That report was wildly inaccurate. We are still appealing for people to come forward, people who might be protecting someone, people who might have simply remembered something that they saw that day. There is, of course, the problem that it has been so long ago and people's memories become distorted -- which makes it more and more difficult."


  • #426
    Going Forward
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    Dolbert wrote: »
    The more I read about this case, the more I'm reminded about the disappearance of Mary Boyle and the apparent wall of protection around her killer. Her sister and others have gone to Gardaí naming the killer numerous times, but they refuse to investigate him.

    http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/states-first-reaction-sweep-dirt-8163111

    Failure to investigate is a recurring theme.

    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/death-of-senior-garda-linked-to-lost-abuse-files-26232819.html


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  • #427
    Going Forward
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    brooke 2 wrote: »
    That article by Jim Guerin was stunning! How could he write all that if it were not true? The burial place is even mentioned. That poor father
    must have been extremely frustrated at the lack of action by the authorities. No effort was made to check if his son was buried in the grounds of the religious institution, even though it was mentioned as a possibility.

    And now we have Gerry O'Carroll, of Kerry Babies infamy, offering up his worthless tuppenceworth. Even though he was a detective in Dublin, who knew Eamonn Cooke, he claims that he never came under suspicion!! Was he not aware of the number of times the Gardai had to go into Cooke's premises to rescue young girls? Was he not aware that one of those girls had to be sent to England to be fostered in order to be kept out of his clutches? Some detective!! :(
    But, what can you expect of him when, after the disgraceful treatment of Joanne Hayes in the Kerry Babies' case, he still believes in his preposterous notion that she had twin babies by two different men!! I don't understand why he was continously called on to offer his opinion by various sections of the media for years afterwards. Thankfully, we dont hear too much from him now - 'The Sheriff', lol!

    Apologies for the rant, but when I read him state that that vile creature, Cooke, never raised the suspicions of the Gardai, when, from other reports, that was clearly not so, I just blew a gasket!! People like O'Carroll were enablers for the likes of Cooke when they carried out their heinous abuses of children.

    You may bet Joe Duffy will have him on spouting the usual in the next couple of days.


  • #428
    Kamili
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Kamili


    This is even more shocking

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/predator-dj-eamon-cooke-was-a-weirdo-who-showed-up-to-crime-scenes-former-head-of-cold-case-unit-34795535.html
    Alan Bailey, a retired detective, said Cooke was known among Gardai at the time for his bizarre behaviour, which included him monitoring police radios and 999 calls to arrive at crime scenes before authorities....
    The investigation into Cooke's links to Philip Cairns, who disappeared in 1986, have resurfaced as police now suspect the former radio DJ of killing the schoolboy due to fresh evidence.
    "I had dealings with Eamon Cooke, my dealings went back as far as the mid '70s. At that stage, he known to Gardai. We heard about him that nine times out of 10 at a call in the city centre you’d find him already there in a Jaguar... he monitored 999 calls."

    "He was a weirdo," Bailey old Newstalk Breakfast.

    "He would ingratiate himself [into investigations], especially at scenes with a lot of violence."

    Bailey recalled a particular case of a double stabbing in the early ‘80s and remembers Cooke "standing beside one of the victims" when he arrived at the scene.

    Why the fup didn't the Gardai at the time do something about him showing up at random violent crimes?? What the actual!!!?

    oh and notice the use of the word resurfaced..


  • #429
    aphex™
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,337 ✭✭✭aphex™


    Says in the Star today (maybe in the rte podcast too) that Cooke buried a container 20 foot underground in one several plots of ground he owns. And it hasn't been searched yet.

    They're getting a list of property he owns to search. Mostly middle of nowhere plots of waste land.
    All of this should have been done 10+ years ago.


  • #430
    stoplooklisten
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    Kamili wrote: »
    T.....

    Why the fup didn't the Gardai at the time do something about him showing up at random violent crimes?? What the actual!!!?

    oh and notice the use of the word resurfaced..

    There's only one conclusion I can come,to


  • #431
    brooke 2
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    Kamili wrote: »
    I think suspicions were raised against Cooke in this case by two people and in other newspaper articles the gardai downright dismissed it!

    Below from an earlier post of mine in this thread



    This is utterly shocking, they denied it, yet now they have admitted its true

    It's unbelievable how the information given by his two ex-wives a few years ago was dismissed. The benign view might be that the male Gardai who might have dealt with them simply regarded them as 'disgruntled ex-partners' who were out to 'get him'.
    The worrying alternative is that 'friends in influential places' might have been trying to protect him.


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  • #432
    Going Forward
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    Kamili wrote: »
    This is even more shocking

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/predator-dj-eamon-cooke-was-a-weirdo-who-showed-up-to-crime-scenes-former-head-of-cold-case-unit-34795535.html



    Why the fup didn't the Gardai at the time do something about him showing up at random violent crimes?? What the actual!!!?

    oh and notice the use of the word resurfaced..

    We're going to be inundated with ex Dublin based Gardai reminiscing about the "weirdo" Cooke, but failing to explain their inability to even consider trying to put two and two together.

    They're not going to bring up that point themselves of course, but would have to be asked to explain it, by the media.

    Some chance of that.


  • #433
    brooke 2
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    Going Forward wrote: »
    You may bet Joe Duffy will have him on spouting the usual in the next couple of days.

    Would not surprise me!!

    O'Carroll on Joe Duffy now! :(:(


  • #434
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    There's only one conclusion I can come,to

    A deliberate cover up?

    But why?


  • #435
    mr_baynes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 ✭mr_baynes


    Going Forward wrote: »
    A deliberate cover up?

    But why?

    If there was an organised grouping of such people from all walks of life operating in the area as suggested by the daily mirror and Jim Guerin then its pretty clear why.


  • #436
    brooke 2
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    Kamili wrote: »
    This is even more shocking

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/predator-dj-eamon-cooke-was-a-weirdo-who-showed-up-to-crime-scenes-former-head-of-cold-case-unit-34795535.html



    Why the fup didn't the Gardai at the time do something about him showing up at random violent crimes?? What the actual!!!?

    oh and notice the use of the word resurfaced..

    It was very interesting in Angela Copley's interview with Marian Finucane when she
    was asked if Cooke's ex-wife, whom she was counselling, had ever heard him mention Philip Cairns. The girl replied that whenever Philip's picture appeared on the TV, Cooke would say that he used to go out searching for him. AC
    and Cooke's ex-wife laughed at the idea that he might have been trying to help.

    His ex-wife did not marry him until 1989, three years after Philip Cairns' disappearance. She had had a terrible life before she met him, including having been abused by the paedophile
    priest, Bill Carney, for whom she had a child.
    She met Cooke through Carney and married him very shortly after they met. She was only in her twenties while he was in his fifties.


  • #437
    brooke 2
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    Going Forward wrote: »
    Failure to investigate is a recurring theme.

    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/death-of-senior-garda-linked-to-lost-abuse-files-26232819.html

    A lot of shredding went on there also!


  • #438
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    joe duffy callers talking about it now...doubting the victims account


  • #439
    brooke 2
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    aphex™ wrote: »
    Says in the Star today (maybe in the rte podcast too) that Cooke buried a container 20 foot underground in one several plots of ground he owns. And it hasn't been searched yet.

    They're getting a list of property he owns to search. Mostly middle of nowhere plots of waste land.
    All of this should have been done 10+ years ago.

    Pity we didn't have a Maurice McCabe to shake up the system back then!


  • #440
    Amalgam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    ..all the hard boardsies wanting to wish harm on the woman coming forward, the, 'Stupid B1tch >:-(', was only 9 at the time..


  • #441
    brooke 2
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    Going Forward wrote: »
    A deliberate cover up?

    But why?

    Paedophile ring? Not a preposterous idea after
    all we have heard during the past few years


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  • #442
    Flippyfloppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    According to that old news report in the indo, it's been speculated that Phillip Cairns confided in a man that he was being abused. Unfortunately this plea for help signed his death warrant, this man abused boys too. I'm going to speculate the confidant was a Priest, teacher or Gardai, in that order.


  • #443
    Mam of 4
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    Amalgam wrote: »
    ..all the hard boardsies wanting to wish harm on the woman coming forward, the, 'Stupid B1tch >:-(', was only 9 at the time..

    In all honesty , I think maybe most people thought it was someone who was an adult at the time that had came forward . I know on first reading it never entered my head that maybe it was a child who had witnessed something , I just assumed , wrongly , that it was an adult who had kept this information to themselves until Cooke had died, which I thought personally was wrong.

    Only speaking for myself before anyone accuses me of speaking on how others thought.

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  • #444
    seamus
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    Kamili wrote: »
    Why the fup didn't the Gardai at the time do something about him showing up at random violent crimes?? What the actual!!!?
    Most likely Cooke was a friend of, or a friend of a friend of someone high-up in the Gardai who continually received complaints about Cooke but refused to do anything about it.

    Most likely this person is still alive, hence why there aren't Gardai coming forward to explain how they had been told to ignore Cooke's existence at the crime scenes.

    As others say, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Cooke was just one part of a larger paedophile ring involving Gardai, clergy and politicians, hence why Cairns's murder investigation was basically stonewalled.

    Phillip's own mother was demonised by the press at one point because she was devoutly Catholic. Some journalists were probably part of it too or at the very least were happy to take directions from some Gardai on things to say.


  • #445
    LorMal
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    Flippyfloppy wrote: »
    According to that old news report in the indo, it's been speculated that Phillip Cairns confided in a man that he was being abused. Unfortunately this plea for help signed his death warrant, this man abused boys too. I'm going to speculate the confidant was a Priest, teacher or Gardai, in that order.

    Jesus, if it's true that he was being abused, that's just heartbreaking. The poor poor child.
    The more I read about this case, the more angry I feel about the policing. How on earth did they allow Cooke to behave like he did for so long? I just don't understand this.


  • #446
    anewme
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    Mam of 4 wrote: »
    In all honesty , I think maybe most people thought it was someone who was an adult at the time that had came forward . I know on first reading it never entered my head that maybe it was a child who had witnessed something , I just assumed , wrongly , that it was an adult who had kept this information to themselves until Cooke had died, which I thought personally was wrong.

    Only speaking for myself before anyone accuses me of speaking on how others thought.

    I believe a lot of people got that impression and it is a very emotive topic.

    My first thoughts were that it was another child and more than likely another victim. I thought it was very obvious. I had a conversation with my Mum on Saturday and she did not cop it first that was more than likely another victim and a child, though it made sense to her once pointed out.

    It shows the amount of people prepared to judge someone on a headline. Despite the fact the Gardaí were praising the person's courage, people were still prepared to stick the knife in and jump to conclusions.
    Guilty until proven innocent.

    Read back the first few pages now in hindsight. They don't make good reading. Also, anyone who said, there could be more to this was rounded on as a bleeding heart liberal.

    Stupid B****
    if theres such a thing as hell, i hope he is there and hopefully she follows.
    Fck her in jail
    Disgusting excuse for a human being.
    Never has a thread title been so apt


    I also note that only a couple of posters actually returned to say they had jumped the gun and misread the situation, although I think a lot did.


  • #447
    Kamili
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Kamili


    seamus wrote: »
    Most likely Cooke was a friend of, or a friend of a friend of someone high-up in the Gardai who continually received complaints about Cooke but refused to do anything about it.

    Most likely this person is still alive, hence why there aren't Gardai coming forward to explain how they had been told to ignore Cooke's existence at the crime scenes.

    Phillip's own mother was demonised by the press at one point because she was devoutly Catholic. Some journalists were probably part of it too or at the very least were happy to take directions from some Gardai on things to say.

    I've come to the same conclusion.

    I remember the rumours in the area about the family carrying out satanic rituals in their attic and thats why Philip disappeared. Why would rumours like that be spread? and how sick minded do you have to be to spread them?
    makes you wonder who started them.. given the personality involved in latest allegations.


  • #448
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    LorMal wrote: »
    Jesus, if it's true that he was being abused, that's just heartbreaking. The poor poor child.
    The more I read about this case, the more angry I feel about the policing. How on earth did they allow Cooke to behave like he did for so long? I just don't understand this.

    Why do think they allowed it


  • #449
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Yeah, the first few pages were disgusting. At least since more information has been coming out, the thread has gradually cleaned up.And a few people have admitted they jumped the gun, which is fairly rare on the internet.

    As a note on the satanic rubbish, there was a bit of a satanist scare going on around that time. It seems to resurface every so often. The Cairns' were very unlucky to get caught in one of them. There are some rotten-minded people around.


  • #450
    Two Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Two Tone


    anewme wrote: »
    I believe a lot of people got that impression and it is a very emotive topic.

    My first thoughts were that it was another child and more than likely another victim. I thought it was very obvious. I had a conversation with my Mum on Saturday and she did not cop it first that was more than likely another victim and a child, though it made sense to her once pointed out.

    It shows the amount of people prepared to judge someone on a headline. Despite the fact the Gardaí were praising the person's courage, people were still prepared to stick the knife in and jump to conclusions.
    Guilty until proven innocent.

    Read back the first few pages now in hindsight. They don't make good reading. Also, anyone who said, there could be more to this was rounded on as a bleeding heart liberal.

    Stupid B****
    if theres such a thing as hell, i hope he is there and hopefully she follows.
    Fck her in jail
    Disgusting excuse for a human being.
    Never has a thread title been so apt


    I also note that only a couple of posters actually returned to say they had jumped the gun and misread the situation, although I think a lot did.
    I don't get why people jumped to that conclusion though. "Woman" today (and not even a very young woman) can still mean "child" nearly 30 years ago. I am younger than that woman is and I ain't a young un.

    The description alone by her made it appear that she could have been a victim.


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  • #451
    intheclouds
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    Two Tone wrote: »
    The description alone by her made it appear that she could have been a victim.

    Some people on this thread just wanted to see her punished and didnt care if she had been a victim or not.

    In short - some people are ignorant morons.


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