Great big bunch of coke heads!!

audge

:eek: I have a personal issue... seriously, it is my personal issue, but I cannot help pushing it onto everyone else, and to be honest, I don't know if I should stop pushing it onto everyone else.

Basically, I have a big problem with people taking drugs, coke in particular, I hate the way they act when they are on it and I hate being around them when they are on it.

Seriously, just to know that someone is doing it near me, or in my company, sickens me, I automatically get really annoyed, and more often then not, I end up lecturing everyone, upsetting myself, and everyone else, and either leaving the "party" to go somewhere else, or going home.

I just cannot keep quite about how I feel about it, I feel so strongly about it and get so angry and annoyed that I just cant keep my mouth shut and ignore it.

It seems like everyone is doing it, i am finished college now, and my grad night is next week, and I have already arranged an alternative celebration night out with some friends from home because I know if I head out with my class it will end in tears, loads of them are on the stuff, and don't think its any big deal.

I am not a kid, I am 23, and would like to consider myself somewhat world wise, but I just cant let this go... do I have to? Should I shut up because I might offend or bother those who use the stuff?

How sexy does someone think they are with white powder on the tip of their nose and blood running down their face from nose bleeds they don't even notice their having?

I don't mean to be a spoil sport. I enjoy a good time as much as the next person, I'll have a few drinks, and have been known to get fairly drunk on occassion, I am not trying to paint myself as a holy joe.... so I guess, what am asking is, if I feel so strongly about something, should I be expected to shut up and put up for the sake of the social circle????

Ag marbh

audge wrote:

:eek: I have a personal issue... seriously, it is my personal issue, but I cannot help pushing it onto everyone else, and to be honest, I don't know if I should stop pushing it onto everyone else.

Basically, I have a big problem with people taking drugs, coke in particular, I hate the way they act when they are on it and I hate being around them when they are on it.

Seriously, just to know that someone is doing it near me, or in my company, sickens me, I automatically get really annoyed, and more often then not, I end up lecturing everyone, upsetting myself, and everyone else, and either leaving the "party" to go somewhere else, or going home.

I just cannot keep quite about how I feel about it, I feel so strongly about it and get so angry and annoyed that I just cant keep my mouth shut and ignore it.

It seems like everyone is doing it, i am finished college now, and my grad night is next week, and I have already arranged an alternative celebration night out with some friends from home because I know if I head out with my class it will end in tears, loads of them are on the stuff, and don't think its any big deal.

I am not a kid, I am 23, and would like to consider myself somewhat world wise, but I just cant let this go... do I have to? Should I shut up because I might offend or bother those who use the stuff?

How sexy does someone think they are with white powder on the tip of their nose and blood running down their face from nose bleeds they don't even notice their having?

I don't mean to be a spoil sport. I enjoy a good time as much as the next person, I'll have a few drinks, and have been known to get fairly drunk on occassion, I am not trying to paint myself as a holy joe.... so I guess, what am asking is, if I feel so strongly about something, should I be expected to shut up and put up for the sake of the social circle????

It's none of your business what other people do. I think it's very silly to allow yourself to get annoyed to that extent over it. If I decided I wanted to take heroin and someone started getting in my ear over it I would give them a swift **** off.

Why do you hate it so much apart from how people act on it?

Zaph0d

Do you understand why you have this reaction to your friends' behaviour?

Are you worried for them?
Is it because you feel excluded?
Do you have lower group status or less control over your friends when they're on coke?
Are you angry because you're suppressing a subconscious urge to join them?

How do sober non-drinkers find your company when you're drunk?

dudara

Just an aside audge, but stick to regular font on this forum please. No bold type, no colours. It just makes it easier to read.

TBH, I don't hugely consider this to be a personal issue, but I'll leave it run for a while, to see what people's opinions are.

My personal opinion would be to leave these people to their own devices. What people want to put in their bodies is their own choice, and I wouldn't dream of interfering, unless in an addict-type situation. It's not something that you should be getting upset over.

20 Times 20 Times

Why is this a personal issue too you then ?
simple advice really dont like people your around doing drugs dont be around them. simple.

alfa147

who cares... if people wanna do it.. let them act like jerks...

ive done it, i wouldnt make it a habit here as its too expensive.

u'll turn out the fool if u start annoying people at ur grad. there just having a goodtime..

audge

Good questions..... its a mixture of things.... the way they act is a big one, and yes, i guess fear would be another one, because they are so unpredictible, and maybe fear because I am not familiar with how the body and mind reacts to coke, I have seen people become so aggressive to the point of attacking another person, its the repeat use, and the extent to which its used, these guys used it every day in college, during the exams and everything, so technically, I feel like I was never really talking to "them" if you know what I mean. I know people will mention recreational use, which I still do not agree with, but I don't think this is recreational use, this is a dependancy... for some of them anyway.

Miss Fluff

audge wrote:

:eek: Seriously, just to know that someone is doing it near me, or in my company, sickens me, I automatically get really annoyed, and more often then not, I end up lecturing everyone, upsetting myself, and everyone else, and either leaving the "party" to go somewhere else, or going home.B]

It really isn't acceptable to be preaching such blatant intolerance in such a public manner. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, thankfully we live in a land of comparatively free speech, but to end up LECTURING EVERYONE as you put it really isn't a good idea. Surely these people are adults? It's a life choice for some people, as is drinking/cross-dressing/paragliding/fill in blanks as appropriate. You may not agree with it, but if you're so anti-drugs why don't you do something constructive with your time like doing charity work for young addicts.

If you find it so intolerable, don't hand around with these people, end of.

Ag marbh

audge wrote:

Good questions..... its a mixture of things.... the way they act is a big one, and yes, i guess fear would be another one, because they are so unpredictible, and maybe fear because I am not familiar with how the body and mind reacts to coke, I have seen people become so aggressive to the point of attacking another person, its the repeat use, and the extent to which its used, these guys used it every day in college, during the exams and everything, so technically, I feel like I was never really talking to "them" if you know what I mean. I know people will mention recreational use, which I still not agree with, but I don't think this is recreational use, this is a dependancy... for some of them anyway.

I think you need to educate yourself more on the subject. I doubt they are using it everyday and if they are it must be full blown addiction. You should get onto people about alcohol consumption before coke because my experience tells me people tend to get a hell of alot more aggressive with alcohol but this is accepted just because it's a legal drug.

Leave them to do what they want. Most of the people I go out with take drugs and this isn't something that is worrying. Young people may aswell enjoy themselves before they get some serious responsibilities.

audge

Miss Fluff wrote:

constructive with your time like doing charity work for young addicts.

If you find it so intolerable, don't hand around with these people, end of.

I give talks in schools - charity work

I avoid these people at all costs, which is why I wont be around them at the grad. I thought Ihad made that point clear.

Miss Fluff

audge wrote:

I avoid these people at all costs, which is why I wont be around them at the grad. I thought Ihad made that point clear.

Well if you avoid them at all costs, what exactly is the issue here?

Ag marbh

audge wrote:

I give talks in schools - charity work

I avoid these people at all costs, which is why I wont be around them at the grad. I thought Ihad made that point clear.

Well then why do you feel such a need to post this? If you're already avoiding social situations because of people behaving quite normally then there really isn't an issue.

audge

Ag marbh wrote:

I think you need to educate yourself more on the subject. I doubt they are using it everyday and if they are it must be full blown addiction. .

I do need to educate myself more on the tpoic

and it was every day use, seriously, in our final year of college is was as though half the class grabbed hold of some substance or other as a crutch.... why did they need it? I didn't need it, half the class didn't need it, plenty of people don't need it, but these guys did need it, and because there was so many of them, it became acceptable and the thing to do!

spooiirt!!

If you dontlike what your friends do, change your friends. I know it sounds a little to simple, but it works.

audge

Ag marbh wrote:

Well then why do you feel such a need to post this? If you're already avoiding social situations because of people behaving quite normally then there really isn't an issue.

Because doing a load of coke is not behaving normally....
And I don't think I should have to avoid social situations because of their filthy habit. Half the class are addicts, but the other half are not, yet I won't be seeing the "normal" half on grad night because of the drug addicted half

Ag marbh

audge wrote:

I do need to educate myself more on the tpoic

and it was every day use, seriously, in our final year of college is was as though half the class grabbed hold of some substance or other as a crutch.... why did they need it? I didn't need it, half the class didn't need it, plenty of people don't need it, but these guys did need it, and because there was so many of them, it became acceptable and the thing to do!

Did you witness them use it every day? I honestly do not believe this because if someone was using cocaine everyday it would make them drop out of college and id love to know how they afforded it?

Some people choose not to use it and other's decide they would like to use it. It is an acceptable and perfectly normal thing for people to do these days.

dudara

OK. I'm closing this thread as I don't feel it's a PI anymore.

Further information on the effects of Coke can be requested in the Science forum. The merits of drug-taking is surely for humanities.

dudara

dudara

Thread is re-opened after a request from the OP. I didn't like the way it was originally going, but I'm willing to give it another go.

However, I don't want this turning into a discussion on the effects of coke on the body etc, stick to the original topic.

Audge, my opinion is that no one is making you miss your grad night except yourself.

Beruthiel

audge wrote:

should I be expected to shut up and put up for the sake of the social circle????[/B]

yes, I would think you should keep your mouth shut.
if it's your partner, brother, sister, then fair enough you are entitled to tell them how you feel.
However random strangers or mates, you have no right to tell them how to lead their lives.
I see many things all the time that I don't agree with, but it's none of my business and I would never get involved unless asked.
Ignore it, move away from it, but quit being a bore.

Canis Lupus

If this is reopened I'd just like to state to the OP that alcohol is just a more socially acceptable DRUG than coke.

I have a friend who doesn't drink or do drugs, never has or ever will I reckon. He hates both but is more than willing to come out me and my friends and have a great night with us especially as the morning after he can make up whatever stories he likes about us.

Basically you need to get off your high horse (I'm turning into my mother with that phrase) and go to the party or just shut up about it and not go. As Dudara says the only person making you miss your grad night is you.

What makes you think you are allowed to use the drug of your choice when you go out but others can't choose theirs?

audge

Thanks, had a think about it last night though, and after grad I never have to see these people again. I am still gonna skip celebrating with my class, cos I will only graduate with my degree once and I may as well enjoy the evening and avoid rows at all costs.
I have come to terms with the fact that I don't like the stuff and the effect it has on people, I never will, and I am not prepared to shut up and put up when I am out, so I guess I am very lucky that my close friends do not, nor have ever, used the stuff, and they never will.

WhiteWashMan

Miss Fluff wrote:

It really isn't acceptable to be preaching such blatant intolerance in such a public manner. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, thankfully we live in a land of comparatively free speech,.

does this not strike you as a little more than ironic?

anyhoo, id be of the opinion that if you are dead set against drugs, you find them intolerable, and the people that take them intolerable, then you have 2 real choices.
a) avoid these situations and people
b) you can enter into a discussion with these people.

point a is probably your best bet
point be will lead you into an adult conversation and debate at best. will lead to ridicule and being chastized at worse.

although, i do think you need to mature enough to the point where the things that other people do thing, which may annoy you mightily, you let go off simply because its not really your business, and there is little you can do.

old_lady

WhiteWashMan wrote:

does this not strike you as a little more than ironic?

anyhoo, id be of the opinion that if you are dead set against drugs, you find them intolerable, and the people that take them intolerable, then you have 2 real choices.
a) avoid these situations and people
b) you can enter into a discussion with these people.

point a is probably your best bet
point be will lead you into an adult conversation and debate at best. will lead to ridicule and being chastized at worse.

although, i do think you need to mature enough to the point where the things that other people do thing, which may annoy you mightily, you let go off simply because its not really your business, and there is little you can do.

You are totally right, I agree with you

nobodythere

I for one respect your stance on this, but they're right, you should be able to let it go. I know if this was happening to the same extent in Galway I'd be so pissed off. Does it ruin your night because of the way they act or is it just the fact that they're doing it in the first place?

For someone who gives talks in schools on this you don't actually sound very well educated about the effects of Coke. I used to believe that Coke and Heroin were pretty much hand in hand, and society has grown you up with such an enourmous stigma on drugs. You're gonna have to find new friends, they're obviously not your type of people.

And if you do want non-personal reasons against coke, try the fact that most of the money goes back to criminal organisations and shady bastards alike. Though the same is true for marijuana so let he who has not sinned ...

audge

Its not just coke I am against, that just happens to be the most wide spread one of the moment.
Seriously, I am agreeing with you on this.
These people are not my friends, and it is possible for me to avaoid these situations.
At the time of post I was very worked up about grad plans, and you know when you have a problem, it can sometimes look as though there is no light at the end of the tunnell, but I have had time to think about it, and your all right, its not my problem, they are not my friends and I should give a flying fcuk what they do.
I still think that we all need to be better educated as to the effects of such drugs, and possible addictions. If the use of coke is going to continue to grow at its current rate, then maybe a "JUST SAY NO" campaign is not enough, perhaps an "INFORMATION" campaign is best.

If people knew they where shoving a deadly mix of rat poison, cement mix, etc up their noses, maybe they wouldn't be so in love with the drug.

dahooligan

I suppose that when alchohol was first invented this discussion was had by many a group - people didn't like the way others reacted to it etc. So now we are here today with the worst coke problem in europe. I think what audge is saying is that its kinda mad how quickly it has become an epidemic, and how people are reacting to it. I work as a doorman at several different high profile places around town and it has just become unbelievable. Last weekend I "escorted" 23 people out of 1 pub because they insisted on using the sink top as something other than a place to rest one's handbag... how is this glamorous?! How is it cool for 3 guys to be huddled around a cubicle at half 1 in the morning?!

I think the point is that 'yeah, grand, let everyone do what they want and sure we'll all be happy as larry'. - that just isn't gonna work. I never considered myself to be anti-drug until I worked security at a dance event and ended up carrying 4 16year old to ambulances cos of OD situations. I'm not saying that coke and E are the same but they are both illegal and they are both taken to excessive levels in this country.

I don't like being around people on coke because it does change em, and I do know that alcohol changes people too! But maybe its cos I've grown up in a pub environment that alcohol intake is acceptable to me - when it is taken responsibly that is, no one likes a messy drunk person! It is hard to say just dont associate with people who do it, cos what if like Audge its gonna end up with you not talkin to half the class. I dont think its her that has the problem, I think the problem is the fact that most of todays society appears to have just decided to either take coke themselves, or sweep under the carpet what a problem it is.

Don't think that just because it seems to have become acceptable doesn't mean its right, or cool. I'm sick of the whole situation!

WhiteWashMan

audge wrote:

Its not just coke I am against, that just happens to be the most wide spread one of the moment.
Seriously, I am agreeing with you on this.
These people are not my friends, and it is possible for me to avaoid these situations.
At the time of post I was very worked up about grad plans, and you know when you have a problem, it can sometimes look as though there is no light at the end of the tunnell, but I have had time to think about it, and your all right, its not my problem, they are not my friends and I should give a flying fcuk what they do.
I still think that we all need to be better educated as to the effects of such drugs, and possible addictions. If the use of coke is going to continue to grow at its current rate, then maybe a "JUST SAY NO" campaign is not enough, perhaps an "INFORMATION" campaign is best.

If people knew they where shoving a deadly mix of rat poison, cement mix, etc up their noses, maybe they wouldn't be so in love with the drug.

oh, dont get me wrong, i agree with you. i think its idiocy. and id say that to anyone i saw shoving stuff up their nose and into their veins.
and yes, it does annoy me.

but you know what, im more important than them. hey, call me selfish, but these days, i worry about me and my family. thats my priority.

im all for more education, but i think at 22-23, most people are aware of the risks, and even if they are not, and were to find out, i dont think people would listen. hell, cigarettes kill, but a third of the population still do it. in fact, cigarette revenue has gone up 7% in ireland since the smoking ban came into play.

im curious as to what the real driver is behind your need to educate people is.
its one thing to have an opinion as i do, its entirely another thing to write a rant in bold!

to find an answer, you need to a have a clear question. to me at the moment, your question is unclear.
what really is the issue?

Brother A

I think the OP (audge) is damn right to get annoyed about this.

Since when did doing hard drugs become acceptable?
His reaction is not silly at all. Doing cocaine is not right, its addictive and dangerous, and significantly more so than Alcohol. It damages the person and the people around them, especially if they get hooked.

The strange thing is, although many people would aggree that Cocaine is a highly dangerous drug, not many here have said straight out that its simply not right. Rather, the overwhelming consensus in the thread so far seems to be that people should do what they want / mind your own business etc etc.

To my mind, there's something wrong with that attitude.
To be preaching/lecturing to people etc. about the downside of serious drugs would I'm sure be annoying to drug addicts at a party, BUT rather than the OP having to leave due to annoying drug takers, should the general consensus not be that these drug takers should leave because what they're doing is just wrong ???

Canis Lupus

Brother A wrote:

I think the OP (audge) is damn right to get annoyed about this.

Since when did doing hard drugs become acceptable?
His reaction is not silly at all. Doing cocaine is not right, its addictive and dangerous, and significantly more so than Alcohol. It damages the person and the people around them, especially if they get hooked.

The strange thing is, although many people would aggree that Cocaine is a highly dangerous drug, not many here have said straight out that its simply not right. Rather, the overwhelming consensus in the thread so far seems to be that people should do what they want / mind your own business etc etc.

To my mind, there's something wrong with that attitude.
To be preaching/lecturing to people etc. about the downside of serious drugs would I'm sure be annoying to drug addicts at a party, BUT rather than the OP having to leave due to annoying drug takers, should the general consensus not be that these drug takers should leave because what they're doing is just wrong ???

How is taking cocaine wrong?

WhiteWashMan

Canis Lupus wrote:

How is taking cocaine wrong?

well, its a illegal for a start.

Sifo

All these friends of yours can and will do whatever they like... You don't like cocaine and thats fine but your friends do and I'm pretty sure they have a clue to what the side-effects/risks are!!


I may be speaking for the majority when i say you don't exactly seem open minded and im guessing they may feel more comfortable on their night out without you wagging your finger at them!!