How do you feel about T-Girls?

Rozie

This isn't looking to pick anyone up, more of a chances assessment.

I'm interested as to who here would actually date a transsexual, and what kinds of people you tihnk would date one esp. a pre-op one.

The way I look at it is -

Straight Guys - No way! Born as a man.
Lesbians - Ditto.
Bisexuals - Can't decide on which gender to like them as.

Be honest, would anyone here actually go out with a trannie? I can't imagine anyone doing so and it's really getting me down lately.

Hmm_Messiah

Fact: There are people who go out with/have relationships with transexuals , pre-op and post.

However Rozie, this post seems similar to others and to me suggests you are still looking for a kind of help and support that this forum could not provide.

Regarding anything "getting you down" I'd hope you've sought the professional help/ support groups recommended on other occasions

Boston

I don't think I would date a transexual.

Rozie

LiouVille wrote:

I don't think I would date a transexual.

Not to bug you or anything, but a "Why not" would help a little.

FranknFurter

Rozie,
To be 100% honest with you, the path you have mentioned before that you are on, at the point you have said previously you are at, this concern is somthing you need to discuss with a profesional counsellor in a professional enviroment. IMHO

And Rozie, there are people out there who will love you for *who* you are, not your dick or lack therof, so try not to fret too much on that score.

b

Boston

Rozie wrote:

Not to bug you or anything, but a "Why not" would help a little.

Personal preference, I'm not attracted to androgeny (sp?). There's always the possibility I will meet someone and fall for them, but I don't see it happening. I don't agree with what if questions either. It's hardly like I've a stead fast rule. People can be as open and accepting as you like, when it comes to who they open there hearts to you can't question their choices.

Rozie

I'm not an androgyne, I identify as female.

Boston

So you pass for female completely? I though you said Pre Op. Dressing, feeling, and acting female while having male parts is androgenous to me.

Look at it this way, Straight people can be completely accepting of homosexuals, without wanting to be with them, no? So why is this different.

rsynnott

I'm honestly not sure if I'd date a transsexual. Post-op (M->F) not a chance. Bit of a moot point, really, though, since they'd hardly date me

Boston

I'm reminded of this thread i started some time back, and the arguements in it. I don't know any transexual people, personally or in passing, so really I can't comment on whether i would or wouldn't be with one. While I completely accept that some people are transgendered, I'm just don't think i'm comfortable enough with it, to date one. That said, I used to have the same feelings many years ago about LGB people before I got to know some.

Rozie

LiouVille wrote:

Look at it this way, Straight people can be completely accepting of homosexuals, without wanting to be with them, no? So why is this different.

Because if that logic holds globally, it means only Trans go out with trans.

Sadly, this is very often the case. People pride themselves so much on how they have a *right* not to like transsexuals and all that, and we're left out in the cold, rejected by the rest of the LGB crowd as well as the straight ones...

It's pretty lonely alright. Acceptance is at most half the battle if nobody really wants to go near us.

jcoote

rozie u need to become comfortable with who u are big time..you seem to be really struggling and my heart goes out to u it a ****ty situation your in...i wouldn't date a transexual...u nailed the reason why because they are men but i'm sure tons of people would...if the transexual person was comfortable wit who they were and was a good partner!

Boston

You really believe the reason people won't go out with transexuals is because they dislike them? I think you're pushing it tbh. I don't dislike transexuals at all. I don't like the undertone of all this, i.e. unless your willing to be with a TS you're against them.

As for rights, of course people have a right to dislike you. Same way they have a right to dislike anything they want. doesn't mean you have to agree with them.

Rozie

u nailed the reason why because they are men

I'm not a man

i'm sure tons of people would...if the transexual person was comfortable wit who they were and was a good partner!

I've never once been out with anyone, and out of all the people on the Irish trans mailing list, they either had a partner before hand, or were out with another T-Girl. Maybe in other countries, but Ireland is about as openminded as Albert from Steptoe and Son and people like me suffer as a result of the kind of people that just say "Quit your whinin'".

Rozie

LiouVille wrote:

You really believe the reason people won't go out with transexuals is because they dislike them? I think you're pushing it tbh. I don't dislike transexuals at all. I don't like the undertone of all this, i.e. unless your willing to be with a TS you're against them.

As for rights, of course people have a right to dislike you. Same way they have a right to dislike anything they want. doesn't mean you have to agree with them.

Looking at it stastically that a lot of people say they accept transsexuals, but very, very, very few will go out with them, it's obvious for many it's not a question of taste but of being accepted - but not all the way.

If a T Girl looks and acts like a normal girl which only a few minor flaws, what difference does it make? Does background make a good argument for not liking someone now?

And all this "Oh people can dislike this and it's their right" and all that is all well and good for everyone else as it doesn't affect them, what about me?

jcoote

i don't think your appearence has anything to do with your lack of success i think u are too afraid of yourself to allow yourself to be open with another person

Boston

Rozie wrote:

Ireland is about as openminded as Albert from Steptoe and Son and people like me suffer as a result of the kind of people that just say "Quit your whinin'".

You're looking for people to be extremely open minded and free spirited, and then criticising them when their not. You're asking allot of people, allot more then i really think you have a right to. You're asking for a level of acceptance that LGB people tend to only get from other LGB people.

Right, Straight guy; You have a male body, he is not sexually aroused by a male body, how can he be with someone he's not sexually attracted to?

Same for a lesbian;

As for Bisexual's; I don't think you understand what that means, and are confusing it with some form of pansexuality.

Boston

Rozie wrote:

Looking at it stastically that a lot of people say they accept transsexuals, but very, very, very few will go out with them, it's obvious for many it's not a question of taste but of being accepted - but not all the way.

If a T Girl looks and acts like a normal girl which only a few minor flaws, what difference does it make? Does background make a good argument for not liking someone now?

I can accept you and the life you live, without accepting you into my bed. When those minor flaws you speak of would include having a penis then there is a problem. Also most M - F, cannot pass for female pre op. I don't get you're background comment, where talking pre op here, and try as hard as you want, it's still going to be relavent to your current situations.

And all this "Oh people can dislike this and it's their right" and all that is all well and good for everyone else as it doesn't affect them, what about me?

What about yea? you're not the only one, or only minority people dislike.

Rozie

You're looking for people to be extremely open minded and free spirited, and then criticising them when their not. You're asking allot of people, allot more then i really think you have a right to. You're asking for a level of acceptance that LGB people tend to only get from other LGB people.

Yeah, you're right. It's far too much to be asked to be loved.

Right, Straight guy; You have a male body, he is not sexually aroused by a male body, how can he be with someone he's not sexually attracted to?

Same for a lesbian;

And what about a few years down the line when I *don't* have a male body? And why do people only care about sex..? What ever happened to loving the person inside?
Why is there nobody that's open minded to it in the first place?

As for Bisexual's; I don't think you understand what that means, and are confusing it with some form of pansexuality.

What are you talking about..?

I can accept you and the life you live, without accepting you into my bed. When those minor flaws you speak of would include having a penis then there is a problem. Also most M - F, cannot pass for female pre op. I don't get you're background comment, where talking pre op here, and try as hard as you want, it's still going to be relavent to your current situations.

Male to female trans can pass if they put in the effort. Genitals make no difference anyway to your general appearance. SRS has nothing to do with passing. Passing is to do either with hormonal treatment reshaping the body and changing the skin texture on your face or general presentation. I have to go purely on presentation right now, but it's only a matter of months before I'm on HRT(hopefully).

I don't know, "I can accept you and the life you live, without accepting you into my bed." reeks far too much of how people felt about racial minorities not so long ago.

What about yea? you're not the only one, or only minority people dislike.

Saying that doesn't solve anything. We're still very much at the butt end of things compared to how LGB people are treated today.

You can go into a Lesbian/Gay bar and find someone or pick them up, because at the end of the day you're still *normal* to one another. There's tons of people who declare themselves bisexual but wouldn't think about going out with a trans, which *is* most definitely an issue of being open minded in many cases.

I know almost no trans people who went out with lesbian/bi/straight after transition. What ever rights you say people have to dislike this and that, this isn't fair on us. There's no way in hell it's purely down to taste. A lot of the time, people are too scared with the opinions of others when they go out with a trans, especially parents; write them off as "icky" without giving them a chance(Though obviously on the surface they claim to accept them); don't really accept them as their current gender because of how they knew them before/what they "believe" gender is(i.e. a half assed opinion formed on the spot as an excuse).

Considerring the nature of transsexuality and society in general I very much doubt that there isn't at least a sizable amount of people like that.

You're going too far in to taking this on an individual case, you have to look at it as a whole before you see a trend develop.

Boston

Rozie wrote:

Yeah, you're right. It's far too much to be asked to be loved.

When thats the level of acceptance you demand from people, then yes. People can't suddenly flip some switch and be capable of that.

And what about a few years down the line when I *don't* have a male body? And why do people only care about sex..? What ever happened to loving the person inside?
Why is there nobody that's open minded to it in the first place?

Sex is important is any non-pultonic relationship. Of course people can love the person inside, and see pass boundaries such as male/female and straight/gay, nobody denied they couldn't, but for the love of christ thats allot to expect from the general population, from the casual aquanance or a stranger.

I don't know, "I can accept you and the life you live, without accepting you into my bed." reeks far too much of how people felt about racial minorities not so long ago.

You belittle what it means to be with someone. People can't control who they are attracted to. Some people arn't attracted to blacks/indians/asians, the racists bastards.

Saying that doesn't solve anything. We're still very much at the butt end of things compared to how LGB people are treated today.

All LGB people seek is people not to give a fuk about who they are, and treat them like they would anyone else. You want people to embrace you and love you. You want allot more then most LGB people.

here's tons of people who declare themselves bisexual but wouldn't think about going out with a trans, which *is* most definitely an issue of being open minded in many cases.

Sorry want? Do you think bi-sexual grand, likes women, likes men, heres both rolled into the one package? It doesn't work like that for most Bi-sexuals.

I know almost no trans people who went out with lesbian/bi/straight after transition. What ever rights you say people have to dislike this and that, this isn't fair on us. There's no way in hell it's purely down to taste.

Depends on your definitions of open minded, and taste. I'm not comfortable with using drugs, of any kinda, yet i'd happily sit in a rooms where people are triping out. How open minded am I, or is that a taste issue. Allot of people are just not comfortable with going out with TS, thats their personal choice and they have every right to make it. Allot of people would not go out with Bisexuals thats their personal choice and they have every right to make it also.

Rozie

Allot of people are just not comfortable with going out with TS, thats their personal choice and they have every right to make it.

Good for them, and good for you. If it's their personal choice, it makes everything a trans person goes through alone a-okay.

I'll just sit here while you and others enjoy their lives not giving a ****.

People ARE closed minded and I absolutely refuse to believe that there is almost nobody out there for trans people. Human beings, as usual, are being ignorant, arrogant, selfish, and above all, afraid. But they're not neccessarily bad people for doing so, they just act like that because they believe it's acceptable to be, because it's acceptable for people to be "Icky" in the first place.

People don't control who they're attracted to, but they can pretend. And they do.

And you're perfectly fine with the fact that as a result there's a huge chance I'll live my entire life alone, as it's high enough with "normal" people, how do you think it feels to have a kiddy pool of choice?

Boston

I'm going to get flamed here, maybe rightly so, for being so blunt, but how is you being alone my fault or my problem. It probably makes perfect sense to you. I "probably" wouldn't date a TS girl, therefore I'm the reason you don't have a date. And not having a partner is ruining your life somehow. Theres a current thread in PI about a 30 year old vigin, I feel for you as much as you feel for him, in that regard. When it comes to who people want to be intimate with, share their heart and soul with, the good times and the bad times and grow old with, they can have whatever criteria they want. Would you rather someone pretend to want you? Your posts would seem to suggest you would. I've come on here and been honest with you. I not read a single thing by you which would make me re-considered dating a TS girl.

rsynnott

Rozie wrote:

People don't control who they're attracted to, but they can pretend. And they do.

What? No they don't.

If it makes you feel any better, as an ugly gay male I'm in a vaguely similar situation. :rolleyes:

There are people out there for you; don't worry. Takes time to find somebody.

Rozie

LiouVille wrote:

I'm going to get flamed here, maybe rightly so, for being so blunt, but how is you being alone my fault or my problem. It probably makes perfect sense to you. I "probably" wouldn't date a TS girl, therefore I'm the reason you don't have a date. And not having a partner is ruining your life somehow. Theres a current thread in PI about a 30 year old vigin, I feel for you as much as you feel for him, in that regard. When it comes to who people want to be intimate with, share their heart and soul with, the good times and the bad times and grow old with, they can have whatever criteria they want. Would you rather someone pretend to want you? Your posts would seem to suggest you would. I've come on here and been honest with you. I not read a single thing by you which would make me re-considered dating a TS girl.

I'm saying that whatever is causing you, or other people with similiar "views" to you is generally a lack of knowledge or experience of what transsexuals are really like, and it is not down purely to people "Not being attracted" to that sort of thing.
A few years ago - we had very few bisexuals. Now, we have loads. Heck, half the girls I know are Bi.

Now, I think that it's actually muchly our fault for doing so little about it. Many TS people mock and reject those who actually do anything as they dont' want to be seen as coming on too strong. But it's still annoying, it's still frustrating.

What? No they don't.

Proof?

I can prove mine easily, if you're gay, have you ever had to cover it up? Same concept. You didn't want to be seen as "Odd", and the TS thing is just an extension of that. Again, the point with bisexuals i made earlier... or even homosexuals. Or indeed, transsexuals. It wasn't that they weren't there, it was just that they hadn't come out of the woodwork, so to speak.

rsynnott

Rozie wrote:

A few years ago - we had very few bisexuals. Now, we have loads. Heck, half the girls I know are Bi.

No, we had the same number. They just weren't admitting it.

Proof?

He who makes extraordinary claims must provide extraordinary evidence.

I can prove mine easily, if you're gay, have you ever had to cover it up?

No.

Same concept. You didn't want to be seen as "Odd",

I'm quite happy to be seen as "Odd", thank you so very much.

Boston

Rozie wrote:

I'm saying that whatever is causing you, or other people with similiar "views" to you is generally a lack of knowledge or experience of what transsexuals are really like, and it is not down purely to people "Not being attracted" to that sort of thing.
A few years ago - we had very few bisexuals. Now, we have loads. Heck, half the girls I know are Bi.

Now, I think that it's actually muchly our fault for doing so little about it. Many TS people mock and reject those who actually do anything as they dont' want to be seen as coming on too strong. But it's still annoying, it's still frustrating.

If I had come in here and said I didn't want to be with a TS girl cause you're all mentally unstable, or you don't know what gender you are, or a dozen other ignorant prejudices, you would have a very valid point. However I said it's because I'm not attracted to androgyny, which despite all you're claims is inherent in pre-op TS. That's the Key thing. You may act, talk, walk, and feel like a woman, but you do have male organs. That blurs the line between male and female too much for me, and would make me uncomfortable to me in a relationship.

Is it possible I'll meet someone and be able to see pass that? Absolutely, anything is possible, and that is being open minded. About as open minded as anyone can be. A willingness to accept the mere possibility that you're current view point on things may chance, under the right circumstances.

Nevyn

There is no such thing as normal; esp if youa re looking for some one to love
and live with and settle down and grow old with.
Everyone has baggage and scars of many differnt types.
But I would rather be alone then be less of who I am.

You have to be comfotible in yourself to accpet all your quirks, wants , needs
and desires so that no one else can make you feel like a freak.
This goes for anyone who's so called sexuality strays out side of the
susposed 'Norm' that is vanilla.

You have to accept and love yourself before you will find it in others.
It is a hard long road for a lot of people.
You can't change what other people think or feel or them being judgemental.
No ammount of arguing, begging, pleading, cajoling or demanding will make it so.

If we are lucky we find people who we are be with on all levels and not
just the physical ones. That way lies happiness not being able to and sleeping with a whole bunch of people.

BuffyBot

Good for them, and good for you. If it's their personal choice, it makes everything a trans person goes through alone a-okay.

I'll just sit here while you and others enjoy their lives not giving a ****.

Maybe it's just me, and maybe I'm just really cynical, but this thread seems like some kind of validation request on your behalf.

You certainly seem to be reading way to much into other peoples preferences, that seems for sure.

Hmm_Messiah

I agree with buffybot
but then I think some of us felt that in others of Rozie's threads
Like I said before I think what Rozie needs won't be found here, and after a while we are just "feeding" something unhealthy

btw is there a thread where rsynnott doesn't mention being the "too ugly gay guy" ?

At least |I guess it resonates with what I see as the actual essence of this thread

Annasopra

btw is there a thread where rsynnott doesn't mention being the "too ugly gay guy" ?

NO

Anyway back to the topic - I do suspect that a lot of Rozies are looking for validation and yes people are right to point that out to her but I wouldn't like to see Rozie being discouraged from posting here

Rozie you say

I absolutely refuse to believe that there is almost nobody out there for trans people.

Yet almost everything else you say demonstrates that you think the opposite

rsynnott

Johnnymcg wrote:

NO

Certainly there are; I REFUSE to post on sports or game boards.

Anyway, Rozie, I really think you're approaching this from the wrong angle. You seem to be basing your responses mostly on Lioville's orginal response, which was perfectly reasonable in that it was his opinion. No-one is going to pretend that they're attracted to someone they're not attracted to for political correctness reasons. But where you're going wrong is that there are lots of people, transgender/sexual and not, who go out with thansgendered people. I know a girl who used to go out with a F->M transexual, for instance. As a percentage of the population they will be fairly low, and that is partly predjudice. But for instance I might well go out with a pre-op M->F transsexual; everyone's different.

Don't worry about it; there are people out there for you.

Stark

I know a lesbian girl from cork who was going out with a pre-op M->F transsexual for a while.

PhantomBeaker

To be honest, it happens when it happens.

As others have said you can't plan these things. Besides, (a friend and I were chatting about this a while ago) whenever anyone says that they do like trans people and aren't trans themselves we accuse them of being tranny-chasers, or some other less polite variant. And if there's one thing that trans people seem to avoid like the plague, it's tranny chasers - whether we call them that rightly or wrongly.

Can you say "shooting yourself in the foot"? :P (Not that there aren't people/tranny-chasers who you should avoid... but there are others we just tar with a certain brush that doesn't always work).

Interesting thought, innit?

Aoife

PhantomBeaker

Anyway, my own thoughts on whether I'd date a trans person again... I guess it's down to how comfortable they are in themselves.

If they aren't comfortable, or still getting used to life, dear god can it be a pain! I know I was... and trying to support someone through that is a nightmare. I'd like to think I'm marginally saner these days. But yeah, trying to reassure a trans person that yes you do HONESTLY find them attractive or that YES you really do like them and are not just doing it for their benefit.

It's quite the head-job. I can't say I'd blame anyone not wanting to get involved.

But then, attraction ain't always predictable. That's half the fun

Take care,
Aoife
(Who has her own issues as far as relationships go :P )

Rozie

Yet almost everything else you say demonstrates that you think the opposite

No, I think there are people, who are unfortunately very ignorant of transsexuality as a whole and what it would be like to be with one.

Anyway, Rozie, I really think you're approaching this from the wrong angle. You seem to be basing your responses mostly on Lioville's orginal response, which was perfectly reasonable in that it was his opinion. No-one is going to pretend that they're attracted to someone they're not attracted to for political correctness reasons.

THat's not what I'm claiming. I'm claiming that the exact *opposite* happens, that people don't want to be with a tranny because they've been told they're "icky". I've seen it happen, and looking at the sheer tiny numbers of people who would date TS, there must be a reasonable amount of people like that.

Otherwise, why is it that there are actually many transsexuals who keep their wives after transition, yet so few approach them afterwards? There is a huge contradiction there that people are shying away from.

Simply put, it's because they love them too much to abandon them because of their bodies, or their love encourages them to be open minded, despite them previously identifying as "straight" when I'm mainly criticising bisexuals. If everyone was more open minded about transsexuality, there would be a much larger "dating pool".

The Pre Op "Sexual attraction" argument doesn't hold because it's shallow that the person won't fall in *love* with the person and just wait a damn couple of years for them to get the Op, and the Post Op argument doesn't hold because a Post Op Woman is physically or mentally no different from the average woman, just with a different background, and some minor(usually these days as people start earlier) butch features(which a lot of lesbians like anyway...). So it really comes down to being silly, or judging based on minor appearance aspects.

Of course, if people were to believe trannies were all ugly and icky because Comedian X told them so, it would change their view.

And I was even being far using bisexuals rather than straight out straight guys or lesbians.

Rev Hellfire

I suppose ultimately people must be true to themselves, but I can’t help but feel in your in case you’re damned if you do and damn don’t. While the majority of posters on this board are a fairly broadminded and accepting lot I suspect the population is more like me, given to some homophonic tendencies but on the whole try to be accepting. But I can’t help but feel that a transsexual if not open right from the start (assuming they can pass as a women) would be seen as a deceit, the majority of men ( and the few women I spoken to on this topic) do not see a transsexual ( no matter how convincing ) as a woman, but this may be just the circles I frequent but I suspect this not the case. I’m curious though does the gay community as a whole accept the gender realignment.

I cann't help but feel you've come looking for answers you know you'll not get.

Rozie

the majority of men ( and the few women I spoken to on this topic) do not see a transsexual ( no matter how convincing ) as a woman

That really needs to change. It's not fair on us, and it's no skin off the "majorities" back just to be courteous to us once in a while.

You've no idea how ****ty it is that people basically refuse to see you as anything like yourself, and some of them are damn proud of it too, thinking they're protecting gender with their sacred bull**** morals

fortysixand2

Rozie wrote:

You've no idea how ****ty it is that people basically refuse to see you as anything like yourself, and some of them are damn proud of it too, thinking they're protecting gender with their sacred bull**** morals

I'd like to put in a point here about keeping a bit of perspective and how offensive it is to place your troubles so much higher than everyone else's when all you need to do is stop self-analysing, relax and make some friends; but given Rozie's blanket habit all over boards of taking friendly advice and somehow finding offence in it, I doubt it'll get through.

Rozie

fortysixand2 wrote:

I'd like to put in a point here about keeping a bit of perspective and how offensive it is to place your troubles so much higher than everyone else's when all you need to do is stop self-analysing, relax and make some friends; but given Rozie's blanket habit all over boards of taking friendly advice and somehow finding offence in it, I doubt it'll get through.

I don't know how hard I have it relative to other people, but transsexuality in specific is without a doubt more difficult than typical LGB matters as a whole.

fortysixand2

That's fine Rozie, I'm not going to deny that. But the point is YOU'RE DOING NOTHING TO TRY AND DEAL WITH IT. You come onto boards and post in the LGB boards or UL or wherever else and all you do is complain, self-analyse to no end, insult people and take unnecessary offence at other people daring to hold a different opinion to yours.

Rozie

I don't like when people say things like "take unnecessary offence at other people daring to hold a different opinion to yours.", I don't take offense at them because they're opinions, but because of how they affect me.

And what do you want me to do? I have next to no support, friends, anything.

fortysixand2

Once again you're missing the point of what's being said to you. If you stopped worrying so much about how these opinions affect you (when in reality if you took a bit of control of your own life and said "**** em" the effect would be almost nil) and just RELAXED and MADE some friends (NOT in terms of being a transexual, but in terms of being a HUMAN) then you'd have a MUCH easier time of things.

Rozie

(when in reality if you took a bit of control of your own life and said "**** em" the effect would be almost nil)

This is a complete and utter fallacy as there are some people who don't even approach me anymore because of transsexuality, no matter how I act.

The whole "Screw you I'm me" thing doesn't work very well when you have such an enormous social stigma, and doesn't really solve any problems in the long run, either.

fortysixand2

Did you even bother to read the sentence properly?

**** em means forget the ones who won't approach you. They're not worth it. Stop worrying so much about what people think of you and start focusing on what YOU think of you.

The whole "Screw you I'm me" thing doesn't work very well when you have such an enormous social stigma, and doesn't really solve any problems in the long run, either.

I take it you haven't bothered to try it then.

Rozie

fortysixand2 wrote:

Did you even bother to read the sentence properly?

**** em means forget the ones who won't approach you. They're not worth it. Stop worrying so much about what people think of you and start focusing on what YOU think of you.


I take it you haven't bothered to try it then.

How do you think I ended up with no friends in the first place...?

damien

Hmm_Messiah wrote:

btw is there a thread where rsynnott doesn't mention being the "too ugly gay guy" ?

You missed the fun we had at the Queer Beers playing the Rob thinks he's ugly drinking game. After each shot we smacked him across the head for being an eejit. Great fun. Lots of slaps.

Hmm_Messiah

darn And I was going to go!!!

but my adopted reclusive nature got the better of me .
Used frequently meet online "mates", mostly from old IRC rooms (where Ixoy often kept me up alnight -oops- up=awake), and had great fun doing the "scene" thing I guess, my ex was a little disco bunny

will get there (God I feel a Shelley from Corrie moment coming on)

Boston

Rozie wrote:

How do you think I ended up with no friends in the first place...?

I don't know, your personallity maybe. Your Bi-sexuals should love me crap really gets on my nerves. The notion that somehow people are born with a responsibility towards you. If all Transexual girls are like you, then I'd hassard a different guess as to why so few people want to be with them.

PhantomBeaker

I forgot to mention something in my previous posts - I hope this makes sense, given the hour, and my head is a bit fuzzy. So I might be a bit crude in explaining this.

Sometimes attraction is just an odd thing. Personally, I have very different tastes in men and women. But sometimes someone who I wouldn't originally find physically attractive can become insanely attractive once I actually get a feel for their personality (attractive in the physical sense - it's really difficult for me to describe how/why).

But sometimes people might like you despite them not being their type. I know one lesbian and a gay guy who are quite happy together. I've met one gay guy and his ftm boyfriend when the boyf was pre-everything and they were still madly in love. Neither is particularly odd - just special. I don't think any of them thought that they'd be in that situation, but they found themselves there and worked with it.

There are people out there and you can fit perfectly into their world view - some people have worlds where you can have a woman with a penis... and you can still be their girlfriend, if they found you attractive. There are some people who'll realise this, either because they've seen someone else's world where this is possible, or they just came to that conclusion somehow.

Best of all, some people just like you because you're you - you can be John, Christine, Cthulhu.. whatever, and what they're attracted to is You, not a boy, girl or tranny. They don't have a boyfriend or girlfriend - they have You. They're the really cool ones.

And the thing is, you won't know who they are by looking at them. Hell, they may not even know it themselves until they meet you. But I've had enough experience to know that they're out there.

Take care,
Aoife

Hmm_Messiah

Well done Phantom Beaker, its ueful that you can give individual examples as after all Rozie is well...an individual.

I still think that "there is other things going on " regarding Rozie that won't be resolved here; I mean she almost seems to be intentionally settig herself up for criticism and rejection.


Pax

LegacyUser

Huge admirer here. love the ultra femininity of tgirls.