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Storm Kathleen Sat 6th April 2024.

  • 02-04-2024 6:19pm
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    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Was deliberating over posting in up to +120hr thread or start a new thread and said well this is a weather forum and worth keeping an eye on some potentially very windy weather the weekend. Degree of uncertainty as yet but good to track developments one way or the other.

    What you reckon adocholiday, fair upgrade tonight from the main models, strongest winds tracking over Ireland on the latest runs, named storm on the cards if they keep this up. Difficult one, forming rapidly off the fast looping Jet moving up from the south, with very strong stormy winds coming from a S, SSW, SW direction along with heavy rains and on this set up the S , SW, W getting the brunt of the rains. The last few run have been upgrading this, was perhaps showing it very windy on Fri but uncertainty now. Fast moving system which will chop and change over the coming days with timing, track and strength but has the makings of something strong perhaps.

    Watch out for Fohn winds further up the country, currently showing getting up to 15 or 16c on Sat for a time and very mild Fri also, probably quite a humid airflow.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Very similar now form the rest of the models at this stage which is not often the case at this time frame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (410ft asl)


    Strong gale force sw-w winds favoured on Saturday at this point with varying scenarios being played out in the main models. One to keep an eye on.

    www.x.com/wolfeeire



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    ECM and GFS both showing very similar setups at the moment. Both show a significant low pressure system spinning up Friday morning to the East of the Azores. It moves North and deepens rapidly as it does so and continues to deepen as it passes to our West. Really tight gradient on the charts. GFS has it moving much faster, with the strongest winds coming onshore to the SW around 2am Saturday, ECM more of a Saturday afternoon event. Interesting to see how this develops but a lot of consensus already this far out. Nearly 140km/h gusts for coastal SW, ECM showing a much more widespread windfield than GFS at the moment.

    The 18z runs should be coming out soon for ICON and GFS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 474 ✭✭Robwindstorm


    Powerful enough looking storm if it holds that track and intensity.

    On 26th April 2019, Storm Hannah give cause for Red alerts in the SW and knocked out power to over 30,000 customers. That storm came from the coast of Canada and the month of April was very good overall weather-wise.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,295 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Ya saw this in FI about 200hrs ago. They pretty well nailed it so far give or take a day.

    At worst this could give wind gusts in excess of 120kph widely At best the West coast only sees 100kph gusts.

    Windy.tv or ventuskey are about to get traffic. TV weather mentioned this today. Grand National could be deferred to Sunday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,989 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    Looking at where I live it's showing 121kph in Waterford city. Scaffolding up which might get caught in the line of fire. Going to be some moving of plants etc the day before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭MrFrisp


    Isn't the Grand National the week after?? 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    Plenty of changes to come yet. GFS 18z keeps the strongest winds off the west coast, and ICON 18z has the strongest winds up the Irish sea. Still windy overland on both but not as severe as previous runs. I expect there'll be lots of changes in the next few days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 717 ✭✭✭bazlers


    Yes Grand National Saturday week as im flying over Friday week.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,295 ✭✭✭pauldry


    I thought the Irish Grand National was the week before the English but mustn't be. Going will be soft in any case.

    As for storm seems likely to run up the West coast but just how close it gets is open to question. Could be another one a few days after too as the lows from the SW continue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭Newtown90




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 717 ✭✭✭bazlers


    Irish Grand National was Monday gone. Flying Saturday morning for Paris Marathon so hope this storm stays well west.

    An expensive April for me. Back to beans and toast and hibernation until june!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭slimboyfat


    The difference between the ECM and GFS yesterday was huge but not so much today, worth watching this over the next day or two to see what develops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,295 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Grand National on Saturday 13th April at 4pm

    Plenty of rain between now and then.

    Storm staying out West on latest with just the usual Mace HD and Belmullet gusts.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Models shifting around a bit but ECM and UKMO still showing very strong winds in parts if not stormy. GFS had been stormy but latest run shifted the winds off and on the W coasts, ARPEGE bouncing around a bit and showing g some v strong winds in parts, ICON gone off it a bit on latest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭BobMc


    ahh lads not this weekend, have to drive up to letterkenny friday afternoon from limerick and back leaving Donegal Saturdayy about about 12noon or so, will have to keep an eye on this one, what time frame are forecasts predicting at the moment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Sorry for this question but how stormy is it looking for leinster game for sat night ( 8pm onwards) might not take kids if bad . Game in Aviva



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    The latest model runs are still showing some variation in intensity but timing looks consistent across them now for early-mid afternoon peak. GFS and ARPEGE both showing a primarily west coast event but still gusty right across the country, ICON showing a more wide-spread area of high winds but as usual it tends to overdo the gusts.

    I don't think we're looking at anything too serious here for people traveling or going to a match etc. I'd say widespread yellow warnings are likely, with orange for coastal parts of the SW and W for a while. The worst should be long past by 8pm. That's based on current guidance though, still 3 days out yet so lots of changes likely. Keep an eye on Met Eireann for warnings etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭slimboyfat


    With the current models, I wouldn't be surprised to see a few red warnings on the west coast for this one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Can someone explain why the low pressures way to our south are actually not going over Portugal/Spain or even France but turning up in our direction and heading off up by Ireland? It seems like all Ireland and the UK get these days are low pressures from all directions. East, West, North, South.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭CptMonkey


    I don't know but is it a function of climate change ?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ARPEGE at this stage is probably a good average of the models, a couple are that bit stronger. Looking very windy sweeping up over the country from a S to SW direction from early Sat, strongest winds through the morning, afternoon and into the evening and slowly abating later that evening. The southerly winds could prove damaging with gusts probably getting up to 80 km/h widespread and getting up to 90 or 100km/h especially Munster and other parts with higher gusts in coastal areas. Some models showing gusts overland getting up to 110km/h in places but a couple of days out yet to know for definite and in time models should align more giving a clearer picture.

    Fast moving system initially , deepening on approach from the S moving up close to the SW/ W coasts being carried along by the Jet, left exit. The storm system could spawn other waves and hard to know at this stage how close by it stays into Sunday, some models showing could be quite windy also Sunday. Fairly blustery/ windy for a time on Fri also. Bands of rain giving the heaviest rain in the W, SW and S it would seem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    It's the jet stream. If you look at the forecast of it for Saturday you can see how the low pressure forming in the Azores is being pushed northwards.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,901 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I'd love a good storm… the weather has been too boring. :/



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,901 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Yet, I have seen extreme warmth forecast for the upper atmosphere predicted to go over us and the UK… but the temps won't translate to ground level.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    GFS that bit further off the coast, still strong winds overland, widespread up to 90km/h, up to 100km/h for large parts of the country too, up to 110km/h on coasts, up around 120km/h in SW coasts, going through that bit quicker than the others but remaining very windy into the evening, windy again on Sun especially the W, N and N

    ICON very to extremely windy for much of the country but need to stick with the average for now but worth keeping an eye on.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    UKMO 18Z just goes out to +66hrs at atm, very strong but again would side with the ECM, GFS and ARPEGE for now, adding ICON which is by far the strongest but inclined to over do it by 10 Km/h or so especially at this stage.

    The main thing is that all models showing a strong wind event sweeping up over Ireland, just need to fine tune the wind speeds now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,295 ✭✭✭pauldry


    ICON got the storm that brought 140kph gust to Sligo spot on. Its all dependent on how far West the depression stays. I'd still think Western and Southwestern coastal fringes 100 to 120kph. Everywhere else sub 100.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭CrowdedHouse


    Yellow wind warning for Ireland, Saturday 0700-2000

    Seven Worlds will Collide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,296 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Status Yellow - Wind warning for Ireland

    Met Éireann Weather Warning

    Very strong and gusty southerly winds.

    Possible impacts:

    • Some fallen trees
    • Difficult travel conditions
    • Debris, loose objects displaced
    • Some coastal flooding

    Valid: 07:00 Saturday 06/04/2024 to 20:00 Saturday 06/04/2024

    Issued: 09:41 Thursday 04/04/2024



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭aisling86


    I’d expect this to be upgraded tomorrow- few children’s parties already cancelled for Saturday in Cork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,983 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    No mention of Olivia?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    Some SW & W coastal counties might go orange for different times on Saturday but orange level gusts likely to be confined to the coastal areas. The ECM, GFS, ARPEGE are all in broad agreement at this stage, just minor differences in max gusts and timings. The UKMO is also more or less in agreement except showing stronger winds overland but that model has shown a lot of extremes the past winter and I don't really give it much weight. ICON off on its own too, and I'd suggest too much of an outlier at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,009 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Bit confusing that post from the UK Met they say tail end of Storm Olivia tomorrow and a 2nd Storm on Saturday which one is it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,248 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Status Orange - Wind warning for Cork, Kerry, Galway, Mayo

    Met Éireann Weather Warning

    Storm Kathleen will bring gale force southerly winds, with some severe and damaging gusts.

    Possible impacts:

    • Very difficult travel conditions
    • Fallen trees
    • Some power outages
    • Coastal flooding
    • Wave overtopping

    Valid: 07:00 Saturday 06/04/2024 to 17:00 Saturday

    06/04/2024

    Issued: 10:48 Thursday 04/04/2024



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭aidanodr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭slimboyfat


    That's what happens when someone post something from the click bait media



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    @Meteorite58 Storm named now - #STORMKATHLEEN .. Perhaps change the thread title to reflect? Just in case some one else starts a #STORMKATHLEEN thread :D

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,627 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Typical! Yesterday was lovely so power hosed the patio and paths and set out all the garden furniture. Looks like I’ll have to put it all safely away again now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    Olivia was the storm that brought all the rain to Portugal. It was named by the Portuguese Met Office and will bring some wind and rain our way tomorrow but not stormy conditions, that's just clickbait nonsense. Kathleen on Saturday will be more of an event for us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Well .. looking at Met dot IE site for us in carrigaline its pretty much wall to wall rain until at least next Tuesday. So we didnt put out the furniture yet :D .. In fact there has been so much rain here we have not cut the grass yet as the ground is permanently sodden & its been mainly raining so no real opportunity.

    I note Alan Reilly Carlow weather on radio yesterday ( I think ) .. said its essentially been raining in Ireland for about the last 8 months or so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,540 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭live4tkd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭Seadin


    **** sake another storm. When does this ever stop? Can it still be upgraded to a red warning?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Changed title.

    WRF a good model closer to the time, ICON and UKMO still away out in front but looking at an average of the models for now, still need to keep an eye on it for fine tuning. Met Eireann fairly quick out of the blocks with the warnings, more counties could be added to Orange, will see how it pans out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    I'd say red is highly unlikely. If ICON were to verify then red warnings would be issued, but at this stage I very much doubt it. The rest of the main models have been aligned for the past 24 hours or so with what Met Eireann have forecast, and more often than not the forecast max potential gusts don't verify here. Even the orange warnings will mainly be a result of the winds on the coasts, inland will likely be yellow-level for most.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,009 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    UK Met have warnings for wind gusts 70mph we will be closer to this storm what are the wind gusts likely to be for us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭tiegan


    Flying out of Cork 7am Sat - could be interesting!!



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,630 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Was there a further suggestion of another storm later in the next week too, or is it that the winds will remain for a few days past Saturday?



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