Would you like to see the perpetrators of the recent arson attacks brought to justice?

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722356#Comment_121722356

Don't be so dramatic

If the poll was "should Ian bailey have been extradited to France"

Would you want the site closed down for that too?

Slightly Kwackers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722240#Comment_121722240

Yes and mobs taking the law into their own hand are a justifiable solution?

Concerned about migrants, dangerous dogs or parking outside school gates?

Then you have a democratic system in place, people to speak out on your behalf after taking ALL interests into account.

A mob does not do detail, but sees things very simplistically, they act in response to a stimulus they see as bad and never consider the bigger picture.

Addressing a bunch of thugs who's first answer is violence is hardly going to explain the big picture is it?

A modern day problem is that the internet allows people to seek out news and opinions that reinforce sometimes extreme views, the material is simplistic and does not need the attention span that real life decisions should take into account.

What a country some people seem to want to make for themselves, whether it's cars and buses torched at improvised road blocks or migrant accommodation, I see no bloody difference between the two acts.

It beggars belief that such activities are seen as being acted out out of nationalistic motive. Any nation would be better off without them.

Protest is healthy in a democracy, criminal damage and intimidation is not.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722424#Comment_121722424

The gardai have almost certainly no informers in the groups that organised this as it's likely most if not all of these fires are carried out by people who a) were never involved in something like this before b) locally organised around this single issue.

There may be names and rumours circulating in the communities that the gardai are aware of. There is a long road to be travelled to get from names to arrests though. I suspect no one is talking.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722537#Comment_121722537

Trying to deflect by bringing in a totally unrelated case.

Won't work.

Your poll is a disgrace and this site should not host it.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722011#Comment_121722011

Nobody in their right mind should be thinking anything else but this, and its only right that this was the first comment.

Burning hotels. Seriously, cop the fuk on. I hope the absolute cunz that have been doing this get life, and the 26% of ye **** on here die roaring.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722577#Comment_121722577

Not deflecting anything.

This topic is about arson attacks that are widely discussed in the media in which no perpetrator is found.

The case of Sofie Toscan duplantier is about a more serious crime in which no perpetrator was found.

Just because you feel more strongly about the former does not mean the site should be closed down

Slightly Kwackers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722030#Comment_121722030

That might be a tad difficult.

People attacking a defenceless building surreptitiously, or from the anonymity of a mob would probably be better suited to being strung p by a more substantial appendage.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722240#Comment_121722240

So you think one crime us a justification for another?

Where does that lead to ?

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722356#Comment_121722356

These threads are going to do that in the future .

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722292#Comment_121722292

Brittas community cafe said that nit only do thise protesting represent them but that those protestors knew the place was about to be torched.

What does that say about " the protestors " ?

Overheal

Perhaps treat them how they treat others: burn their homes down? Court should at minimum seize their assets for restitution; it would be fitting if their former home housed refugees.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722537#Comment_121722537

Still don't actually want to clearly state what your position is though... Instead it's just pretending to be on the fence on the issue.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722262#Comment_121722262

Have you ever seen a fire ?

The danger to life and property is immediate .Not to mention our fire services .

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722424#Comment_121722424

And the perps have to be fairly sophisticated if they haven't been caught on any sort of CCTV, after over a dozen burnings surely officials would ensure a site is protected by active and passive security before it is announced as a location for refugee housing?

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722701#Comment_121722701

Nobody wants to give you the opportunity to tut tut and look down your nose at them. Your black and white reality is and always will be a pipedream.

The funny thing about all this is the people who want an arrest the least are the government!! The government simply cannot stand this being a hot topic. An arrest would only prolong the attention on it

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722719#Comment_121722719

No I think two dozen hotels going up in flames in Ireland prolongs and internationalizes attention to it.

endacl

You can be intelligent, or you can burn down empty buildings because social media told you “d’immigrantsizcumming”, but it’s one or the other…

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722719#Comment_121722719

Putting lives at risk by burning down buildings is pretty scummy behavior. Tbh, anyone I know views it as such. So we can assume so that you think they're doing the right thing? And don't think they should be arrested? Cause they're saving the fabric of Irish society through arson? I'd also suspect the people who are doing this have an existing criminal history but sure patriots in your eyes.

I'd suspect the state would be happy with arrests at this stage cause not getting a handle on arsonists burning down buildings on a weekly basis reflects terribly on policing. Plus if somebody is killed as a result of one of these, that reflects on the state.

machiavellianme

Not only should they be brought to justice, they should be made pay for the reinstatement of the property they destroyed. Can't afford it? Then it's time to rent a few rooms out in their own place whilst they atone in prison.

Rubberchikken

A horrible crime that is the work of people without the intelligence to see the bigger picture.

We have to accept whatever number the EU decides. People have to be housed somewhere obviously and torching buildings isn't going to stop this. Instead it's costing the country money. It's putting lives at risk and just stalling the inevitable.

The government have no one to blame but themselves for their cackhanded approach to this issue.

Hoping to sneak X amount of people into some old nursing home/hotel without proper calm and clear discussion with people living in the area is going to cause trouble.

And the arsonists will play up any fears that people have.

Padre_Pio

Boards.ie moves closer to theJournal.ie every day.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722747#Comment_121722747

It's awful, Joe.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722701#Comment_121722701

The wonky options reveal his obvious preference.

JP Liz V1

Yes the arsonists should be punished and prosecuted and jailed

The government though need to address the problem too though, that the country is upset over too many coming in

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722766#Comment_121722766

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Psychedelic Hedgehog

Poll not going OP's way. Oh whoops.

Slightly Kwackers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722739#Comment_121722739

Their property would be sold for other debt. They can have the pleasure of finding a rental if any landlord could get insurance cover for a convicted arsonist of course.

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722698#Comment_121722698

I'm from the area and everyone just expected it to happen, heavy police presence all month surprised they got away with it so far

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722686#Comment_121722686

Not attempting to justify it. But you have to understand why it’s happening.. people have genuine concerns and opinions that are just being dismissed in the most arrogant, ignorant, undemocratic and dishonest manner by the likes of Leo, McEntee, Paschal and more besides…

Slightly Kwackers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722742#Comment_121722742

"Sneak"?

These are people, not convicted criminals. If their presence has to be kept quiet it's a sad indictment on the rubbish that inhabit the area.

Are hotel guests smuggled into place?

The only thing they are guilty of is being foreign and desperate, I would gladly welcome these people rather than arsonists.

The planned occupants of the buildings have the moral high ground if they have not been responsible for criminal activities.