Would you like to see the perpetrators of the recent arson attacks brought to justice?

Markus Antonius

We've seen many fires now of potential new migrant centres around the country and yet not one single arrest yet.

Threadbans:

Abozzz

Allinall

Yes. Crime is crime.

gifted

Yep, crime is crime but the government should be getting the message by now. The people have had enough. It's only a matter of time before someone loses a life in these fires.

Kermit.de.frog

They should be hung by the balls in my considered opinion

Ten of Swords

Are you suggesting that the people who set fire to buildings should be allowed to continue unhindered and unpunished?

Only a matter of time before one of these buildings isn't as empty as they think and potentially someone squatting, sleeping rough or just in the wrong place at the wrong time is injured or killed

Princess Calla

The cost of vandalism ultimately hits the majority of us.

I honestly don't know if these buildings where privately owned or government owned.

Either way insurance will be claimed....there's our premiums increasing.

Guaranteed there will also be taxpayers money spent on clean up/rebuild too.

The cost of the fire brigade.....doubt you'd be too happy if those resources were busy, while your own house is burning, or a car crash etc.

There's also the waste of destroying a perfectly good building....which will now be rebuilt (eventually I presume) , at the moment building materials cost are at an all time high.....an extra increase in demand is not helpful.

So yeah it would be nice to see people held accountable for the absolute waste.

Strumms

Leo has insisted that Ireland was not a racist country or that the political climate had changed in response to the arrival of more than 100,000 refugees fleeing war-torn Ukraine, though he did accept there is “rising concern” about migration in the country.

“Some of that is understandable and legitimate concerns. That shouldn’t be dismissed,”

that’s a laughable statement really..from the outset Leo has been completely and 100% dismissive of any and all concerns…

A government report in ‘23 showed 76 % of people who migrated to Ireland in ‘22 did not register their asylum application at a port or an airport.

yet… Leo subsequently stated that it was a myth that Ireland had open borders and no immigration controls… 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣

so when you have a politician coming out with that, it’s simply stoking the flames so to speak.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722041#Comment_121722041

Let's pretend that the poll is a jury.

Bricks and mortar have a value but does the fabric of the community?

Some would argue the government are setting fire to this fabric

noodler

Odd poll

Where is the:

I have some concerns but arson is a disgrace

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722094#Comment_121722094

Odd response to a poll when I clearly put this as the middle option

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722108#Comment_121722108

That's not the same thing.

Goldengirl

No it's not a real choice which I suspect you know ... Support the protests is another thing entirely .

Arson is a crime and should be punishable as a crime , nothing to do with whether you support a protest , think that we should accept our ' share of refugees ' , or not .

In fact putting that in as the first option is a classic bias in a poll.

Should have another option ○" yes think it's unacceptable regardless of opinion re refugees" , to be fair and accurate .

People need to be held accountable for setting fire. I totally support peaceful protest, but fire is a killer, it’s fairly inevitable that somebody will actually get killed. It’s a bit strange that there are no arrests YET. Are there not CVTV cameras at these places with remote viewing?

LubaDriver

Doesn't matter, I highly doubt that there will be arrests let alone convictions. Arson is near impossible to prove.

Carrys a max sentence of life so anyone that is convicted is facing a stretch instead.

Interesting poll results Vs the comments on the thread.

seenitall

Yes, I would. But for none of the reasons that you put in your poll replies after “Yes”, so I won’t tick any of the boxes.

My answer is “Yes, because I would like to see what is ultimately behind the so far obvious no-arrests policy as currently in play”.

noodler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722142#Comment_121722142

You can have reservations about the States capacity without joining protests.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722134#Comment_121722134

Leo said there would be arrests for the previous fires but it turned out that him and the guards were lying about that. They really need to stop that nonsense and just focus on the investigations.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722083#Comment_121722083

Sounds like a trite attempt at justifying arson.

nachouser

They should be made to mine moon rocks on the moon.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722041#Comment_121722041

I agree 100%. Also, it’s only a matter of time before someone who verifiably shouldn’t be here, does something dangerous like attacking kids and adults outside a school with a knife and, get charged with attempted murder….ohhhh, wait… 🫥 might only be a matter of time before somebody or some people end up with something more serious than a hospital stay…

Jequ0n

When I read the OP I thought this would surely be locked and deleted in no time. Oh the irony

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722083#Comment_121722083

Such fires also create more discontent and endanger lives. Also there's a fair argument that it's an act of terrorism. Instead of saying "some would argue", why not actually tell us what you think...

Quitelife

theres so many people getting away with various crimes ie Burglaries, drug dealing , drug debt intimidation etc etc it’s hard to decide which is worst !

Our prisons are full anyways so there’s no room for anyone unless you murder someone !

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722258#Comment_121722258

Bank holiday evening. Mods are on holidays.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722083#Comment_121722083

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Slightly Kwackers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058334694/would-you-like-to-see-the-perpetrators-of-the-recent-arson-attacks-brought-to-justice

This is total lunacy.

Ignoring the lawto cause harm tp people and property isnt acceptable in a democracy.

How can stuff like this be poted?

Methinks there is a very good chance that any migrants being accommodated are a greater asset to the country than the thugs who have no respect for law.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722276#Comment_121722276

Mods are posting on thread

I’m envious of your bank holiday nonetheless

mickdw

Dangerous route to achieving a goal. I don't like it at all but I can see why the people of those localities are doing it.

Government need to be more open with communities, explain who is coming, what is being put in place in terms of services and support and try to move forward that way.

As it stands, it appears the only way communities know there are people coming is when they see action at a run down property. This unknown only increases the fear in the area.

CuriousCucumber

In my mind, it's simple. We can't pick and choose which laws we want to follow.

Have an issue with government decisions, vote for another party. Contact your local td. Run for election.

We need laws abide by. If you don't follow them, there should be consequences

elperello

We might as well pull down the shutters on this site if we allow equivocation concerning such a serious crime as arson.

Knowing how the Garda have agents in all politically active groupings it's inconceivable that they don't have a very good idea who the perpetrators were all along. It's served someone politically to let this carry on and now it's got out of hand so they are rushing to try to stamp it out. It's a bit late for that as copy cat right wing thugs will think they can get away with it now.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722356#Comment_121722356

Don't be so dramatic

If the poll was "should Ian bailey have been extradited to France"

Would you want the site closed down for that too?

Slightly Kwackers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722240#Comment_121722240

Yes and mobs taking the law into their own hand are a justifiable solution?

Concerned about migrants, dangerous dogs or parking outside school gates?

Then you have a democratic system in place, people to speak out on your behalf after taking ALL interests into account.

A mob does not do detail, but sees things very simplistically, they act in response to a stimulus they see as bad and never consider the bigger picture.

Addressing a bunch of thugs who's first answer is violence is hardly going to explain the big picture is it?

A modern day problem is that the internet allows people to seek out news and opinions that reinforce sometimes extreme views, the material is simplistic and does not need the attention span that real life decisions should take into account.

What a country some people seem to want to make for themselves, whether it's cars and buses torched at improvised road blocks or migrant accommodation, I see no bloody difference between the two acts.

It beggars belief that such activities are seen as being acted out out of nationalistic motive. Any nation would be better off without them.

Protest is healthy in a democracy, criminal damage and intimidation is not.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722424#Comment_121722424

The gardai have almost certainly no informers in the groups that organised this as it's likely most if not all of these fires are carried out by people who a) were never involved in something like this before b) locally organised around this single issue.

There may be names and rumours circulating in the communities that the gardai are aware of. There is a long road to be travelled to get from names to arrests though. I suspect no one is talking.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722537#Comment_121722537

Trying to deflect by bringing in a totally unrelated case.

Won't work.

Your poll is a disgrace and this site should not host it.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722011#Comment_121722011

Nobody in their right mind should be thinking anything else but this, and its only right that this was the first comment.

Burning hotels. Seriously, cop the fuk on. I hope the absolute cunz that have been doing this get life, and the 26% of ye **** on here die roaring.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722577#Comment_121722577

Not deflecting anything.

This topic is about arson attacks that are widely discussed in the media in which no perpetrator is found.

The case of Sofie Toscan duplantier is about a more serious crime in which no perpetrator was found.

Just because you feel more strongly about the former does not mean the site should be closed down

Slightly Kwackers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722030#Comment_121722030

That might be a tad difficult.

People attacking a defenceless building surreptitiously, or from the anonymity of a mob would probably be better suited to being strung p by a more substantial appendage.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722240#Comment_121722240

So you think one crime us a justification for another?

Where does that lead to ?

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722356#Comment_121722356

These threads are going to do that in the future .

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722292#Comment_121722292

Brittas community cafe said that nit only do thise protesting represent them but that those protestors knew the place was about to be torched.

What does that say about " the protestors " ?

Overheal

Perhaps treat them how they treat others: burn their homes down? Court should at minimum seize their assets for restitution; it would be fitting if their former home housed refugees.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722537#Comment_121722537

Still don't actually want to clearly state what your position is though... Instead it's just pretending to be on the fence on the issue.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722262#Comment_121722262

Have you ever seen a fire ?

The danger to life and property is immediate .Not to mention our fire services .

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722424#Comment_121722424

And the perps have to be fairly sophisticated if they haven't been caught on any sort of CCTV, after over a dozen burnings surely officials would ensure a site is protected by active and passive security before it is announced as a location for refugee housing?

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722701#Comment_121722701

Nobody wants to give you the opportunity to tut tut and look down your nose at them. Your black and white reality is and always will be a pipedream.

The funny thing about all this is the people who want an arrest the least are the government!! The government simply cannot stand this being a hot topic. An arrest would only prolong the attention on it

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722719#Comment_121722719

No I think two dozen hotels going up in flames in Ireland prolongs and internationalizes attention to it.

endacl

You can be intelligent, or you can burn down empty buildings because social media told you “d’immigrantsizcumming”, but it’s one or the other…

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722719#Comment_121722719

Putting lives at risk by burning down buildings is pretty scummy behavior. Tbh, anyone I know views it as such. So we can assume so that you think they're doing the right thing? And don't think they should be arrested? Cause they're saving the fabric of Irish society through arson? I'd also suspect the people who are doing this have an existing criminal history but sure patriots in your eyes.

I'd suspect the state would be happy with arrests at this stage cause not getting a handle on arsonists burning down buildings on a weekly basis reflects terribly on policing. Plus if somebody is killed as a result of one of these, that reflects on the state.

machiavellianme

Not only should they be brought to justice, they should be made pay for the reinstatement of the property they destroyed. Can't afford it? Then it's time to rent a few rooms out in their own place whilst they atone in prison.

Rubberchikken

A horrible crime that is the work of people without the intelligence to see the bigger picture.

We have to accept whatever number the EU decides. People have to be housed somewhere obviously and torching buildings isn't going to stop this. Instead it's costing the country money. It's putting lives at risk and just stalling the inevitable.

The government have no one to blame but themselves for their cackhanded approach to this issue.

Hoping to sneak X amount of people into some old nursing home/hotel without proper calm and clear discussion with people living in the area is going to cause trouble.

And the arsonists will play up any fears that people have.