Ian Bailey RIP - threadbans in OP

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121762955#Comment_121762955

In that murder, was it suggested that the assailant was wounded at the scene?

This case is a little different though. A major part of the Garda case against Bailey is that he was scratched at the scene, which is likely to generate forensic evidence - none were found. Bailey volunteered samples at a time when he could not have known no forensics were found. Plus the attack involved multiple weapons \ modes of attack, briars at the scene. It was brutal and messy.

WhiteHonda

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121762972#Comment_121762972

Re wounded at scene :

I don't think so. The killer just struck the victim several times on the head with, probably, an iron bar.

BagofWeed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121762955#Comment_121762955

They tried to frame a local scumbag, a man who has a violent history but not as a bully just a genuinely hard nutcase. He was feared by other local scum living in the same general area, so in typical of the time AGS they used the two very pricks who actually did that murder as witnesses in their framing ! One of whom became a hostile witness in court.

One of these witnesses about 4 years later actually entered the local station drunk, (pretty much always drunk) and described how he did the murder. This was explained in court by an arresting guard when he appeared on a charge for being intoxicatied in a public place.

Later the other 'witness' actually murdered the latter 'witness' and is doing life.

Stranger still the 'witness' who later got life had been closely involved in a 1996 murder but a family member who was involved was done for it.

You couldn't make it up ! Like something from a film.

Forgot to add: Another witness in the 1997 murder, 1st cousin of the murderer 'witness' and also 1st cousin of the man convicted of the 1996 murder, was acquitted of murder in 2005.

Musicrules

Obviously, not many are sad that Bailey died a sad, lonely, unhappy life but it's a pity Sophie's family didn't see him get locked up. The net was tightening on Bailey, he knew the game was up. His heart couldn't handle it.

Zola1000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121768029#Comment_121768029

Well...this is not well informed statement. Here's why

Firstly it's true not many are sad..and he died lonely and sad. But how was net tightening on him exactly?

A couple of points of note

-recent Irish times pole if it means anything indicated that massive divide in opinion weather IB committed the crime or not

-uk former forensics investigator got the complete files and spoke with bailey in recent months...has read large amounts of files of entire case and could not see any evidence pointing to one person. Was in sensed why the guards took DNA from lots of people including IB but only focused on IB. Numerous other angles never persued

-The DNA and any other evidence willingly provided by IB and yet no match to anything at scene...but your saying net tightening?

The net is tightening on guardai and new crime review team having to explain and reason with Sophie's family the dpp and Irish people and French people to explain wholly and transparently why they conducted the investigation in the way they did...as it has completely blinded everyone to getting actual truth...focussing on one person where therw could be least another 3.

I'm still not saying IB is/ isn't guilty but how you conclude it's tigening is laughable

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121769029#Comment_121769029

The guards weren't talking to Bailey, the cold case team were making great progress, local stories of them breaking new ground, Bailey screwed up and admitted he had met Sophie at the arts festival. The net was tightening fast and Bailey's heart wasn't in it. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Zola1000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121769050#Comment_121769050

They searched his flat when he died ..why not before...confront him...

The cold case were making great progress...does that mean they are not now? What is great progress ..

I agree on that point...his previous statements here are very strange ..may have seen her from afar...had seen her through window..sure it was her etc. for me I do believe that's crucial area and he did know her...but proof is needed.

Certainly his heart could easily be result of significant amount of years living in fear...drinking excessively, cigarettes, lifestyle , violence of his partner..it's all leads to downward spiral...but it still doesn't give us actual DNA we need place him at scene .

I agree I don't like look of him no more than next ..but I'm not convinced by full willingness to always put forward any DNA and take hair or any other sample In evidence is very much a indication of truth...to be that confident of leaving no DNA at scene .

like do you think investigation was carried out well..

Lecter8319

Bailey didn’t do it. All the evidence points to a Randy Garda she had a number of interactions with prior to her murder. He probably had a fill of pints, bit of coke & thought she ‘d only be delighted to see him. When she turned him down, he couldn’t control his temper. Gards have been setting Bailey up from the beginning as he’s an easy target (English, woman beater, no alibi, fond of whiskey, not well liked) & are never going to admit they got it wrong now. There was a ford escort seen speeding away from the scene after the murder which was known to belong to a certain local aswell. The Gards are corrupt as hell in this country but were rained in by a competent DPP at the time. The current DPP though leaves a lot to be desired and will have no issue blackening Baileys name after his death. We’re a disgrace of a country for treating an innocent man like this.

Evergreen_7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121769635#Comment_121769635

What evidence is there to back this up exactly??

oh wait. None.

Lecter8319

What real evidence do you have that Bailey did it?

Oh wait, none

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121769050#Comment_121769050

local stories of them breaking new ground, Bailey screwed up and admitted he had met Sophie at the arts festival.

What arts festival?

Where are you getting this information?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121769717#Comment_121769717

It is alluded to here.

There was some photographer a few years back who said he thought he saw talking at the Cape Clear festival in 1995. Now, that would be some memory because there's no indication he knew Sophie, so just remembered the face. No indication he took any direct photos of it but the Cold Case team were supposed to be going through general shots of the festival.

It could have just been Bailey saying something like... they're saying I was at X the way he seems to sometimes do and people take it up as him saying it.

Ian Bailey secretly recorded his life over the past three years and gave it to filmmakers before he died. It was all done on a tablet he was provided with by award-winning director Jim Sheridan's documentary team... It is believed Bailey did admit to some of Sheridan's producers that he did know Sophie and that they met during a literary festival in Cape Clear, but he then later denied ever saying it.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ian-bailey-secret-recordings-cork-32043688

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121769723#Comment_121769723

A source said

With the tabloids that source is usually "John" sitting at the next office cubicle who may of heard something down the pub.

If Sheridan is making another documentary I imagine it won't be released until after the Cold Case concludes.

It sounds very much like to me giving his interviews since his first one, his focus will be more on France.

He will definitely get his foot in the door of people who know Sophie and her Husband back then given who he is and the connections he has.

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121769752#Comment_121769752

I believe he looks at Wollney among others. Marie Farrell will also play a part. Sheridan spent a long time with Jules, I wonder will her alibis and the “mislaid” first handwritten statement be discussed? Bailey might have sent him all his stuff, but somehow I think not much time will be spent on him. Sophie’s family will be disappointed.

It’s a fictionalised version of the murder, a bit like his brother’s book. So I for one won’t be holding out much hope for any new major revelations.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121769819#Comment_121769819

His brother wrote a book?

tobefrank321

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121769716#Comment_121769716

Evidence against anyone is mostly circumstantial. Any credible circumstantial evidence against the randy Garda?

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121769857#Comment_121769857

Two, actually.

Google; Michael Sheridan

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121769887#Comment_121769887

That's not his brother.

He had 5 brothers, one died when he was 11.

The only other one that would be known is Peter.

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121769937#Comment_121769937

Yes you're right,

I always thought they were brothers. Every day a schoolday!

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121769717#Comment_121769717

The one in Cape Clear. He admitted it to one of Jim Sheridan's producers. He met and spoke to Sophie on at least this occasion.

Or are we adding this producer to the long list of people involved in the conspiracy against poor woman beating Bailey?

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121772108#Comment_121772108

According to the Irish Mirror and a unknown source.

We will file that under wait and see.

Or are we adding this producer to the long list of people involved in the conspiracy against poor woman beating Bailey?

There was certainly a conspiracy against him.

chicorytip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121769937#Comment_121769937

Mick Sheridan. Forgotten but not gone.

chooseusername

Excellent post over on Reddit today;

Murder at the cottage, "The Harrying of Jules"

Long read, but certainly worth a look.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121769717#Comment_121769717

Just on this point, there was an article (which I took as legitimate) in the paper (Irish - can’t recall which one) at the start of the year. Apparently in the early to mid 90s, I can’t remember what year but might have been 1994 or 5, an arts festival took place. Apparently both Bailey and Sophie attended that festival - not necessarily “together”.

A named person who I cannot recall, has apparently handed over many hours of video camera footage of that festival to the Gardai. The paper went on to say that Gardai were commencing the review of all of that footage - can’t remember the number of hours off the top of my head but it was substantial.

I could well have posted the article here at the time but just can’t recall now - but it’s apparently something being taken seriously by Gardai - let’s see if anything comes of it

Oscar_Madison

Here’s the article Irish Times - behind paywall - here’s an excerpt

“Gardaí investigating the murder of Sophie Toscan du Planter have started examining hours of video footage from cultural events held in west Cork in the mid-1990s to see if they show the French film producer with the chief suspect in the case, Ian Bailey.

Photojournalist Stephen Bean confirmed he had handed over 16 90-minute long Hi8 video tapes recorded at events held in the area to officers from the Serious Crime Review team who are re-examining the original investigation into the 1996 murder.

He said these included footage from a storytelling festival on Cape Clear and art exhibition openings in Skibereen and Schull from between 1993 and 1995.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2024/01/26/gardai-examining-footage-from-cork-cultural-events-to-see-if-it-shows-ian-bailey-with-sophie-toscan-du-plantier/

Zola1000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121773286#Comment_121773286

It's certainly a chink of light to go on..and could tie some of that circumstantial evidence together...knowing her puts lot more focus on his movements ...unless some further accounts from someone new to coroperate this or other evidence...but again its wishful thinking without DNA at scene..

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121772571#Comment_121772571

Proof?

nc6000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121772652#Comment_121772652

That was a very interesting and nicely explains the very dubious methods used by the Gardai around the time of the arrests.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121772652#Comment_121772652

Have you a link?

lee_baby_simms

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