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Have we lost our Patriotism?

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    #32
    NickNickleby
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    Best definition of patriotism I ever heard was:

    ".... ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country"

    JFK inaugural speech January 1961

    When I saw iloveyourvibes post above, that's what came straight to mind.



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    #33
    riffmongous
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    The patriotism of Tone and Thomas Davis, yes, the modern 'patriots' who seem to be the scrapings off the very bottom of the barrel of what Ireland has to offer, hell no



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    #34
    silliussoddius
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    The funny thing about the idea of patriotism is that it’s usually very similar to the person’s own personal beliefs.



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    #35
    I.R.Y.E.D
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    Given how fast these "patriots" grab their ankles for English scrotes that advocate attacking Irish people, is an indication of exactly what they are



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    #36
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058326376/have-we-lost-our-patriotism

    If "patriotism" is about waving Ivory Coast Flags, jumping on crazy conspiracies on covid and vaccines, promoting white and christian supremacy then no thanks

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #37
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121479462#Comment_121479462

    Tell that to all the "republicans" and "patriots" promoting white supremacy

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #38
    chrisd2019
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121478556#Comment_121478556

    Many might describe the UK and USA as more Imperialistic than patriotic.



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    #39
    Jim2007
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121478785#Comment_121478785

    None your not, you have not even bothered to education yourself, as you have just admitted your are just gullibly parroting off what you have been fed by others. The constitution is there for you read as are many good books and articles on the topic. The fact that you confuse patriotism with jingoism and parratot off what you are fed, means you can't be taken seriously.



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    #40
    scottser
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121480194#Comment_121480194

    121480194#Comment_121480194

    Apologies, you are quite correct

    Post edited by scottser on


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    #41
    Strumms
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    Patriotism is to my mind… wish to be proud of your country, to want it and our citizens to be successful, to have services and opportunities for citizens , quickly when things go wrong…… be it with health, work or whatever…

    that citizens and our wellbeing, welfar, happiness and success is the ultimate priority.



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    #42
    TomTomTim
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121479590#Comment_121479590

    Which ones exactly? Ethnically speaking, the Irish are a global minority group, one of the smallest in the world actually. Yet anyone who wants to preserve what's left is instantly a supremacist, even though very few of those people speak of or push supremacist rhetoric. As you know fine well, you're using American imported nonsense like "white supremacy" in the hope of shaming people into doing nothing about our ever growing dilemma. It's too, an absolutely abhorrent attack one of the worlds smallest minority groups. A very shameful thing to see from a great defender of minority like yourself.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #43
    DeadHand
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121479442#Comment_121479442

    I'm pining for a version of Ireland where men weren't beheaded in their own homes and junior infants weren't slashed and stabbed on their way home from school.

    It certainly existed.



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    #44
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121479763#Comment_121479763

    Bit of a daft question really. The "patriots" promoting white supremacy are the people I am talking about.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #45
    Danzy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121479590#Comment_121479590

    What about Socialists who push for a final solution to Jews and a roll back of LGBT rights



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    #46
    corner of hells
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    Patriotism to me is remembering a female relative of mine fought in 1916 ,was captured and imprisoned for short while . She must have experienced the highs of battle and the terror of knowing she could die.Her name is well known and her experiences documented.

    History doesn’t tell us if her husband got his dinner the night she was captured.



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    #47
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121479906#Comment_121479906

    Thread is about patriotism.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #48
    suvigirl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121478769#Comment_121478769

    All.complete rubbish



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    #49
    Danzy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121479691#Comment_121479691

    An excellent book.


    It's happening again in modern SF. Id say we'll see a time in SF when in Dublin and elsewhere they'll be no army commemorations and the leadership will be firm on it.

    The sticks are back.



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    #50
    InAtFullBack
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121479590#Comment_121479590

    The default custodians of republicanism and patriotism in Ireland would like a word...

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    #51
    niallpatrick
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    I'd describe myself as a conservative Irish nationalist and pay no heed to others patriotism. I know what I am and don't care what others say or believe in.


    I won't take crap from anyone who approaches me on the street and tries to instruct me on whats right for Ireland, be it right wing or left wing. Unfortunately SF have gone full swing leftie and are traitors to Ireland and the true Irish natives but thats my personal opinion and they won't get another vote from me. What is a real patriot? God knows, am I one? Prepared to die yes but prepared to kill is a zero from me.



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    #52
    Strumms
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121479903#Comment_121479903

    Never encountered a single white supremacist in Ireland, maybe I’m going to the wrong pubs….the OTT dramatics, jeesus. 👀



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    #53
    erlichbachman
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121479922#Comment_121479922

    Glad you could contribute



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    #54
    nachouser
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    "A Nation and Not a Rabble" is the correct title.



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    #55
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121479966#Comment_121479966

    Republican and patriotism mean many things to different people so there is no 1 overall custodian as such. The "patriots" in Ireland First, National Party, Irish Freedom Party are the White Supremacist ones I referred to earlier.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #56
    Hyperbollix
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    Patriotism is the people of Middleton coming together to help those running businesses who got swapped in the recent deluge. I saw shopkeepers with tears in their eyes on the news as they spoke of people from the town and surrounding area coming in and helping however they could.

    Would that happen in many parts of America or the UK in 2023? Unlikely. I prefer Irish patriotism. No flag waving, chest thumping bullshít. No electing incompetent charlatans just because they shout about Irishness or sovereignty. Just people looking after each other and genuinely caring about their fellow citizens.



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    #57
    suvigirl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121480004#Comment_121480004

    Never heard the phrase ' Ireland for the Irish ' then?



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    #58
    Danzy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121480240#Comment_121480240

    Aren't you a member of such a party though?



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    #59
    Danzy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121480256#Comment_121480256

    Dont know about in Britain but in America, most certainly. Especially in the West or the South.


    In California or New York. Not a hope though.



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    #60
    riddles
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    The feeling of patriotism is at least greatly diminished if people feel they they denied their rights, or believe their views are being ignored and/or are being treated unfairly, they will feel negative towards their country.

    Our political system seems to working on an agenda not clear to voters. Combine this with problems with housing and social services. Plus a challenge to get by on a low to medium wage. These aren’t positives on a patriotism scale.



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    #61
    Everlong1
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121479877#Comment_121479877

    How about an Ireland where innocent tourists who are contributing wealth and jobs to the country aren't mutilated by a horde of welfare lifestyle savages, the same "patriots" who destroyed the streets and businesses of their beloved Dubbalin Town recently? I wonder how many of them had a Tricolour (looted from Carrolls of course!) draped around their shoulders as they fought each other to rob their expensive Nike runners.



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