The Ashes 2023

Rikand

Great from broad. Murphy was just getting set

MFPM

Broad switching the bails again...

Rikand

It works. Nice for broad to get the final wicket

selwyn froggitt

What a series, absolutely brilliant. Such a pity the Manchester weather buggered it up.

namloc1980

That's an incredible collapse. 264-3 to 334 all out.

MFPM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120922121#Comment_120922121

That's semantics! Collapses are a combination of very good bowling and careless play, 4/19 is a collapse IMO.

VillaMad

Broad hit his last ball for 6 and with his final delivery won the game. That's how you go out.

What a series. Every game has been box office and shows you that test cricket really is the best format of the game by a long, long distance.

dohboy

What a series. Best Ashes in years.

MFPM

England deserved to draw the series but Australia lost this match in their first innings. They've lost by 49 runs they easily left them behind in their first innings.

The wait for a series victory in England goes on..

Rikand

If england didn't declare so early in the first test, they might have won it

Gillespy

England well worth drawing the series at least I think. But for losing two days at Old Trafford it would be 3-2.

Australia faded badly as the series went on. Thought they were a bit fortunate to go two up. England left them off the hook with poor catching and some poor selection. I think they benefited from the India final whereas Ireland were no preparation for England being frank. They got better and better as it went on.

kowloonkev

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120922246#Comment_120922246

Interesting perspective considering they just went 68/7 at the end of their second innings.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120921965#Comment_120921965

He’s not exactly taken a 5 for , 3 wickets, from 23 overs, he did his job, 🙂 he’s picked as a bowler. Look at his record in the series

but talk him up by all means….. after his 3 for.

namloc1980

The rain yesterday did Australia no favours. The pitch was dead and Warner and Khawaja were very comfortable. Today was a totally different story.

namloc1980

Moeen Ali has retired from test cricket. Anderson won't be far behind as he's not really at the level any more.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120922218#Comment_120922218

Totally by any established cricket definition, that is a collapse. Lost 7 wickets for 70 runs.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120922505#Comment_120922505

We'll be hearing more about the change of ball controversy yet. Getting a near enough new ball after what was it, about 35 overs, was questionable to put it mildly. It'll also be interesting to see if anything too is done about the sort of gamesmanship that Broad was up to, interfering with the bails. If that's allowed, it could get ridiculous with players on each team switching and the other switching them back. Bad sportsmanship in my book.

Gillespy

Doubt we’ll hear much about the ball change on account of the Australians hate for complaining and whinging. It’s not in their dna. Even though again today we saw Stokes and England take the incomplete catch a lot better than Starc and they did at Lord’s. So I wouldn’t be surprised if their media haven’t already lost the run of themselves about it.

lbunnae

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120922664#Comment_120922664

The bails thing was pathetic , glad he won't be doing it again.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120922664#Comment_120922664

Indeed, however Australians were up to all sorts of carry on in other games, unofficial drinks, multiple glove changes, and other equipment changes….general messing. Because it then suited them. 100% gamesmanship..

ultimately we need to get back to the days of hard tough umpires…. In the style of Venkat, Bird, Shepherd, fellas who you’d think twice about asking if they enjoyed lunch for fear of the reaction…. The game was the important thing, players important but it’s the game.

nobody allowed onto the field unless it’s a scheduled break or injury.

you get hit in the head, medical person with a concussion check, new helmet, no more fiddling with bits of helmet, taking off bits….this water all round for everyone and a ten to fifteen minute stoppage….. if you cannot continue to play without a break, get off the field….

every batsman with backup gear, spare bat, helmet, gloves, whatever… get on with it. Far too much pricking about now. Been watching cricket long enough to know this is only a recent phenomenon….. it’s a drain, far too many stoppages.

and umpires checking balls

dohboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120922776#Comment_120922776

It's an Aussie thing so you'd better avoid watching them too.

https://www.india.com/sports/ashes-2019-nathan-lyon-changed-the-bails-for-fun-joe-root-changed-the-back-at-old-trafford-during-4th-test-watch-video-3767236/

dohboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120922492#Comment_120922492

Jimmy had to deal with a bad batch of Dukes this year. He'll be back flying next summer, clocking up his 700th wicket.

lbunnae

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120922940#Comment_120922940

It's pathetic. I didn't say Broad invented it did I?

Burkie1203

Looks like England refused to spend some time with the Aussies post match. Seems a bit pathetic. Lot of talk about spirirt of cricket but felt England were trying too hard to be different this series and parts of it is very unlikeable.

Find the whole "we are saviours" mentality a bit pathetic Too. Stokes comes across a bit rude/arrogant in his interviews With some short snappy answers. Lot of nonsense from his post match stuff at Lords which hasn't rung through.

Jack Daw

Why is ball tampering considered a bad thing and yet getting the ball changed because you are not getting wickets with it is perfectly legitimate?

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924188#Comment_120924188

The ball can go out of shape hence the umpires check with the rings. But I think the replacement ball should be agreed with both the bowling captain and one of the batters in the middle. That way it cannot be open to claim and counter claim

dohboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924188#Comment_120924188

The umpires decided to change the ball after Khawaja got clonked on the head with it. Was nothing to do with England. All teams try to get the ball changed if it's doing nothing for them.

dohboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120923941#Comment_120923941

https://twitter.com/benstokes38/status/1686213070396268544?s=20

Non-story. They met up afterwards. Some of these lads are probably still on the sesh.

Disappointing to see such bitterness and cribbing on here towards Stokes and England given that they just just been responsible for such amazing entertainment this summer and are changing the game of test cricket, which is returning it to its rightful place at the peak of the sport thanks to Bazball.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924463#Comment_120924463

They hardly changed the ball just because that particular ball hit Khawaja's helmet? It wasn't a dangerous ball in itself per se?

Presumably in hitting the helmet, it must have been deformed in some way. But this is a little hard to understand too, given the far greater forces exerted on the ball when a fast delivery is met with a swinging bat or when a ball is clobbered into the stands.

So a fuller account will no doubt be given, as Eng were not taking wickets at that stage and looking to get the ball changed to see presumably if they'd get a bit more swing, nip, bounce out of a replacement. Anyway the issue was not changing the ball per se but that they got one with obviously much less wear.

dohboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924629#Comment_120924629

It went out of shape after it hit Khawaja's helmet, apparently. There was only 11 or so balls with it after that on Saturday before rain stopped play. The new ball moved around plenty on Sunday but swing is a funny thing, could have been to do with the atmospherics also.