Ron DeSantis is "Corrupt as Hell" -- because "Why Not"

Overheal

Not good, and being heckled without supporters to defend him from it in key battleground states

https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-gets-tough-news-new-poll-1818947

astrofool

Is the argument now that Ron is too dumb to realise that a lot of his policies only interest fascists?

HalloweenJack

Possibly but I think it's more 'you can't call him a fascist if he doesn't identify as a fascist'.

I.R.Y.E.D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120968631#Comment_120968631

One of the reasons top GOP donors are withholding further funding from him, they have said that his campaign policies are alienating him from potential middle of the road voters.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120968631#Comment_120968631

No, we dealt with the matter yesterday. Nobody could identify a Nazi vote in the US worth tailoring their entire policy base toward, and nobody could even attempt to provide figures on how many National Socialists are in the United States. It was fiction exposed.

The allegations of fascism levelled against DeSantis are either conspiratorial or delusional.

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120970891#Comment_120970891

Do you think he is a good presidential candidate and if you had the ability to vote in the 2024 elections would you choose him ahead of trump?

If neither who would your preferred republican candidate be?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120970891#Comment_120970891

Asked and answered below.

Proof positive you will even misrepresent actual content posted to the thread. The 'fiction' is in your post ... as if you have any standing to state 'we dealt with the matter'. I dont know who the 'we' is but it is no reflection of the majority of posts on the topic...

Which show a consensus as to DeSantis being a corrupt Nazi dog whistler.

Everything is viewed by DeSantis through the prism of his so called war on woke / sticking it to 'the libs' regardless of the electoral merit of it.

Where was the electoral merit in a presidential candidate picking a fight with his states largest employer?

Also his campaign is a bust for reasons related to the above.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120967125#Comment_120967125

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120970941#Comment_120970941

I think DeSantis had potential, but that he has wasted the opportunity to date.

If I were forced to choose between DeSantis and Trump, I would at this stage probably choose Trump. That said, I am impressed with neither -- nor am I impressed with the Democrat candidate either. There are no optimum solutions, all choices are fraught with inadequacy.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120970942#Comment_120970942

If DeSantis was appealing to the Nazi vote, as you say, then that implies there is a vast number of National Socialists in the United States worth appealing to. Electorally, that would have to be the case.

Yesterday, I challenged you and others to supply evidence for the very existence of this substantial Nazi vote.

No evidence was forthcoming. I don't blame you because there was no evidence to present to substantiate your claim to begin with. It's why I asked the question.

Your claim that DeSantis is reliant on the Nazi vote for his future success is not only false, it's utterly ludicrous; unworthy of any serious consideration. Your supplementary claim that DeSantis is a fascist is self-discrediting.

You don't even need to be a fan of DeSantis to see through the asininity of the claim.

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120970973#Comment_120970973

I do not remember asking about democrat.

My last question was "If neither who would your preferred republican candidate be?"

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971000#Comment_120971000

The honest answer is that I don't have a preferred Republican candidate, in the same way that I don't have a preferred Democrat candidate.

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971010#Comment_120971010

You picked Trump a few minutes ago why not stick with him? Your need to constantly drag democrats into the thread is bizarre.

If you think the republicans have no better options than Ron and Don just say.

If you see any better candidate be free to say as well unless you are waiting to be fed the answer from Fox\GBNews etc.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120970973#Comment_120970973

Find me the post where I claimed that.

You wont be able to.

Thereby proving the rest of your post to be without foundation and entirely false i.e. Self discrediting.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971055#Comment_120971055

Yes, I will be able to.

In the discussion of DeSantis and fascism / Nazism yesterday, you sided with the argument that DeSantis can justifiably be referred to as a Nazi or fascist due to the people who its claimed he politically appeals to, and based on his actions to date.

Your words aren't even ambiguous:

You then went further, even liking posts that explicitly stated that DeSantis was appealing the Nazi vote:

Don't start backtracking now. It won't work.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971080#Comment_120971080

Where does that post state - and this is what you were asked to show... direct quote from your post:

"Your claim that DeSantis is reliant on the Nazi vote for his future success is not only false."

It doesnt.

Nowhere did I state that he was reliant on them for his future success.

I have actually pointed out the electoral folly of his dog whistling multiple times but to DeSantis it is all about the war on woke.

From post to post you have to resort to demonstrably false misrepresentations of another posters posts.

So DeSantis is still a corrupt Nazi dog whistler. And it is not even effective politically.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971118#Comment_120971118

No, the posts I quoted speak for themselves. We don't need my interpretation of the posts, because there is no interpretation to be had. It's there in black and white.

People can come to their own conclusions.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971127#Comment_120971127

It's pretty clear for everyone to see, you want to downplay the demographics that both Trump and DiSantis cater to. They fear monger and garner the vote of everything from QAnon to white supremacists... They equally fear monger and appeal to people looking for something to blame. For most people this isn't in question. Meanwhile you'll get picky about nazi membership in the US. They have fascist leanings and fans.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971162#Comment_120971162

Would you agree with the statement that almost all people in the United States are against National Socialism?

If so, then why would Ron DeSantis conduct his campaign to specifically tailor toward this vanishingly small minority; a minority bordering on non-existence compared to the rest of the population?

How does that make sense?

The allegation against DeSantis doesn't make sense because it's senseless to begin with. It's evidence-deficient. It's people agreeing with one another for the sake of it, not because the statement is true.

You can hate Ron DeSantis. You can even hate his policies. But you can do both of these things whilst also agreeing that DeSantis isn't a Nazi, isn't seeking to court the Nazi vote for his electoral success, that he isn't held hostage by some phantom massive Nazi population.

Earlier I said that it was an invented fiction. Now it's worse than that. Now it's a laughable delusion.

I.R.Y.E.D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971127#Comment_120971127

Yep we can and as is par for the course with your arguments/claims, in this case your claim that the poster stated that any future success for desantis is reliant on the Nazi vote is false.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120970891#Comment_120970891

A lot of his policies interest fascists. Ron is either courting them and too dumb to realise they are a small % of the vote or they are actually his views and they just happen to align to fascists.

Either option is not a good look for Ron.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120970891#Comment_120970891

Nobody dealt with it yesterday because your only criteria is for calling RDS a naxi is that if he rocked up in jack boots, red black and white insignia, and then the school of funny walks. So because you have a miopic and uniformed definition of the ultra right wing isn't on us, it's on you

Thinkingaboutit

Celebs endorsed COVID measures and headed to Florida to party. Ron DeSantis has a story to tell to GOP supporters and conservatives, but is making a terrible job of it. Perhaps the way his efforts to end Disney's privileges saw that venerable corporation run legal rings around him (surprising for his reputed legal nous), suggests limits to his abilities. For one thing it's increasingly certain that a basically qualification to be a US President is to be a great part of 100 years old (Trump 77 v Pres Biden's 80), whereas in the past the Presidency aged every holder of the office barring Jimmy Carter, but they weren't all elderly. Perhaps DeSantis needs to be thirty years older at least.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971175#Comment_120971175

And a surprising proportion of Americans don't seem to mind leaders who engage in authoritarianism and use false promises to reach a position of power.(the power is their ultimate goal) That tend to use a lot of the playbook of fascistic leaders. Eg promising to send America back to a golden age, rewriting the slave narrative so it looks like slavery was an uplift..

So personally, I would say he's not currently a fascist, he just has fascistic leanings. Both him and Trump like to rewrite reality to have common enemies. They'll latch onto immigrants, trans people, non white people and even start to rewrite history. DiSantis isn't as good as Trump at it but he does this kind of thing. Who would have guessed in 2023, that a major politician would be targeting books...

So ya, Eskimo this is you being pedantic. Extremist politicians in the US do exist and there's a willingness for US citizens to vote for them. (And it's not a left wing issue which you always tend to claim) The Overton window moved drastically in the last twenty years and the kind of rhetoric some parts of society love, is deeply disturbing.

Also your credibility on this is somewhat low given the fact you frequently praise such behaviour and engage in the same rhetoric.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971127#Comment_120971127

As we’ve done for DeSantis and his clear and present Nazi obsession.

You argue well why would he do that that’s not very popular it would be a waste - yet you say directly in your posts you concede Ron is wasting his campaign opportunities. The shoe fits

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971175#Comment_120971175

Red herring again.

I suppose we will see you elsewhere arguing that North Korea can’t be labeled a dictatorship because how can you label a Democratic Peoples Republic a dictatorship?

🤡

Overheal

TIL while DeSantis totally is 100% not a "national socialist" he sure is rolling out the red carpet for some strange people.

This PragerU thing is already wild, DeSantis telling parents acknowledging slavery and the civil war and jim crow is 'too woke' but PragerU is being allowed to use animated videos of Christopher Columbus and Frederick Douglas to gaslight kids into believing slavery was a good thing and saved a lot of lives.

TIL PragerU also in the recent past has shared things that would be of no interest to "national socialists"

https://www.newsweek.com/prageru-karlyn-borysenko-holocaust-hitler-heaven-1656788

But Ron's definitely not trying to cater to the Nazis, no way no sir no how.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120977235#Comment_120977235

No, just because you make statements condemning Woke and just because you can support PragerU, doesn't mean you agree with the output of every word of content released on that platform or everything else a person who is anti-Woke believes.

By way of comparison, I quite like Ben Shapiro but it doesn't follow I agree with everything on his channel because I do not -- and that ranges from social to political to religious to ethical positions.

You're framing everything way too simplistically, way too binary -- "you either agree with me or you're a fascist", basically.

So no, your attempt at a smear by association against DeSantis is false, again.

If DeSantis released a statement agreeing with Karlyn Borsyenko, you'd have a great point. But he didn't, so you don't. You're trying to link him to her purely as a smear, even though there is no link between them.

I see DeFascist has been overtaken by a fella that wants to raise the voting age to 25.

Finger firmly on the pulse of blue collar workers.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120979697#Comment_120979697

PragerU is infamous for misrepresenting on topics from slavery, fascism, racism and also just outright anti LGBT bs.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/06/07/prageru%E2%80%99s-influence

And this is the website that is going to be plugged to students in Floridian kids.... Honestly sounds more like a propaganda class in China. Their videos include Frederick Douglas saying that slavery was a necessary evil for the founding fathers to "achieve something great".....

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120979812#Comment_120979812

No, it presents a historical perspective that you disagree with.

That doesn't make everything they say on the YouTube channel hateful. History is complex, let's not pretend there is some -- yet again -- overarching simplistic perspective on individual topics. Dennis Prager is a practicing Jew, and he has a very deep and thoughtful understanding of what happened in Nazi Germany and fascism and the Holocaust. But you know best, apparently, so we should dismiss every word Prager has to say on the matter because some biased Google search has found a negative article on PragerU.

That link you cited is so distorted and misrepresentative, yet claims to be the truth about the channel. It's absurd.

So yes, where is this source that DeSantis agrees with Karlyn Boryshenko? Does anyone know where it is?

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120979830#Comment_120979830

Denis Prager is a horrible individual.

His "Educational" content that has been taken on board by Florida includes teaching that Slavery improved the lives of Slaves , that Climate change is a hoax , that Racism never existed and a womans purpose is to have children.

There are "Perspectives" and then there are "outright lies" and "PragerU" leans heavily into the latter.