Future and potential Star Wars films - news and speculation

Sad Professor

David Benioff and D.B. Weiss are going from Winterfell to a galaxy far, far away.

It was announced today that Benioff and Weiss, creators of the smash-hit, Emmy Award-winning television series Game of Thrones, will write and produce a new series of Star Wars films.

These new films will be separate from both the episodic Skywalker saga and the recently-announced trilogy being developed by Rian Johnson, writer-director of Star Wars: The Last Jedi.

http://www.starwars.com/news/game-of-thrones-creators-david-benioff-and-d-b-weiss-to-write-and-produce-a-new-series-of-star-wars-films

david75

Oh happy day

david75

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQT-3JODB8k

Vladimir Poontang

Curious.

Will be interesting to see what they can do.

Hopefully Kathleen Kennedy has zero creative input.

This could quickly lead to Star Wars overload though

Sad Professor

Are these guys good writers? The best parts of GOT came from the books.

Vladimir Poontang

Would be nice if they were let off the hook to do an 18/R rated Star Wars.

titan18

Not sure how they can put sexposition into the Star Wars universe

johnny_ultimate

Based on some rudimentary arithmetic, no currently living person will be alive to see the release of the last currently planned Star Wars film, which is due sometime in the mid-2200s (compared to Marvel, which is currently mapped out until the turn of the millennium).

Sad Professor

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Based on some rudimentary arithmetic, no currently living person will be alive to see the release of the last currently planned Star Wars film, which is due sometime in the mid-2200s (compared to Marvel, which is currently mapped out until the turn of the millennium).

Audiences will get sick of both long before then.

david75

Good bye Kenobi...it was a dream. I hope you get your moment someday.

Pero_Bueno

Old Republic ? of course not .

There will be too much Star Wars eventually and will just become hated.

Wedwood

There are now two distinct types of Star Wars fans:

BC - (Before Cash-in), aka Old Testament
AD - (After Disney), aka New Testament

Falthyron

Talk about over-saturation...

Yes, these guys seem to be pretty good at handling massive projects, but another trilogy of films is going to take Star Wars from being special to (dare I say it) Marvel-esque.

So, Rian's trilogy, Benioff + Weiss trilogy (presumably) and also a Kenobi film to wrap up this anthology series? It will all blend into one big mess, but why would Disney care, they will only hear the sound of cash registers being worked up every 6 months at this rate.

Falthyron

One look at Marvel's release schedule since Iron Man shows Disney aimed for two Marvel films every year since 2012/2013. This has since increased to three films every year. I think it is safe to say that Disney plans on doing the same with Star Wars.

Star Wars fatigue... never thought it could happen, but Disney does like to break new ground and challenge people... :pac:

Falthyron

This image is how Disney views the Star Wars franchise. Apathetic, tired, unwilling to resist or complain - primed for milking and far, far, too easy.

salmocab

Be interested to see where they go with this, infinite universe and time lines so could do pretty much anything.
Maybe they picked them to do a GOT style multi story approach.

david75

Falthyron wrote: »

This image is how Disney views the Star Wars franchise. Apathetic, tired, unwilling to resist or complain - primed for milking and far, far, too easy.

Resist. Don’t go see anymore of their films!! Hide from the mouse nazis holding a gun to your head! Fly Fievel!! Fly!!

david75

Falthyron wrote: »

I just wish it featured different characters, a different story-line, and a different time period.

Also you. Just a few hours ago.

Falthyron

david75 wrote: »

Also you. Just a few hours ago.

Different context, David. My argument in this thread refers to oversaturation. Having two or three Star Wars films every year is a bad thing. It dilutes the magic of anticipation, excitement, and what I fear most of all will happen: the overall quality. Would you not prefer a more infrequent release schedule allowing you time to digest the previous one? Or do you want to be force fed one film after the other until they all become a giant blur? Are you unaware of the fatigue currently being experienced by film fans with the super hero films? Do you want people tired of yet another Star Wars film in conjunction with the planned live series, and how many other cartoon series, books, comics, etc.

Too much of a good thing spoils what is good about it.

S.M.B.

I've managed to see all 9 live action movies in the cinema but I know it won't be too long before I break that streak.

Usually I've no issue with unnecessary reboots, sequels or spinoffs but the inevitable over saturation that's on the horizon is going to be difficult to take on the chin.

david75

Falthyron wrote: »

Different context, David. My argument in this thread refers to oversaturation. Having two or three Star Wars films every year is a bad thing. It dilutes the magic of anticipation, excitement, and what I fear most of all will happen: the overall quality. Would you not prefer a more infrequent release schedule allowing you time to digest the previous one? Or do you want to be force fed one film after the other until they all become a giant blur? Are you unaware of the fatigue currently being experienced by film fans with the super hero films? Do you want people tired of yet another Star Wars film in conjunction with the planned live series, and how many other cartoon series, books, comics, etc.

Too much of a good thing spoils what is good about it.

Dig up.

You’re tired of it maybe. Or clearly.
The biggest franchise of the last 40 years seems ready to go.
Now announced multiple Star Wars tv series coming our way.

But yeah Disney/LFL don’t know anything about marketing and have gotten this wrong and people are tired already.

I hope you’re right Falthyron. I really don’t want the best writers and creators in the business forcing me to watch more Star Wars content.

https://twitter.com/starwarsnewsnet/status/961003741586558976

david75

Tasty Star Wars goodness

https://twitter.com/agentbizzle/status/960983084567900160

Calibos

I've a feeling after the fan drubbing the Last Jedi got that the GOT guys are really taking over the Rian Johnson Trilogy but to help him save face its being framed as a seperate new trilogy but then Johnson will pull out of his trilogy for 'personal reasons' and it'll be 'cancelled' leaving only the GOT guys trilogy.

david75

$1.3 billion is not a drubbing. In any universe.

KOTOR?? Looks like it

During a earnings call with Bob Iger, Iger revealed that David Benioff and D.B. Weiss turned down the show runner position for the upcoming live action Star Wars TV series in favor of the films they’ll be working on. They asked to work in a particular time period in the Star Wars universe.

“Their interest was in creating a series of films that are Star Wars based, we’ve been talking to them for a long time,” Iger said. “They’re focused on a point in time in Star Wars mythology and we’re taking it from there.”

Foxtrol

Falthyron wrote: »

Different context, David. My argument in this thread refers to oversaturation. Having two or three Star Wars films every year is a bad thing. It dilutes the magic of anticipation, excitement, and what I fear most of all will happen: the overall quality. Would you not prefer a more infrequent release schedule allowing you time to digest the previous one? Or do you want to be force fed one film after the other until they all become a giant blur? Are you unaware of the fatigue currently being experienced by film fans with the super hero films? Do you want people tired of yet another Star Wars film in conjunction with the planned live series, and how many other cartoon series, books, comics, etc.

Too much of a good thing spoils what is good about it.

The fatigue that has Black Panther with the highest pre-sold tickets for any Marvel movie ever? Marvel don't have a issue with superhero fatigue, aside from online moaning, because they've slowly and carefully built a characters and a world that the public care about and want to see. I have full faith Disney will do similar with Star Wars as it expands.

I wouldn't call myself any sort of super fan but I do love Star Wars and read some of the old cannon books over the years. I looked at what was out there, and was in the pipeline, picked a series and read it. I didn't piss and moan that there was more books than what I could or interested in consuming. I don't see how the new cannon leveraging movie and TV in a similar fashion is any different. If you want to keep your anticipation of Star Wars then pick one of the trilogies and don't go to the others. It really isn't difficult.

I also disagree on your concerns about quality and see it as increasing the chances of different takes and opportunities for different creative views and risks. What do you think will have more shackles put on it, a franchise that releasing a movie once every 2/3 years or one that releases twice a year?

Theboinkmaster

Foxtrol wrote: »

The fatigue that has Black Panther with the highest pre-sold tickets for any Marvel movie ever? Marvel don't have a issue with superhero fatigue, aside from online moaning, because they've slowly and carefully built a characters and a world that the public care about and want to see. I have full faith Disney will do similar with Star Wars as it expands.

I wouldn't call myself any sort of super fan but I do love Star Wars and read some of the old cannon books over the years. I looked at what was out there, and was in the pipeline, picked a series and read it. I didn't piss and moan that there was more books than what I could or interested in consuming. I don't see how the new cannon leveraging movie and TV in a similar fashion is any different. If you want to keep your anticipation of Star Wars then pick one of the trilogies and don't go to the others. It really isn't difficult.

I also disagree on your concerns about quality and see it as increasing the chances of different takes and opportunities for different creative views and risks. What do you think will have more shackles put on it, a franchise that releasing a movie once every 2/3 years or one that releases twice a year?

Taking IMDB score as example:

Force Awakens 8.0
Rogue one 7.8
The last jedi 7.5

That's about right IMO and not a good trend, at the start....

tigger123

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Taking IMDB score as example:

Force Awakens 8.0
Rogue one 7.8
The last jedi 7.5

That's about right IMO and not a good trend, at the start....

Can't help but feel the online reaction to TLJ is going to skew that IMDB score. People who hate it are far more likely to vote it down than people who thought it was fine or enjoyed it. IMDB isn't a great barometer.

Skerries

I find your lack of faith disturbing

pixelburp

Supposedly Bob Iger also revealed Disney were working on a whole bunch of Star Wars TV shows for their streaming app; no details yet but the whole streaming venture by Disney is a weird one. They have a HUGE catalogue to call on, but at the same time it's not exhaustive and the market is already massively bloated. There are bound to be some casualties in the whole Streaming industry, and I can't help but feel Disney & Apple are coming in too late in the game to make the kind of waves they're hoping for. Netflix, Hulu and Amazon are the big 3 here. Apple in particular feels vulnerable.

As for the subject matter? Well, honestly? David Benioff and D.B. Weiss are hugely overrated. They lucked out adapting Game of Thrones, becoming the cult-like obsession that it is is but they're not that great IMO.

Relikk

Given that Disney control Star Wars now and it's highly unlikely, but I just hope that they're allowed to take a more serious, mature tone. I'm not expecting Game of Thrones levels of maturity, but something that's allowed to be dark and brooding. Then again, maybe it's why they hired Benioff and Weiss, to do exactly that.

Sad Professor

pixelburp wrote: »

Supposedly Bob Iger also revealed Disney were working on a whole bunch of Star Wars TV shows for their streaming app; no details yet but the whole streaming venture by Disney is a weird one. They have a HUGE catalogue to call on, but at the same time it's not exhaustive and the market is already massively bloated. There are bound to be some casualties in the whole Streaming industry, and I can't help but feel Disney & Apple are coming in too late in the game to make the kind of waves they're hoping for. Netflix, Hulu and Amazon are the big 3 here. Apple in particular feels vulnerable.

People said the same when Apple entered music streaming. Apple Music is now growing twice as fast as Spotify who still haven’t turned a profit. Apple also have a massive pile of cashing burning a hole in their pocket. They could buy Netflix or even Disney if they wanted. They don’t but getting content isn’t a problem.

dr.fuzzenstein

No cast, plots, script or even vague outline has been announced and already the moaning starts.
Why do people who hate Star Wars stick with it?

Effects

david75 wrote: »

$1.3 billion is not a drubbing. In any universe.

Money doesn't always reflect quality.

People expected more from The Last Jedi, myself included.
Just because it made a lot of money doesn't mean it was a good film.

dr.fuzzenstein

Effects wrote: »

Money doesn't always reflect quality.

People expected more from The Last Jedi, myself included.
Just because it made a lot of money doesn't mean it was a good film.

That is entirely subjective of course.
Personally I think that a lot of Star Wars fans had certain ideas of what they wanted the film to be and were dissapointed because it didn't fit their idea.
So far I think Rogue One, Force Awakens and Last Jedi are very solid movies and quality wise far above the prequels, which very extremely ropey in places.
I also find it extremely hillarious that people now whine about TLJ, when they were even louder howls of outrage when TFA came out.
There's even a Youtube video 1 HOUR LONG which is nothing but a whine about TFA.
So far I can hear 3 main complaints about TLJ.

1: Luke tossing the Lightsaber. To state that this makes the movie bad is just idiotic and childish.
Personally I find it very fitting. To him the Jedi (and himself) have failed utterly in everything they have ever done. The only result was war and death and the Empire prevailed anywy with the New Order. He is jaded, delusioned and broken. Very understandable. Had he immediately snatched the lightsaber and said "WOW!!! Of course I'll train you and then we'll go kick Kylo's BUTT!!", people would have screamed in outrage and with good cause. To me it's a lot of people just wanting to hate.
2: Rey's parents are nobodies. First of all, you have to take Kylo's word for it. Siths have been known to tell porkies. Second, had he said "Luke is your dad", the screams of outrage would have been even louder (HOW CAN THEY DO THIS, THIS IS CLICHEED AND PREDICTABLE!!!!), so there is no right answer and people will complain either way
3: Leia flying through space. I would agree on that. Kinda seemed a bit cheesy. But it's not a dealbreaker for me. Nor is it completely off the wall. She is Luke's brother and it's not unthinkable that she has a little bit of Force sensitivity or knowledge. A lot of times passed, maybe Luke taught her. There are plenty of bad and cheesy things throughout Star Wars history and that is the same for my answer for milking sea-cows and adorable little chickens.

The one thread I see running through this is "Disney RUINED Star Wars!!!!".
So it all boils down to hate of Disney I think.

I would say a lot of people think about it the way I feel about Formula 1.
To me F1 has gone completely to sh*t with their poxy little Prius hybrid drives, their stupid opening wings and over-regulation and what little racing remains gets clamped down by the stewards.
But what use whining? It is what it is and it will never go back to the glory days of howling V10's and balls out racing. it's turned from Led Zeppelin into One Direction.
I could complain, but why bother? I just don't watch it anymore.

duffman13

I love star wars and I'm delighted they can delve into the world and history more. The proof is in the pudding but people shouldn't be worried about a decrease in quality. They aren't making these movies on a shoe string Beinhoff/Weiss project sounds interesting as they picked a particular part of history they wanted to focus on. They can tell a great story while sticking close to source material, I'm excited.

I think the magic of star wars (OT) will quite likely never be replicated, it's a different era but there can still be some special stories and films made in the next few years to be excited about.

Effects

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

1: Luke tossing the Lightsaber. To state that this makes the movie bad is just idiotic and childish.

The one thread I see running through this is "Disney RUINED Star Wars!!!!".
So it all boils down to hate of Disney I think.

Luke tossing the lightsaber is fine, I didn't like the cheap laugh it sought in the way it was tossed.

Disney weren't involved in Eps 1, 2 or 3 were they?

one armed dwarf

Definitely feel like my appetite for the new Star Wars is decreasing. However it still doesn't seem like 'franchise-fatigue' is a real thing going off the Marvel universe box office numbers.

I would like to see what would happen if the numbers did dip and Disney felt compelled to space this stuff out a bit. As it is I'm worried about getting loads of films which feel sort of inconsequential by themselves as they fit into this big plan for a larger continuity.

dr.fuzzenstein

Effects wrote: »

Luke tossing the lightsaber is fine, I didn't like the cheap laugh it sought in the way it was tossed.

Disney weren't involved in Eps 1, 2 or 3 were they?

No, Ep 1-3 are what they are without the help of Disney.
Just google "Disney ruined star wars" and you will get over 600000 results

edit:
The point is, Disney didn't ruin Star Wars, I like the new films much better than the prequels, so to me Disney had a positive effect.
I guess people wanted Star Wars to grow up with them, but it was never meant to be gritty and realistic.
It's a space fairy tale. Don't expect War and Peace or Hamlet.

Theboinkmaster

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

That is entirely subjective of course.
Personally I think that a lot of Star Wars fans had certain ideas of what they wanted the film to be and were dissapointed because it didn't fit their idea.
So far I think Rogue One, Force Awakens and Last Jedi are very solid movies and quality wise far above the prequels, which very extremely ropey in places.
I also find it extremely hillarious that people now whine about TLJ, when they were even louder howls of outrage when TFA came out.
There's even a Youtube video 1 HOUR LONG which is nothing but a whine about TFA.
So far I can hear 3 main complaints about TLJ.

1: Luke tossing the Lightsaber. To state that this makes the movie bad is just idiotic and childish.
Personally I find it very fitting. To him the Jedi (and himself) have failed utterly in everything they have ever done. The only result was war and death and the Empire prevailed anywy with the New Order. He is jaded, delusioned and broken. Very understandable. Had he immediately snatched the lightsaber and said "WOW!!! Of course I'll train you and then we'll go kick Kylo's BUTT!!", people would have screamed in outrage and with good cause. To me it's a lot of people just wanting to hate.
2: Rey's parents are nobodies. First of all, you have to take Kylo's word for it. Siths have been known to tell porkies. Second, had he said "Luke is your dad", the screams of outrage would have been even louder (HOW CAN THEY DO THIS, THIS IS CLICHEED AND PREDICTABLE!!!!), so there is no right answer and people will complain either way
3: Leia flying through space. I would agree on that. Kinda seemed a bit cheesy. But it's not a dealbreaker for me. Nor is it completely off the wall. She is Luke's brother and it's not unthinkable that she has a little bit of Force sensitivity or knowledge. A lot of times passed, maybe Luke taught her. There are plenty of bad and cheesy things throughout Star Wars history and that is the same for my answer for milking sea-cows and adorable little chickens.

The one thread I see running through this is "Disney RUINED Star Wars!!!!".
So it all boils down to hate of Disney I think.

I would say a lot of people think about it the way I feel about Formula 1.
To me F1 has gone completely to sh*t with their poxy little Prius hybrid drives, their stupid opening wings and over-regulation and what little racing remains gets clamped down by the stewards.
But what use whining? It is what it is and it will never go back to the glory days of howling V10's and balls out racing. it's turned from Led Zeppelin into One Direction.
I could complain, but why bother? I just don't watch it anymore.

Off topic - belongs in TLJ thread. But they are not the main problems with TLJ they are just examples. The poor script, poor character development, weak story, misguided attempts at humour, inconsistent tone of film etc. are all the reasons why it's just a poor film and rated on IMDB below some of the prequels. Most of my friends hated the film and was the first SW film they didn't go to a second time in the cinema, myself included.

david75

So the writers of Game of thrones have been hired to write new Star Wars?

Seems a bit pointless. All the good characters have already been killed off.

Effects

david75 wrote: »

So the writers of Game of thrones have been hired to write new Star Wars?

Seems a bit pointless. All the good characters have already been killed off.

Jon Snow is still alive, so are many of the others. What are you on about?

Foxtrol

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Off topic - belongs in TLJ thread. But they are not the main problems with TLJ they are just examples. The poor script, poor character development, weak story, misguided attempts at humour, inconsistent tone of film etc. are all the reasons why it's just a poor film and rated on IMDB below some of the prequels. Most of my friends hated the film and was the first SW film they didn't go to a second time in the cinema, myself included.

I completely disagree with you on the above, where there are problems they are quite consistent throughout the OT, but in an attempt to keep this on topic, if I felt the way you do about it I’d much rather have another Star Wars movie come out in 6 months than wait another 2 years. There’s a higher chance they’ll hit the target for me and release something that is more aligned to what I hoped to see. If the lowest ranked movie they released (even ignoring the questionable ratings issues) is 7.5 then it is hardly an indictment to beat Disney with.

Agent Coulson

pixelburp wrote: »

Supposedly Bob Iger also revealed Disney were working on a whole bunch of Star Wars TV shows for their streaming app; no details yet but the whole streaming venture by Disney is a weird one. They have a HUGE catalogue to call on, but at the same time it's not exhaustive and the market is already massively bloated. There are bound to be some casualties in the whole Streaming industry, and I can't help but feel Disney & Apple are coming in too late in the game to make the kind of waves they're hoping for. Netflix, Hulu and Amazon are the big 3 here. Apple in particular feels vulnerable.

As for the subject matter? Well, honestly? David Benioff and D.B. Weiss are hugely overrated. They lucked out adapting Game of Thrones, becoming the cult-like obsession that it is is but they're not that great IMO.

When the Fox deal goes through Disney will have 75% control of Hulu and right now Hulu is a loss making company so I do find setting up their own streaming site quiet strange now.


I guess rebranding as the Mouse might help a bit and copying Netflix and Amazon by going Worldwide with it may help but with the selling of worldwide right already in play I don't see that happening for at least 5 years.

buried

Foxtrol wrote: »

I completely disagree with you on the above, where there are problems they are quite consistent throughout the OT, but in an attempt to keep this on topic, if I felt the way you do about it I’d much rather have another Star Wars movie come out in 6 months than wait another 2 years. There’s a higher chance they’ll hit the target for me and release something that is more aligned to what I hoped to see. If the lowest ranked movie they released (even ignoring the questionable ratings issues) is 7.5 then it is hardly an indictment to beat Disney with.

Nothing in the OT or the prequels was as stupid as the kamikazee light speed scene. Surely now after that poorly written thought out move, all that both armies have to do to win in the later films is just strap some idiot droids to fly huge empty ships at some other ships at light speed, seeing how it worked so well and reaching light speed is so easy in the universe of star wars! Makes you wonder why nobody thought of this tactic before, especially the evil empire/last order boyos!

Foxtrol

buried wrote: »

Nothing in the OT or the prequels was as stupid as the kamikazee light speed scene. Surely now after that poorly written thought out move, all that both armies have to do to win in the later films is just strap some idiot droids to fly huge empty ships at some other ships at light speed, seeing how it worked so well and reaching light speed is so easy in the universe of star wars! Makes you wonder why nobody thought of this tactic before, especially the evil empire/last order boyos!

Think you're in the wrong thread

Foxtrol

Agent Coulson wrote: »

When the Fox deal goes through Disney will have 75% control of Hulu and right now Hulu is a loss making company so I do find setting up their own streaming site quiet strange now.

I guess rebranding as the Mouse might help a bit and copying Netflix and Amazon by going Worldwide with it may help but with the selling of worldwide right already in play I don't see that happening for at least 5 years.

Think it’s 66% but the same difference (as it was a 3 way partnership originally). Think they’ll keep hulu separate for most of the Fox/ABC content but they’ll do package deals to subscribe to Hulu, the new ESPN service, and the Disney one.

I can see the logic as far as they have vast libraries and several universes that audiences have already bought into. They shouldn’t need as much a scattergun spend approach that Netflix is burning through cash doing. Their plan is to initially price significantly lower than Netflix so I can see them picking up viewers and then as their product expands they can increase price.

buried

Foxtrol wrote: »

Think you're in the wrong thread

Woops! Seen the Doctors post and assumed I was good to go discussing the plot of it like the Doc did. Sorry about that! Mods feel free to move it to the TLJ thread

Agent Coulson

Foxtrol wrote: »

Think it’s 66% but the same difference (as it was a 3 way partnership originally). Think they’ll keep hulu separate for most of the Fox/ABC content but they’ll do package deals to subscribe to Hulu, the new ESPN service, and the Disney one.

I can see the logic as far as they have vast libraries and several universes that audiences have already bought into. They shouldn’t need as much a scattergun spend approach that Netflix is burning through cash doing. Their plan is to initially price significantly lower than Netflix so I can see them picking up viewers and then as their product expands they can increase price.

Warner Bros have a 10% ownership which may have to be given up with their takeover by AT&T looking like it's going to happen so I think that leaves NBC standing alone with Disney that's why I was going with 75% But yet same difference Disney will be the majority owner.


The Disney Streaming site for now will be just US based and cord cutting doesn't have as big an uptake yet as some companies hoped Netflix is it right now and most of those companies don't want it to happen yet either.

Hulu & Amazon are seen a niche markets for streaming saying that I love Hulu and at $7.99 it's great value for money.

I do think im the long term Hulu will just be blended into the Disney site or Vice Versa.

Greyfox

The world's best tv writers working in a universe with endless possibilities, this will be wonderful news when someone resurrects this thread in about 4-6 years

Agent Coulson

I would say they are very overrated writers myself they have done a decent job adapting George R.R's work for screen that's about it.

Sad Professor

Yeah as writers their work has never really impressed me and generally sticks out compared to GRRM's. But Kennedy and Disney may see them more as overseers and developers of a new film saga. Constructing a 7 season tv show out of GRRM's books was no small task. And their experience of overseeing that production, producing scripts, meeting deadlines etc probably has a lot to do with why they got this gig.