You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the Left - read OP

Starfire20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121043599#Comment_121043599

"Radical Left Democrat" - hahahahahahahahaha

someones clearly been on a steady diet of right-wing US media.

the Democrats are centrist at best.

if you believe them to be "radical left" then please provide actual examples and why.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121043848#Comment_121043848

Fair point, but if we didn't discuss it all we'd have are Rapid's straw-clutching anti-left **** to discuss and even that's wearing thin at this stage.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121043866#Comment_121043866

Some special people seem far more terrified of someone with pink hair than the gun toting American Heroes like Rittenhouse and the McMichaels.

Burty330

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121043829#Comment_121043829

Adien whatever her name was, don't care. She had pronouns in the bio when she gunned down kids in a school.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044081#Comment_121044081

If you don't care let's leave it at that. The pronouns didn't kill, the shooting did.

Burty330

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044145#Comment_121044145

Only left wingers put pronouns in the bio

https://www.newsweek.com/louisville-shooter-connor-sturgeons-pronouns-spark-outrage-1793485

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044154#Comment_121044154

Are you sure the pronouns sparked outrage, not the shooting?

Right wingers give their pronouns all the time in their bios, usually without a hint of irony, such as "kiss/my/ass"

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044154#Comment_121044154

What's the connection? Only people with pronouns go on killing sprees? He used pronouns to kill people?

Think it should be pretty obvious to call that bullshit.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121043937#Comment_121043937

You're not comparing like with like.

Today, the threat from the far-left is not violence. Yes, there are a fringe number of violent cases (BLM riots etc.), but that does not constitute the overall threat. Nobody has argued that the far-left are equally as violent as the far-right today. That's nonsense. It's a strawman.

From my perspective, the threat from the far-left is not -- I repeat not, largely associated with violence -- but rather on the social and cultural damage and division the ideology wreaks into society. Whether it's arguments in favour of uncontrolled population growth; misogynistic attempts to destroy women's sport and spaces; or identity politics that seeks to pit group identity against group identity; the stifling of free speech and expression; or the attempt to introduce this divisive ideology into schools; there is an awful lot of damage that this ideology can and is causing. That's not even the least of it.

And I'm not referring to "the left" in totality, only the fringe on the radical extreme. Most on the traditional left agree with me on many of these core points. Not all, but many. Nor does it mean I'm arguing that far-right threats do not exist. They do exist, and these threats are readily and rightly discussed on the thread title that bears its name. But far-left threats in their own form also exist, and I'm highlighting some of those threats here. They deserve to be discussed, not arrogantly dismissed.

You can continue to attack the strawman that far-right violence is on one side and pronouns are on the other, but this is nothing more than a disingenuous attempt to downplay the real and legitimate threats that can and do emerge from far-left ideology.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044154#Comment_121044154

So the fùck what. Pronouns aren't murdering people ffs

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045482#Comment_121045482

TLDR

The far right is violent. There's a lot less equivalent violence from the far left. 👍

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045537#Comment_121045537

The far-right is characterised by extremism, which typically involves the application of violence.

The far-left today is characterised by radicalism, which is a very different approach:

Radical politics denotes the intent to transform or replace the fundamental principles of a society or political system, often through social change, structural change, revolution or radical reform.

Again, you're attacking a strawman; not comparing like with like. Dismissing my post with "TLDR" speaks volumes.

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045537#Comment_121045537

lol good post. It's quite something to see the mental gymnastics that poster has to go through after admitting the far right is obviously more violent than the far left... by an insane amount...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045648#Comment_121045648

How many times...

Nobody has argued that far-left and far-right violence is equivalent. Nobody, not one person. It's an invented fiction.

Threats to society can exist in different forms.

Far-right violence and far-left radicalism -- two different beasts, two very different forms of threat.

To suggest that threats to society can only exist through the means of violence is patently absurd.

If at this stage people are pretending this distinction doesn't exist, I can only assume that it's deliberate.

Flaneur OBrien

It appears that we have reached the, “Wanting to treat everyone equally and bold people to account is comparable to violence” point of the debate.

Oh goodie.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045674#Comment_121045674

I thought it was the point where the thread equates being murdered with guns and having your feelings hurt because someone used pronouns on their twitter profile and anyone could end up reading those pronouns.

Let that sink in anyone could read those pronouns which is obviously a lot worse than being murdered by a gun.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045482#Comment_121045482

From my perspective, the threat from the far-left is not -- I repeat not, largely associated with violence

That's not my argument - but to fair, I think is is someone else;s.

My argument is that you deliberately post far left incidents in a left thread in order to combine the two and blur the lines. Not one of your posts is moderate left and all are just thinly veiled attacks on left-wing ideas and policies. The intent of this is to stir up and incite hate - although it may be unintentional - which is why I call you a threat.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045723#Comment_121045723

My argument is that you deliberately post far left incidents in a left thread in order to combine the two and blur the lines.

Yes, that's exactly what I do -- but not for the latter reason.

Violence is largely irrelevant to the criticisms I make of the far-left. I focus on policy and its potential and actual implications.

Not one of your posts is moderate left and all are just thinly veiled attacks on left-wing ideas and policies.

That's true, but there's nothing thinly veiled about it.

The intent of this is to stir up and incite hate - although it may be unintentional - which is why I call you a threat.

Criticising political ideas is never hateful, no matter how many times you repeat this line. You just don't want the policies critiqued.

Let me ask you a question: can you name some policies / positions espoused by the radical far-left that you deeply oppose introducing into society?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045753#Comment_121045753

You don't focus on policy, you focus on incidents. Take the bondage-in-kindergraten link. That was in incident, you claimed it was policy.

You don't criticise political ideas, you attack marginal left-wing groups with propaganda - case in point: trans education in schools.

Before I answer your quesion, you need to clarify "far-left policy" - because most of what YOU think are far-left I'm not going to see as far-left. I'd be inclined to think anarchy off the top of my head, because I think it can only work on a small-scale level.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045807#Comment_121045807

If your characterisation of far-left or left radicalism is only "anarchy" or nothing, then it doesn't matter what policy / positions I put forward.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045832#Comment_121045832

It would be interesting to see where you draw the line between left and far left.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045832#Comment_121045832

I didn't think it was, which is exactly why I was asking. I mean, I'm against the use of violence as portrayed by Sarah Baker, if that helps and I'm against any sexualised material in prmary schools. the bondage pic is an example: if they'd been two guys in normal clothing kissing, I;d have been fine with it. But the bondage was too much.

Does that answer? If not, then you'll need to give me examples of what you mean by far left as oppose d to moderate, because I think we're going to differ there.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045870#Comment_121045870

Then you agree with me that the far-left can and does go too far.

The examples you cite are among the same kind of criticisms I tend to make. There's nothing "hateful" about identifying these mistakes, it's incumbent upon society to identify them and weed them out.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045859#Comment_121045859

They don't

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045888#Comment_121045888

Yeah, but you use them to attack the left as a whole. And again, there's the issue with trans education in schools which you use to attack the trans community. THAT'S the difference.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121046007#Comment_121046007

Lies.

Here is what I said a short time ago:

And I'm not referring to "the left" in totality, only the fringe on the radical extreme. Most on the traditional left agree with me on many of these core points. 

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121046007#Comment_121046007

Exactly. The far right borderline don't exist while the far left controls everything it seems. Also, the two are identical but only one ever gets criticised. Any time someone criticises the far right, they're met with whatabouteries and both sides.

Since pronouns aren't killing people, I can conclude that there's no threat from the left. Honestly, a lot of this stuff seems to be people trawling the internet for American gack to get outraged by.

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121046021#Comment_121046021

Yes, The far left "radicalises" people but the violence committed by the far right doesn't mean those far right people were "radicalised". If the far right even exists of course... many far right people want to portray themselves as normal people and not the racist, homophobic scum that they are... for obvious reasons.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121046021#Comment_121046021

Also, the two are identical but only one ever gets criticised.

Because this thread is only about one side. Another thread already and rightly discusses the threats from the far-right.

Any time someone criticises the far right, they're met with whatabouteries and both sides.

Precisely because it is whataboutery. Look at the thread title.

This isn't a competition, where we must decide whether threats only come from one side. And when threats from the far-left are identified, we don't need to qualify that identification by reference to the far-right. It doesn't mean we're saying no threat exists from the far-right.

In other words, they are mutually exclusive threats.

Since pronouns aren't killing people, I can conclude that there's no threat from the left.

That's just a silly non-sequitur, straw man, and red herring.

Burty330

If a shooter is on the right , that means the threat comes from the right. But if a shooter is on the left , there is no threat from the left...