You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the Left - read OP

Dyr

All this time we've been listening to the media purse clutching about Nazis and Fascists who we never actually see in the wild, and yet they ignore the extremism of the left that has entered our mainstream to a far greater degree.

Political violence and criminality in this country is an almost entirely left wing phenomenon, whether it's the gangsterism of terrorist groups like the drug dealing leftovers of the IRSP, Sinn Fein/IRAs links to gangsters like Gerry Hutch or the normalisation of violent gangs like Antifa by political parties with elected TDs in our parliament, not to mention their enthusiasm for foreign terrorist gropups like Hamas. The same political parties who act as mouthpieces for Vladimir Putins propaganda, including the current President, who, when not eulogizing dictators is using his office to support his wifes Putinist dribble.

Ordinary tax paying people on the right wish to conserve the social order and would have no truck with revolutionary lunacy. Yet, when we look at the left. who have the ear of the media, we realise that revolution and overthrow of our established order is exactly what they want.

Feel free to post the other dangers we see emerging from the left. It's important that they are documented.

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El_Duderino 09

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“Feel free to post the other dangers we see emerging from the left. It's important that they are documented.”

Gender neutral toilets?

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120354878#Comment_120354878

Addendum: “Feel free to post the other dangers we see emerging from the left, unless you have a long list of moderator titles (bit sad that, really). It's important that they are documented.”

The threat to the safety of woman and girls is another danger that's coming from the left but debating it here tends to inspire vindictive behaviour from certain quarters.

Jim_Hodge

Feel free but terms and conditions apply?

Sounds like a leftist move that.

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120354919#Comment_120354919

I knew I should have quoted your original post as this edited version hides the conditions you applied.

Typical rightist behaviour.

nullzero

Gino Kenny (People Before Profit) TD has a manifesto which suggests that FF and FG are far right parties that are setting up grass roots far right groups.

He also suggests that were a left leaning government to be elected next time out that FF and FG would mobilise the Gardai and Defence Forces to lead a coup against said left leaning government.

This is an elected representative saying this stuff. His party who hold four seats in the Dail had to sign off on this manifesto being published.

The National Party for example on the far right aren't within an asses roar of Dail Eireann yet they're somehow a much greater theat to this country than elected TD's who are clearly not shuffling a full deck.

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356146#Comment_120356146

I think we're meant to just repeat the posts in the "Wrong direction....Right" thread. Ain't gonna happen.

_Kaiser_

Yea yea, very "edgy" guys, but the reality is that a lot of these notions from supposed "liberals" come wrapped in a layer of "you're with us or else.." that is hugely ironic - cancel culture, revisionism, censorship etc etc.

Plus, at least here in Ireland, these issues and agendas simply don't fit into our generally easy going "be grand" attitude to most things. They're imported increasingly wholesale from the US which is a country deeply divided and getting worse, and as a result they clash with our own culture and history resulting in the online arguments seen all over this forum.

The problem is that most people don't like being told what to believe (or else!) and especially when what they're being told makes no practical sense in the real world, or blatantly contradicts reality and facts - the whole gender identity argument for example. Believe what you want sure, but you don't get to force that belief on others, or attack them for not enthusiastically advocating for your belief.

Similarly the notion that immigration is inherently good. It certainly can be, but only so long as it's done in a sustainable way and where the new arrivals have skills to offer, the means to support themselves, and want to integrate into our society - not expect us to adapt to them and give them more favorable treatment.

It's that sort of thing that is causing friction and will set us down the same path of serious social problems if we're not careful.

TheIrishGrover

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Have fun. Believe what you want. Everyone is entitled. Just don't try to force them upon people

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356344#Comment_120356344

"Believe what you want sure, but you don't get to force that belief on others, or attack them for not enthusiastically advocating for your belief."

Those on the right would be wise to heed your excellent advice.

As is regularly done by the right-wing minority in Ireland? Did you skip the info on the "Irish First" party posted earlier? The threat's not coming from the left there, they're calling for civil war and firearms for all.

Immigration is generally good, immigrants are grateful and hard working and contribute taxes to the coffers. How immigration is handled is a challenge to every government; pre-Ukraine, we all had the same complaints about the Irish government. If immigration would drop tomorrow, they'd continue for the foreseeable future.

You don't have to see how ugly it is as far away as the US; the UK is even denying asylum seekers any way to ask for asylum and spending hundreds of millions of pounds on this. The money spent goes nowhere (except into the coffers of the well-connected).

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356415#Comment_120356415

Sweden sure had a great time with the let all asylum seekers/refugees we can take and silence anybody speaking out. So much of a good time that their left wing neighbours in Denmark have actively turned against taking refugees/asylum seekers. But keep spinning the all immigration is good line when we have a country that can only manage to build half the houses it currently needs for the people that are already here and has problems with healthcare/public transport provision etc.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356450#Comment_120356450

Nothing you posted contradicts; your problem's with the Swedish government. And did Denmark's government say, "See what happened in Sweden? That can happen to us!" or give other reasons for whatever policy you claim they've undertaken?

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356470#Comment_120356470

Sweden did exactly what is happening here now. Allowed in almost unlimited asylum seekers/refugees and dumped them in areas that couldn't sustain it. Here's an easy one for you to answer - are you in favour of just letting everybody in? All immigration is good. If so, explain how that will work beyond hopes and dreams and virtue signalling. Bonus points if you don't mention far right or racism.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356415#Comment_120356415

Who are the Irish first party? I've never heard of them, any elected representatives?

I've heard of the MEPs Mick Wallace and Clare Daly, although the Irish media didnt seem too pushed about grilling them on their extremist ideology and support for whoatever dictator de jure happens to be at war with the west.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356484#Comment_120356484

It's a matter of resources, obviously. Ireland spends in a lot of areas, some too much (the dole jumps to mind, plus allowing the RCC to agree to penalties for their crimes, then never collecting them.) But the budget has a regular surplus, so the money is there to solve some of the structural problems.

Anyone eligible for asylum should be allowed in. I don't think criminals should be eligible, do you? Those coming in with false identities shouldn't be allowed in. Those coming in with no papers should be vetted by immigration/gardai and a decision made.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356494#Comment_120356494

Apparently that 'party' just started. With voters like you, they'll soon have seats.

Mick Wallace and Clare Daly should be recalled, odious Putinbots that they are.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356545#Comment_120356545

How did we only find out that Mick and Clare are unhinged extremists AFTER they wound up in Brussels? It's almost like left wing extremism is normalised in Ireland. We still have smurphy and rich boy barrett swanning around the Dáil, no hard interviews on their extremism.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356415#Comment_120356415

Ireland First are a brand new entity.

Doubtlessly looking to capitalise on the enormous groundswell of support for existing right/far right parties in Ireland who made up a whopping <1% on the vote at the last general election.

Meanwhile we have actual sitting TD's of various shades of left/far left in the Dail right now, some of whom are demonstrably insane and whilst reasonably benign whilst in opposition could wreak havoc if they were to ever find themselves in a government coalition.

I've got no time for the far right, but in Ireland we have actual far left politicians sitting in our parliament right now. By any reasonable measure any potential threat to the stability of this country from extremist ideologies would be coming from the far left as it is far more likely to be the cause of such issues than the largely hobbyist far right chancers we have in this country.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356545#Comment_120356545

As entertaining as it would be to see a glorified whatsapp group win seats in the Dáil, your prediction is unlikely and indicitive of the hysteria around right wing "extremism" while we have actual communists and narco paramilitaries hoping to form a government after the next election.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356930#Comment_120356930

Actual communists? Who would that be? Name names. As far as I can see, the Ireland Communist Party is something that exists in name only.

And who are these narco paramilitaries? FWIW, typical narcos (the real-life south american ones) aren't on the left at all. They like the status quo with them in charge.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357077#Comment_120357077

All of people before profit and whatever AAA featuring splitter murphy is called now are communists. Unless you want to pretend that Trotskyites are not communists

The surveillance recordings of SF councillor/amateur torturer and hitman Dowdall showed that the Shinners are still up to their necks with drugs gangs in Ireland. No other western European country would have an oppostion party where the leaders protege turned out to be a murdering gangster and they still remain as leader.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357122#Comment_120357122

So, no facts, just opinion with communists under every rock. And Dowdall's off to witness protection as far as I can tell, where do you get that he was 'a leaders protege?'

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357149#Comment_120357149

Are you denying that these parties are trotskyites?

Are you denying that SF councillor dowdall was convicted of torture and pleaded guilty his involvement in the murder a rival gangland figure and was subsequently recorded discussing all of this with gang leader Gerry Hutch en route to meet with "IRA" godfathers, also discussing SF recieving money from Hutch?

Are you denying thatt dowdall was selected to run in McDonalds constituency and was endorsed by her in the media?

Because if you are then you're a great example of the wilfull myopia in Ireland when it comes to left wing extremism, so thanks for that.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357204#Comment_120357204

I'm denying your characterizations; calling them 'communists' is lazy until you actually provide proof - just your opinion. I'm not familiar with them beyond the PbP **** with their 'water should be free' nonsense and have no use for the lot. But I've no use for the 'communists under the bed' meme you and others who seem to post around the same times you do trot out.

You described the criminal Dowdall, no question he's a bad actor. You words were protege, did she train him for the role? Or was he the one on the council that she personally chose? I imagine she's endorsed a lot of Sinn Fein candidates, if Martin or Varadkar endorsed someone you despise, would that person be their protege by your reasoning.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357226#Comment_120357226

You mean proof like wikipedia describing them as Trots?

You take issues with describing dowdall as her protege? Do you think any councillor in her constituency is put forward for election without her blessing? she described as “a very popular and respected member of his community and he will be missed in his elected role by me, the local party organisation and by local constituents”. That's my reasoning. I don't think Martin or Varadker have ever endorsed a gangland torturer so we can ignore that red herring.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357226#Comment_120357226

On another thread there was a big deal made about the fact that Communism was/is the final achievement of a socialist regime.

It was argued by left leaning commentators that regimes such as the USSR and Maoist China were never truly communist but rather attempting to achieve communism as an end goal.

In a Democratic society like Ireland where a socialist regime is not in place but the freedom to espouse any political view is acceptable a political party with communist ideals could reasonably be described as socialist/Trotskyist etc and vice versa.

People Before Profit are a party that self identify as Trotskyist so therefore could reasonably be described as Communist. The same is true of the Solidarity party who also have a TD in the Dail currently. These parties are affiliated with RISE who are also self described as Trotskyist and want to bring an end to "capitalist private property".

That's before we get to Sinn Fein, the party with the most support in the last general election. Left wing and with proposals for economic reform that would plunge the Irish economy back to the 1980's. And that's before the "associated issues" that come with them are discussed. Let's not forget that Dowdall was a serving SF Councillor when the shenanigans he was involved in with the Monk occured.

But yeah, the piddling amorphous blob that is the Irish far right are what we should be really wary of.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357204#Comment_120357204

We could talk about the Paul Murphy organized anti water charge protest in Jobstown, where he, a left wing politician of note led an angry mob to trap Tainiste Joan Burton in her car and threaten her amongst other general anti social behaviour.

Something Paul Murphy has no regrets about and feels was a productive day at the office. This from a champagne socialist who attended the most expensive secondary school in Ireland before studying law at UCD. A real relatable man of the people.

Or how about Ruth Coppinger who has no problem throwing accusations around like confetti without thought for the consequences (see the carlow school uniform debacle) and making sweeping statements about whatever group is in her sights at a given time.

Then there's Hazel Chu (Greens) who spent her time as lord mayor of Dublin shouting as loud as she could at every opportunity about how Ireland is so institutionally racist that she quite easily managed to do very well for herself as an elected official. She also attempted to accuse the Gardai of institutionalised racism after the George Nchenko case which she contended (as did all of the people in this post) that the Gardai routinely harassed and shot black people.

These people are, or have been holders of public office in this country.

Justin Barrett is an angry little racist who is the Head of the National Party. He routinely speaks to crowds of often two dozen people and quotes Mein Kampf and is rightly ridiculed and despised. He is not and has never been a holder of public office in Ireland.

Which group is 1, larger? And 2, more of a risk to this country?

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357337#Comment_120357337

Jobstown Verdict: Six defendants found not guilty

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20453768.html

Jobstown trial: Six cleared of Burton false imprisonment

Paul Murphy and five co-defendants cleared over 2014 water charges protest

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/jobstown-trial-six-cleared-of-burton-false-imprisonment-1.3137761

Jobstown trial: Six found not guilty of falsely imprisoning Joan Burton

The jury of seven men and four women returned the unanimous verdicts after just over three hours of deliberations

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jobstown-trial-six-found-not-10708802

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120361256#Comment_120361256

Does that verdict validate their actions?

rossie1977

There is no left in western society. What we have are a few stragglers shouting at the clouds.

Every European country has had a right wing government since the fall of the Berlin Wall ranging from the neo liberal Nordic countries and France/UK/Ireland to the overtly fascistic administrations now ruling the likes of Hungary and Poland. Parties that once were defined as left wing like Labour here and the UK moved to centre right in the 1990s.

Sinn Finn are populist too. Religion plays a key role in their identity and religion plays no part in hard left politics so they can easily flip from populist left to populist right like Trump and Putin have done.

Calling Paul Murphy and Hazel Chu communists is downright laughable. Yeah the next Stalins or Pol Pots no doubt

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120361661#Comment_120361661

The far left are in the Dail right now. Not a bunch of stragglers by any means.

The far right are nowhere near it. They are a bunch stragglers.

We have a centerist government. Not a right wing government.

Paul Murphy describes himself as a socialist (far left) politician/activist. This is a description People Before Profit and their affiliates also choose for themselves.

Nobody has said any of these people are the next stalin or pol pot.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120361810#Comment_120361810

Since when is socialist far left? Socialism as anything left of "centre left" - traditional social democracy. Communism is far left.

The reactionary right has been involved in a concerted effort to shift the overton window to the right however. With historically centre and centre right policies now being characterised as left, or even far left in some instances.

Having and expressing some common decency towards other people is now seen as far left for example.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120361940#Comment_120361940

The end goal of socialism is Communism supposedly.

I've had left wing posters on this site ram that down my troath over and over again.

So what is it? Seemingly the USSR and Maoist China weren't communist, merely socialist attempting to achieve communism.

The left don't have a monopoly on common decency. So I'm not sure what you're getting at there.

People Before Profit and their associates describe themselves as Trotskyists, is that a reasonable enough reason to say their far left in your book?

TagoMago

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058288119/youve-been-looking-in-the-wrong-direction-the-dangers-are-coming-from-the-left

Interesting, from everything I have read the modern left are a bunch of weakling beta males who spend all day crying about others getting their pronouns wrong and couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag... but they're actually a highly trained militia planning a violent political upheaval?

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120362280#Comment_120362280

Communists see socialism as a step on the way towards communism. Socialists don't however. Saying its the end goal however is like saying if you take the Westport train from Dublin you cant get off in Athlone because the end destination is Westport.

Also, if you read what I wrote, i didn't say the left had monopoly on common decency, what I in fact said was traditional "centre right" ideals such as respect for others and common decency now get characterised by the reactionary right as "far left", "woke", "beta", "libtard" etc. in a deliberate and concerted effort to shift the extreme right towards the maintstream.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120361459#Comment_120361459

Does that verdict align with your claims?

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120362280#Comment_120362280

Any link to where PBP "describe themselves as Trotskyists"?

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120362433#Comment_120362433

Do you believe it aligns with reality?

Was a person confined to a vehicle against their will?

Do you believe every verdict reached in the Irish courts is typically correct?

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120362444#Comment_120362444

I'm sure you can find that page and read the citations yourself.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120362432#Comment_120362432

If you ththat elected Irish socialsists are common sense merchant s you might want to take a peek at Gino Kenn's recent manifesto. If you come away from that believing he's anything other than a far left crackpot you mustn't be reading it properly.

I'm not sure your assertions about common decency can be substantiated but I'd like to see the evidence you can provide to do so.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120362579#Comment_120362579

Here is a link to a site where everyday people label folks a "woke", "beta" "far left" etc etc for expressing any opinion that advocates an ounce of compassion for anyone they dont consider as part of their "in group". Have a read for yourself.

https://www.boards.ie/

Dslatt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357337#Comment_120357337

Here lad I'm a card carrying socialist. Paul Murphy and Hazel Chu are morons. Most of us have a bit of cop on, we just want a caring society for all.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120362616#Comment_120362616

That's kind of the important threat. I got the auto-reply about 'See! They're trostskyites! But, really, are they a threat? They agitated for free water, and behaved badly, were arrested, tried and acquitted.

So, the point of the thread is, 'what's the threat?' Because Irish right-wingers agitating until some homeless camp gets attacked, well, that sounds like a threat. And some nasty right-wing party wanting guns and civil war, that's a threat.

And far more likely to be impactful sooner, than some champagne socialists and trotskyite wannabees.

FFS the US has had a communist party fielding candidates forever, along with a "Socialist Worker's party." So what? Kind of like trotskyites in Ireland. So what? Are they a threat? Free water's kind of nice!

Dslatt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120362645#Comment_120362645

Plus, everybody from the far left to the far right wanted no water charges, the horseshoe theory in action!

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120362616#Comment_120362616

Card carrying? Must be nice, lad.

Odd that those morons are the most vocal representatives of socialism in Ireland. Surely the majority of you could have done something about that by now?

Dslatt

except the greens, but fcuk them and the electric bike they rode in on

Dslatt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120362656#Comment_120362656

You are aware of how many FFG voters despise Martin and Varadkaar right?

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120362605#Comment_120362605

There's a lot of far left people there too amongst others.

Perhaps you should find an echo chamber somewhere that would be more suited to you if you tried.

Dslatt

Look man whats the issue you have, is it the trans thing? Is it the maybe we should possibly consider the environment somehow thing, is it the can we maybe not be awful to minorities thing or is it the we should use our taxes to provided free school and healthcare thing? I've a heap of conservative friends, they are not all raging little Hitlers, much like not every lefty spends their life freaking out on twitter

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120362676#Comment_120362676

None of those things are my "issue".

I have a problem with the notion that the far right are a huge problem in Ireland when we actually have sitting TD's in the Dail on the far left.

Don't get me wrong, the far right deserve criticism but we have actual loonies (see Gino Kenny) in the Dail right now. Who is in a position to do more damage? It should be obvious.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120362732#Comment_120362732

Gino's been in the Dail for how long? And, what's he done (other than act the maggot?) Medical marijuana and assisted suicide are far from threats to Ireland, even right-wingitty places like the US have both, medical marijuana nationwide and assisted suicide in some states.

Versus, say, that lad from the Ireland First party that bullied the women in the charity shop? Then formed a party agitating for armed insurrection?