You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the Left - read OP

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121052895#Comment_121052895

Lol.

And the left wing are called “snowflakes”? Look at the emotional tone you have to take here.

”Mercilessly harassed, hounded and bullied” Who? Roisin Murphy? It was her record label that makes that decision. No one else. And if they do cease all publicity and marketing (I highly doubt they will), that will be made on a commercial basis. I would assume Roisin Murphy has more fans that would be allies of trans people, than anti-trans folk.

I assume you saw the apology that was on the same page? Where she acknowledged how heartbreaking it was for some of her fans? Looking for tolerance for all?

What we have here is a storm in a chocolate teapot. Utterly useless and won’t last.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121052895#Comment_121052895

Few things wrong there:

1 - "the majority" - anyone who ever uses the phrase "the majority" has no Idea what "the majority" think.

2 - Even if the majority think it, doesn't make it fact: in 1492, "the majority" thought the Earth was flat.

3 - denying something based on perceived morality is not 'care for kids' - the history of the Christian Brothers should have thought you that

4 - you don't know anything about puberty blockers. Of course., neither do I, but I'm not claiming I do.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121052895#Comment_121052895

It's bullying people into accepting something they know to be wrong, then gaslighting them on top of that.

In decades to come, we'll look back on this phase of history with shame.

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121054710#Comment_121054710

In Sharron Davies case, they track down her kids and bully them too

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/11/sharron-davies-trans-activists-sport-children-abuse/

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121054752#Comment_121054752

This kind of bullying never happened with the gay rights movement.

When abuse and threats and attempts to silence all dissenting voices are instead used, you have to question the motives of those involved -- as well as their own confidence in their own claims.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121054710#Comment_121054710

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121054792#Comment_121054792

You have an unusual, but not unsurprising take on history 🤔

This kind of bullying never happened with the gay rights movement? It’s only now that the Irish Government has taken steps towards acknowledging that consensual sex between gay men should never have been unlawful in the first place! 🤨

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/historical-convictions-for-sex-between-men-in-ireland-to-be-disregarded-1491906.html

You won’t look back on this phase of history with shame at all, you’ll still be as confident in your claims as you are now. The only thing that’ll be different is the world around you will have moved on.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121054710#Comment_121054710

BELIEVE to be wrong, not “know to be wrong”.

Very important distinction there.

And has history ever looked back from bullying minorities (trans people in this case) with pride? You’ll be proven wrong there as well.

chopperbyrne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121055118#Comment_121055118

You've completely misunderstood what he said.

Gay rights activists never harassed the children or employers of people who disagreed with them.

eightieschewbaccy

Also over the years, certain writers who were homophobes absolutely faced boycotts etc. Eg the Enders Game movie faced boycotts cause Orson Scott Card is a massive homophobe.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121055369#Comment_121055369

Boycotts and bullying are two very different things.

In a disgraceful turn of events, Sarah Jane Baker has been cleared of inciting violence.

A transgender activist who told a crowd to "punch a terf" has been cleared of intentionally encouraging the commission of an offence.

Sarah Jane Baker made the comment at a Trans+ Pride rally in the capital, City of London Magistrates' Court heard.

If Tommy Robison spoke to 5,000 people at a rally, saying that a certain group should be "punched in the face", you can be sure that the people defending Baker's words would very quickly condemn Robinson. There is no consistency here.

And this, after a transgender activist repeatedly punched a woman in Scotland just a few weeks after Baker's remarks:

A feminist campaigner was allegedly assaulted by a trans activist during a women's rights rally in Aberdeen on Sunday.

A trans activist then stole one of our banners. I tried to get it off them but they refused. Julie then came to assist and again they refused. She explained it was her banner and in the tussle that ensued, he violently punched her on the side of the head just above her right eye, sending her glasses flying and punched her on the arm.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121055364#Comment_121055364

I have indeed misunderstood what he said. I was being objective in reading both posts together to come up with this interpretation:

It's bullying people into accepting something they know to be wrong, then gaslighting them on top of that.

When abuse and threats and attempts to silence all dissenting voices are instead used, you have to question the motives of those involved -- as well as their own confidence in their own claims.

Your own interpretation is awfully specific too, but the idea that gay rights activists didn’t harass and abuse people would also be historically inaccurate -

https://youtu.be/dS91gT3XT_A?si=GfgOgPSKwlw9Awv-

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-gay-activists-challenged-politics-civility-180969579/#:~:text=They%20decided%20that%20civility%20was,that%20justified%20their%20painful%20deaths.

One of the more memorable and I don’t mind saying it was frankly shameful incidents, was the actions of Harvey Milk in throwing his former lovers ex under the bus by outing him when he prevented the assassination of President Gerald Ford:

On psychiatric disability leave from the military, Sipple refused to call himself a hero and did not want his sexuality disclosed. Milk, however, took advantage of the opportunity to illustrate his cause that public perception of gay people would be improved if they came out of the closet. He told a friend: "It's too good an opportunity. For once we can show that gays do heroic things, not just all that ca-ca about molesting children and hanging out in bathrooms."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Milk

It was more than mere disagreement with them which motivated their actions. It doesn’t mean what they did was right, or that their actions were justifiable, but this idea that gay rights activists were always squeaky clean never-put-a-foot-wrong civil sorts, compared to what today are identifiable as militant activists who behave in a most uncivil manner towards people who disagree with them?

Well that’s simply not true. The only reason they appear in the history books at all is because of their actions which brought attention to their cause - both positive, and indeed negative, and that won’t be any different in 50 years time when someone else is making similar claims, likely using trans rights activists by way of declaring those activists behaviour is most uncivil, trans activists never did that sort of thing 🙄

IlovemybrickFC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121055784#Comment_121055784

A good friend of mine attended a Pride celebration in the UK recently and was threatened by these people chanting “gay, gay go away”. At PRIDE!!!

Her crime ? Wearing an LGB Alliance badge - which she joined as Stonewall called her a bigot and a “sexual racist” for refusing to have sex with biologically intact men who call themselves lesbians.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121055784#Comment_121055784

on the plus side, given the title of the thread, if one left wing group wants to take lumps out of another left wing group, and there's no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121055784#Comment_121055784

In a disgraceful turn of events, Sarah Jane Baker has been cleared of inciting violence.

Feckall disgraceful about it, you’re demanding consistency, well there it is!

Part that did make me chuckle though:

Giving evidence, Baker said she wished she could take the words back and that she had friends who were trans-exclusionary radical feminists.

Similar to the “I have a black/gay friend” comment that gets deployed to justify reasons why someone can’t be racist, homophobic, etc. Good for the goose I guess 😏

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121055830#Comment_121055830

Homophobia forms a large part of the activist movement.

Recently, a lesbian-only meet-up group had their events cancelled because they refused to allow biological males who identify as lesbians to be part of their events:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kymw1MZRIpc

Why moderate left-wing people want to be associated with the new homophobia is beyond me. It's homophobia wrapped up in the language of human rights, and I find it utterly vile.

maik3n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121055364#Comment_121055364

I wouldn't put money on that. We might be surprised by what activists of all persuasions, may have gotten up to, back in the olden days.

We just didn't know about it. With the age of the internet and social media specifically, we know a lot more now.

So while I have some sympathy for Sharon, I don't think her case is necessarily reflective of trans activists as a whole but more a reflection of the toxic culture war in our wider society and the fact that people feel emboldened to continue their arguments offline.

OEJ is correct though, in that eskimo has a very blinkered recollection of the fight for gay rights over the past 50 years.

This meme immediately sprand to mind.

IlovemybrickFC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121055902#Comment_121055902

I agree - I saw the damage that homophobia has done over the years and it is deeply concerning to see it on the rise again - from people tho claim the be victims. I read online one of these people saying something akin to “what is happening is worse than anything the LGBTQIA2S+ community ever went through (referring to male rapists being housed in male prisons although they claim to be women).

Worse than violence, worse than people losing jobs for being gay, worse than AIDS ??? The narcissistic side of these people never fail to disgust me.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121055979#Comment_121055979

Stonewall and other former liberal organizations are crowbarring sexual preference as "same gender attracted" rather than "same sex attracted". The implications of that subtle language change may seem, on the face of it, to be somewhat benign. But it has catastrophic consequences for gay and lesbian people.

It's also the absolute height of arrogance to completely erase the definition of what it meant to be gay or lesbian.

Take what happened with the largest lesbian dating app, HER. Robyn Exton, its founder, said the following:

“We have a very big thriving lesbian community on HER, and so we want to make that message really clear,” Robyn Exton, who founded the platform in 2015, told NBC News on Friday. “All lesbians are welcome and celebrated on HER — trans lesbians, nonbinary lesbians.”

In honor of Lesbian Visibility Day on Wednesday, the HER team published a blog post titled: “This Lesbian Visibility Day, We Are Reclaiming ‘Lesbian.’” The post, which was written by Exton, expresses support for trans and nonbinary lesbians and pushes back against those who don’t.

“There’s no such thing as a ‘real lesbian.’ But being a genuinely lousy human? Oh, that’s a thing. Join us in honoring trans and non-binary lesbians today and forever,” the post said.

No such thing as a real lesbian? Really!?

The erasure of what it means to be a lesbian is bad enough, but to gaslight lesbians by saying they are the ones in the wrong for not wanting to date an intact biological male who identifies as a lesbian, is the very worst part of it all.

Again, how can anyone possibly support what is quite clearly a homophobic perspective? Many on the left should hang their heads in shame for sitting on the side-lines, watching this unfold without a care in the world.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121055489#Comment_121055489

Shall we ignore the fact that individual trans people are frequently harassed? Eg Graham Linehan who most definitely bullied plenty of individuals via Twitter because they were trans. I don't support bullying individuals for the record but you on the other hand seem to outright excuse it in some cases. Record labels also absolutely have a right to drop an act if they're bad pr etc.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121056370#Comment_121056370

Do you agree with the principle that the terms gay and lesbian should be defined as "same gender attracted"?

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121056386#Comment_121056386

And there we go, you've moved onto a new outrage point....

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121054792#Comment_121054792

This kind of bullying never happened with the gay rights movement

yours is an incredibly dangerous form of ignorance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121055364#Comment_121055364

Because if they did they would have been murdered because of the same people now seen having to apologize on social media for their hatred and intolerance.

the ignorance on display here of history is baffling. “Gaslighting”

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121055830#Comment_121055830

Tell your friend to sign up for an account and they can try and launder this themself.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121055784#Comment_121055784

It’s a “disgrace” that the court did its due duty? Lol okay

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121056448#Comment_121056448

FYI, LGB Alliance has several of the hallmarks of a hate group. I'd be taking that with a veritable pillar of salt.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121056470#Comment_121056470

Oh I completely understand. The LGB group is a thinly veiled TERF hate group

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121054710#Comment_121054710

... into something the FEEL is wrong... - big difference.

And were;t you bullying transteenagrs for saying they should be denied an education about themselves? Bullying isn't always violent you know.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121056645#Comment_121056645

No I didn't. I asked why you find it so hard to believe

You don’t know it’s real yourself so why argue the point if you don't like argument.

Waffle waffle, I provide receipts and supporting evidence for the things I say and if I ever give a personal story I invite people usually in the same post to take it with the appropriate pinch of salt. That way I don’t have to care if you like it or not: they’re facts

‘my very close friend got abused by the gays’ is rather second hand outrage with little to support it actually having happened. If you want to pretend it happened then it would have had to have been for emblazoning the LGB alliance logo, a known TERF hate group.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121056660#Comment_121056660

Have you ever been to a Pride event?