Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122130795#Comment_122130795

You don't ascribe, that shows the comment was close to the bone and now validated as such

In regards to othering if you do believe in this as a legitimate concept and not just a baseless tactic introduced to support baseless retorts; then you have just perpetrated same by ascribing myself as right wing and conflating that with 'what is wrong'

Further you then specifically bring the sex of a commentator into the commentary demonstrating explicit underlying sexist bias

You should re-familiarise yourself with the definition of misogyny. Criticisms of professionals and organizations is not off limits just because they are led or have a heavy gender bias (of women) but to respond with a vacuous allegation of misogyny just confirms the legitimacy of the initial criticism

There are many brilliant and insightful women in our society, women far more brilliant and insightful than me, chemists, biologists, doctors, solicitors, actuaries, they solve problems and save lives everyday. The most recent noble laureate in physics was a women who's research may one day save the entire planet

There is no need for one to demonstrate the commonality of the state and state funded private organisations with any particular ideology (National Socialists), they will do that for themselves

Same state actors through their actions are currently undermining the integrity of it's citizens labour and housing rights in preference to people with no legal entitlement to citizenry rights

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122130799#Comment_122130799

The more you provide the more will come. There is an unlimited supply of Asylum seekers. The less we give the less will come. If we gave nothing at all for instance like China and EVERY African country then we would receive none.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131407#Comment_122131407

You keep repeating that females stop mentally developing at 15, you introduced this, you are repeating this, nobody else.

I stated that educational paths diverge at 15 and that a persons logical knowledge gained thereafter would also diverge

No the op poster I replied to introduced this and that you then defended it.

You also seem to be confused. You say you didn't say it. Then in the same post you say you said it.

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RobbieTheRobber

Of yeah it's all the greens fault.

If the greens were not a minority partner in this coalition with the F's there would be no refugees.

Can't believe the green party have done this to us.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131360#Comment_122131360

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airy fairy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122130972#Comment_122130972

I didn't realise who I was initially replying to, you tend to try vex people on this thread in particular.

Yes, soaps and sanitary products are provided for, for AS, when in state accommodation.

But let's get realistic here, who has on lower wage in this country, the means to spend €38 on razors and extras? I'm on a decent wage, but between myself and my partner, we don't have €76 as pocket money for extra food and nice stuff a week.

Get real.

Meals are provided, snacks are provided. Fresh fruit is provided. Let's not forget, these people are fleeing wartorn situations, looking for nice extras shouldn't be their priority.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122130920#Comment_122130920

Having likely faced the real prospect of death crossing the med.

And the real prospect of death crossing the english channel.

And not having been deterred by the possibility of living in a scabies infested tent.

I can't imagine a cut to pocket money being a deciding factor.

It'll only increase misery and suffering for people, most of whom will eventually become part of our communities.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131333#Comment_122131333

The pull factor is our high GDP and low unemployment rates.

https://www.economicsobservatory.com/asylum-seekers-in-europe-where-do-people-go-and-why

I suspect another 5 years of FFG propped up by anti-immigration independents will go a long way to addressing those.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0510/1448258-housing-market-inhibiting-competitiveness-council-warns/#:~:text=The%20housing%20market%20is%20currently,and%20in%20people's%20well%2Dbeing.

baldbear

I see in the Examiner that Ireland had proportionately the highest number of non-EU citizens found to be illegally present in any EU country last year.

This plus non deportations, allowing them to work after 6 months even though here illegally and not making them pay for their accommodation with medical cards provided. The dogs in the street know why they are coming here from the UK or other European countries.

I was watching Virgin breakfast show yesterday and they talked about immigration and the far right. It was so frustrating listening to it. They said people need to be communicated to better and educated bet why people are coming here. No mention of people coming here chancing their arm.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122130940#Comment_122130940

Hopefully the attorney general gives Heather the answer she wants since if it’s not exactly the answer she asks for it won’t be shared with us.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131408#Comment_122131408

Australia pushes back the very small number of boats which arrive.

They control the number of potential asylum seekers arriving by air with strict pre-clearance checks.

I'm not sure how many they keep in detention onshore, but the offshore detention has been a disaster. It cost approx 2.8 million per person and most of those held eventually returned to Australia.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131514#Comment_122131514

If those things are all provided, then you can post proof of where that is stated. I don't begrudge someone a few euros a week so they can buy a bottle of water, or a snickers bar, or a clean pair of jocks.

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131550#Comment_122131550

A1 for the hyperbole. I rarely get on a plane across the English channel with the "real prospect of death" in mind.

Absolute spoofing of the highest order

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131585#Comment_122131585

With the sums they reportedly pay to get here, dressing in more expensive clothes than most, I very much doubt they need the change for a snickers bar.

Yet more hyperbole, we'll have to get the violins out for these lads

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122130940#Comment_122130940

They make the reasons up as they go along.

It's international obligations one day, paying for our pensions the next, running the health service the following day, and "enriching"our own very boring and stale Irish culture the next day.

They will tell you all this as a fact, but strangely fail to provide any cost benefit analysis, or peer reviewed data to support their claims.

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131568#Comment_122131568

The boats don't arrive because the vast majority are intercepted and the AS transferred to Nauru for processing. They can spend years there if they don't cooperate and the conditions are basic.

Anyone arriving by boat is not permitted to settle in Australia. Word has gotten round regarding the futility of boat arrivals so hardly any arrive any more.

The cost is not relevant as still much cheaper than 10's of thousands of AS arriving yearly which will represent an ongoing intergenerational public expenditure in the billions.

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131550#Comment_122131550

Like they've become part of the communities of France and Belgium? When will you stop living in a dream land where all peoples of vastly different outlooks and religions happily coexist as productive members of society?

I fervently wish that such a thing would be possible but I'm a realist and you have to make policies based on evidence.

Multiculturalism has completely and absolutely failed in the EU. There is no counter argument possible as no country has successfully integrated 3rd world immigrants even those who arrive legally.

If you and people like you have your way, the west won't be worth risking your life to reach as it will have disappeared to have been replaced by a 3rd world ghetto.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131487#Comment_122131487

I have to agree with this. The total focus on O'Gorman is misleading. FFG loved when the Greens were getting the blame and they got nothing.

EVERYTHING O'Gorman does is implicitly signed off by the FFG cabinet.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131438#Comment_122131438

There are millions of refugees hosted in African countries who, regardless of the conditions facing them in many of the camps or other areas where refugees are hosted or congregate, still flee nonetheless.

As for China — the problem with just simply emulating their policy and view towards refugees derives largely from why we wouldn't seek to emulate them generally in a political or socioeconomic sense. It is an unattractive place to refugees for the very same reasons why Europe is not like China, and to become more likely China requires things that Europeans are not likely to get behind.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131592#Comment_122131592

30,000 deaths in the med in the last 10 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_migrant_vessel_incidents_on_the_Mediterranean_Sea

240 in the English channel in the same time, mostly since boat numbers increased with tightened controls on the tunnel.

https://time.com/6969960/five-migrants-dead-uk-channel/

We all know how bad conditions have been in Dublin tents.

No hyperbole involved and in no way comparable to crossing the channel in a plane.

Approaches involving simplistic 'hard borders' and 'deterrents' are doomed to failure, you lot need to start realising that we're dealing by and large with absolutely desperate people not 'bogus' cases and 'chancers'.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131729#Comment_122131729

The majority are intercepted but returned to home countries or stopped at source.

Only 1300 people have been placed in offshore detention since 2013. Most of whom have eventually been given leave to remain in Australia.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/asylum-boats-statistics/

Longing

Please everyone don't think any of the main parties are better than the other, They lovers FFG the Greens, Labour or the traitors. They all sail on the same boat the destruction of our heritage our culture and who we are patriots of this nation. They Irish people need to act and act severely on 7th June to start ridding this nation of back stabbers and sell outs who want you but mostly your kids and definitely your children's children living on a island that is only regnoisable only by name.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131479#Comment_122131479

Paths diverging does not mean an end to learning. You might refrain from laughing at people, I don't think it helps dialogue, in this instance it appears you are laughing at your own misinterpretation.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131559#Comment_122131559

Those numbers are incorrect apparently, this thread explains it well. Actually the irish examiner have now deleted the article.

https://twitter.com/Care2much18/status/1789805016917705117?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131761#Comment_122131761

And the reason why he is so protected by those parties. He is rarely seen and when he is everything is stage managed. Probably the most protected of all the cabinet.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131752#Comment_122131752

I agree and more to the point, I don't believe that Irish people on the whole want multiculturalism. We value our own traditions and culture and what makes us distinctive. A little bit of other cultures is no harm at all but like many matters in life, moderation is the key word. Everything in moderation.

Some are promoting the idea of widespread multiculturalism and that sure, wouldn't it be great. Well no it wouldn't be great. We don't want a multicultural society. Full stop. And it's long past the time the government got this message. The changes in the last decade have been inexorable - who said we should sell our souls to MNCs etc for this?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131867#Comment_122131867

to be fair you don't speak for everyone when you say "we don't want a multicultural society". we already have one and i would say a lot of people are ok with that.

also can you imagine the reaction if politicians rejected MNCs wanting to set up in ireland because it would mean we'd require plenty of migrants to do certain jobs?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131859#Comment_122131859

I imagine he is one of the hardest workers in cabinet. He has a lot on his plate. He is completely deluded but I'd say he puts in massive hours unlike some of the other layabouts in the Dail.

I don't agree with people who say he is dumb. I'd say he is a very smart man - had some interaction with him on the Mother and Baby home commission - but he has to realise that our immigration system is complete broken. I'd blame Justice more for that though.

Fred Cryton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131786#Comment_122131786

So you've just given us the ideal solution then - they can "flee" to a nearby African state. We could even pay for their tents there?

Little Ireland is not responsible for the misery of the world and we are not "obligated" to reduce our own standard of living to accommodate that misery at taxpayer expense.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131908#Comment_122131908

but for now we are obligated to some extent, until things are changed

airy fairy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131585#Comment_122131585

Are you on a parallel universe or out to troll?

Laundry is done for these guys.

They are supplied with breakfasts, lunches, and a 3 course dinner. If they require a snickers after getting their desserts I'd be suggesting they go exercise as they'll add more to the burden of the HSE due to obesity.

Seriously, €38 pocket money? For snickers? And treating themselves. I'd love that myself.

It's a well-known fact that not a soul from the AS community do not spend their pocket money in local shops. Killarney is a fine example where coffee shops etc are closing due to no footfall as the hotels are full of AS and no tourists. But these lads are spending on alcohol alright, I give them that. I suppose you think that's fine too.