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Carnivore 2023



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭ Bullocks

    What are you mostly eating? Are you finding it hard without the veggies or choice in meals ?

    I loosely followed it and never thought I would miss a plate of veggies like I did . I did feel well though and definitely not hungry .

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ carrollsno1

    Beef Jerky, liver and heart, striploins, would be the usual run of it. I had a few local grass fed burgers saturday with a fancy enough cheddar from supervalu and some goats cheese and bacon. I had bacon and eggs yesterday for the first time since starting and i had a bitta hot sauce on the eggs. Im trying to incorporate more mince/diced beef into it now from this week on. I might have the odd bit of cheese/yoghurt through the week too. Everything is cooked in butter too. I dont miss the veg at all but i wasnr eating a whole lot of them in the year prior however i did like a good farmers dinner whenever i got it with a mountain of spuds and veg along with a bit of boiled bacon. From what i see on facebook groups is that you have to up youre fat intake to help beat cravings. Have a look at Paul Saladino the Carnivore MD talking about vegetable it might change youre perspective on them.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭ igCorcaigh

    What about mate tea?

    I think there's some carnivorous Amazon tribe that drinks it for the nutrients.

    It gives a nice energy boost without the jitters of caffeine. You might even appreciate the earthy taste.

  • Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭ markmoto

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ carrollsno1

    Quick google on it there it seems the gauchos the argentinian cowboys used to survive for months at a time solely on beef and mate tea.

    Another thing i happened to think about today on how the carnivore lifestyle trumps the modern western diet is how the pioneering populations of America and Australia survived back in those days before they had nutritionists telling them how to eat. I listened to the book Kings in Grass Castles a story about the Durack Family and The Overlanders who opened up huge tracts of land in Australia and i cant seem to remember a whole lot written in the book about fruit and vegetable consumption as they would have been non existent through most of the year. What was in abundance the whole way through was cattle i.e. beef and they seemed to live fairly fulfilled and reasonably long lives for the 1800s anyways.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 37,615 ✭✭✭✭ Mellor

    Well, don't really true at all, is it. Firstly he didn't hand his license he. He was order to surrender it by the medial board. And it wasn't because he was prescribing lifestyle changes. Doctors everywhere prescribe lifestyle changes, People are constantly told to exercise and eat better by their doctor.

    The reason his license was suspend is that he was deemed incompetent to practise. Which make sense, he was a military orthopaedic surgeon. He had no experience in the area.

    This action was based on failure to report adverse action taken by a healthcare entity and incompetence to practice as a licensee. 

    Yes it was reinstated, after he passed basic competency, and on the condition that he is supervised in a clinical setting. Overall, this does not paint him as an advanced doctor. It makes him look like a graduate. That's important before you use his doctors license as an appeal to authority.

    As regards his physical health in his 50s yeah he did have a fairly intense time training most of his life however im a young man myself and im doing a fair bit of training myself now and if the carnivore diet compliments that (which it has) im happy enough with that and who knows maybe when i reach my 50s ill still be thriving like him.

    I was implying he was in steroids and has been for a number of years. His blood test that he posted for another issue pretty much confirm that. And sure, you could blast Test a bit now. And get onto TRT at his age (that would be my guess) and thrive like that.

    As regards progress last November i was 130kg i dont know did it rise over Christmas with the excessive eating/drinking associated with the holidays but i was down to 128kg today. As regards measurements my measurements today starting into the third week were

    Neck 17.5"

    Waist 41"

    Gut 42"

    Chest 43"

    Shoulders 53"

    RH Quad 24"

    Training wise my garmin is telling me ive hit new PBs after my swims and certain run sessions during the week. My coach was surprised with the level of training i put in last week after only really recovering the week beforehand and getting back into the swing of things after a poor back end of the year for 2022. Im attributing this way of eating for some of that.

    Regardless of whether you are carnivore, keto, low-carb, low fat, vegan, etc. Ultimately it comes down to energy balance. Calories in - Calories Out.

    Do you have a target calorific intake? Are you tracking intake with something like MFP or Chronometer. The answer to both should be a yes.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭ Cill94

    I'd be more interested to get before and afters on your cholesterol and blood pressure.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ carrollsno1

    All in due time, wont be today nor tomorrow youl have to make do with measurements and weight for now. Will that suit?

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭ igCorcaigh

    @carrollsno1 Do you know if you are in ketosis?

    That's the only reason I mentioned the ketone sticks really. I see that you are eating some honey (nice on bacon!). So it's not a keto diet, I see. I did miss the sweetness of even vegetables on my one week experiment with keto!

    Good to see you feeling so well. Keep the updates rolling! 👍️

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ carrollsno1

    I would be surprised if i wasnt! From memory in Ag Science fo the LC Ketosis is when the body burns up fat to use as energy to maintain the body. However it could be that i am not in ketosis either. Just thinking there now ive not had a whole lot of honey this past week and fruit as well for that matter. Just had a little bit of goats cheese on its own here now thats tasting fairly sweet to me at the minute here.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ carrollsno1

    @Bullocks and @igCorcaigh

    This might be of interest to you, its similar to the chapter in his book i am listening to at the minute. Im close enough to a tier 5 at the minute with honey and minimal fruit.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭ igCorcaigh

    And how do you find managing it financially? Red meat is pricey, apart from offal.

    Have you tried canned fish or chicken wings?

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ carrollsno1

    So far its ranged from €60-80 pw in the butchers and you could say €10 tops on top of it for some dairy/fruit/honey. Seems a nice but however ive seen a post on facebook recently how someone who hust started couldnt realise how cheap meat actually was in comparason to what crap they were consuming before. The thinking behind it was weve got this much superfood compared to that much crap for the same money. Someone else also posted how they are saving money by not eating out anymore on this way of eating. Id have been partial to a takeaway beforehand, a sourdough pizza locally could be roughly €15 maybe add wings and a drink thats exceeded €20 and will most likely be only one meal out of the week maybe a slice or two left for breakfast. I thought about it last weekend i havent huge options for eating out/takeaway on this lifestyle if i went for Thai, they can cook without oil yes, im sure they would without vegetables and then the chips/rice is obviously out the window too if i was to go for it its a pricey enough meal when compared to the fella in the queue beside me paying the same price but getting his veg and chips and whatever else with it. The chipshop is no good no matter how you dress it up best i could do is tray of kebab meat with a bitta cheese and really take the piss by getting a bit of onion on it just so they dont reckon im a complete nut.

    Beef looks cheap compared to a takeaway now doesnt it.

    In one way i suppose im fortunate i dont have chick nor child to support at the minute so its a bit easier financially. However i am mixing in minced this week and hoping to mix in diced beef next week. The problem this week with the mince i found was it was awfully strong tasting funnily enough my coworkers reckoned the steake taste a lot stronger than mince/diced at this butchers, reason for the strong taste is due to the grass fed and grass finished beef i believe. The other problem with the mince/diced is it has a shorter use by date.

    Fish is strictly off limits for me, i used to love it as a kid however in my teens i went off it and went off it in a big way. Chicken wings would love to give a go, oyster thighs were my go to back in Australia when i went high protein animal based there i was eating 6 a day back then. Chicken i believe demands a premium for organic/free range/pasture raised whereas in this country anyway the majority of the cattle in this country there diet is a high % of grass/forage.

  • Registered Users Posts: 37,615 ✭✭✭✭ Mellor

    Not quite. Burning fat for energy is just fat oxidation. Will happen for anyone that is dieting. Can even happen when not dieting depending on activity. ie on a long easy run, you definitely be burning fat.

    Ketosis is rather than burning fat directly, the body converts fat to ketones for energy. Unlike muscles, the brain can't run on oxidised fat. So this only happens were carbs are very low. Typically less than 25g a day. Depends on activity. You can get test stick to confirm the presence of ketones in your pee. It usually takes a few days to deplete glycogen and start ketosis. Unless you are eating lots of honey, you'll be in ketosis

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭ Cill94

    Losing weight and waist circumference is great, don’t get me wrong.

    I mention the cholesterol and blood pressure as they’re the main risk factors that could be negatively affected by the carnivore approach, and ones worth keeping an eye on.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,933 ✭✭✭✭ neris

    Chicken thighs are great for carnivore. Find the ones in Lidl best, a good size and no bits of plucked feather parts left.

    Instead of the ketone strips try a ketone breath meter. Theyre cheap enough on Amazon and just as reliable

  • Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭ markmoto

    I would avoid commercially grown chickens. Specially fatty parts because all the toxins that liver can't eliminate get stored in fat.

  • Registered Users Posts: 37,615 ✭✭✭✭ Mellor

  • Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭ markmoto

    I have no idea where to get wild chickens, but you can buy really good organic pasture raised chickens in Ranelagh.

  • Registered Users Posts: 37,615 ✭✭✭✭ Mellor

    I'm sure they are very good, but they are still commercially grown chickens. Practically all meat is commercially grown, so its not much use are a description. Non commercial meat seems to be frowned upon. Seems silly to me.

    I would try to buy free range all the time, and organic/grass fed when I can. But with the rising cost of living, I think people should make the best choice within their personal means. Non-organic chicken is not toxic.

    As I said, I'm sure the above it great. Not sure what "Pasture raised" equates to as its not a regulated terms. But personally, for €27 I'd expect it to be fresh meat. Just a preference. Anyway, a carnivore should be eating a bowl of hearts and livers 😉

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Popoff

    Are you still at it, Mellor?

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ carrollsno1

    Unfortunatly not, i succumbed to scurvy in the end and ive went vegan in the meantime as animal based/carnivore is bullshit.

    Disregard the piece above, ive been fairly animal based/carnivore since tbe 03/01 however i have a family emergency at the moment here andci was planning on doing a 60 day update next week however thats not going to happen right now. I will be looking at significantly reducing dairy intake in the future an im not gonna lie there was a few drinking sessions aftercthe 30 day point which will not have done my progress any favours. I will update in the coming weekscwhen this passes over.