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Opting out of Smart Meter Program

  • 28-09-2022 2:13pm
    Registered Users Posts: 4,305 ✭✭✭

    I have a small solar array and Zappi/Eddi for surplus and would not really economically benefit from FIT in comparions to maintaining my day/night meter.

    Are there specific steps/notifications that I have to do to officially opt out of the smart meter program? Are there set templates with set scripts to display on the box to installers?

    I get the impression that once the smart meter is in, you're snookered.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭Gerry

    yup people need to bear that in mind and separate the meter from the tariff. the tariffs can change easier than the meter.

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    Why not get the smart meter in (when they're installing them in your area) and simply remain on your existing tariff? Having a smart meter doesn't compel you to switch to a smart tariff.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking

    I don't get why people don't want smart meters - usually its the not so smart people that object to anything and everything because they have nothing else to do.

    Same faces popped up against 5g masts (remember they caused XXXX (fill in whatever disease you want)), wind turbines (birds dying, flicker disease and they even said cancer) and anti covid vaccines

    I've a smart meter for almost 2 years. I moved to a smart meter price plan earlier this year.

    My bills are LOWER than last year when comparing identical months even though the daytime unit rate is over 40% higher.

    It is SO SIMPLE - event the "not so smart anti everything shower of fools" could work them out and plan their usage and save money.

    My bill for August was €86 - including standing charges and vat. Decent size rural house. Washing machine, dishwasher, immersion, Iron, cooking, fridges and even a bit of tumble drying. Almost 70% of use was 2am - 4am at 8.13c/unit. All it needs is just a little amount of smart matter between the ears.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking

    can you please show me and everyone else where that 5.8c a unit rate is.

    (and I made an error - it is 8.13c and I got €150 credit)

    Please don't quote last year's rates - quote August 2022.

    I have energia's best day/night rate in a holiday home I have (not a smart meter yet). It is NOT 5.8c a unit for night time

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭irishchris

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,888 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1

    Sure, from my current fixed pricing plan with Eneriga that expires next month (so valid for August and September 2022)

    and from October 1st the new fixed plan is still cheaper than 8.13c and no worries about price increases

    @irishchris I signed up a few weeks back before the hikes and as I don't have a Smart Meter they can't change the rate until the current billing cycle completes

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭kabakuyu

    Day/night tariff(usually cheaper} cannot yet be replicated on the not so smart meter, it is advisable to refuse them if you are currently using D/N meter.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,479 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk

    Why I don't want a smart meter.

    It's more expensive for me than a day night meter

    Currently on

    27.4 day, 7.9 night, renewed at the start of August. Also fixed for a year 😉

    Energias current ev rate is now 35.78/10.31 (all prices are rising in oct)

    Find me a smart plan cheaper than that now. That's all I ask

    I know the standing charge is higher for a day/night meter.

    I have had energy monitoring for years, even before I had solar. Once off cost, and far more responsive too

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭Gooser14

    I currently have a digital day/night meter. If I get the smart meter can I remain on my current day/night tariffs. If affirmative can I retain theday/night tariff plan if I switch suppliers.

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,888 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1

    If you get a Smart meter you cannot avail of your current day/night rates

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    Yes to Q1 and, unfortunately, I don't know to Q 2. Good question though. Can anyone advise?

  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,479 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk

    They are not switching people on day night to smart meters.

    They can't just take you off your DN tariff and stick in a smart meter (by default a ,24 tariff)

    You can switch to a smart meter if you pre-arrange a smart tariff or 24 hr tariff to move to. You can't stay on the day night.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭Gooser14

    Thanks for the answers. I'm happy with the day/night tariff plans & will be keeping my digital day/night meter.

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,111 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno

    Energia are not offering any smart logging, also if like us you buy house with a smart meter already installed or even move house renting, you have to then take a smart tariff.

    Keep your old meters for as long as possible

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,888 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1

    You can move to a day/night tariff with Energia, they will take it from there and arrange for your Smart meter to be switched for a Day/Night meter with no cost to you apart from the phone call you make

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,111 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno

    Can I ask a stupid question, why would they change the meter for this?

    Is the smart meter not capable of logging the time?

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,888 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1

    The Smart Meter cannot handle Day/Night tariffs, beggars belief but true!

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Mav11

    I don't get why people don't want smart meters

    Well one very good and non-emotive reason would be that smart meters use 2g connectivity which has very weak encryption and is easy to hack.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭zg3409

    OP. Have you received a letter saying you are getting a smart meter? There is typically a contact number on that letter.

    I also put a paper sign in meter box and on the day they attempted to install one by going to "wrong" house as in they were doing every house except mine.

    If you already have a night meter it's unlikely they will offer a smart meter, as no plans are the same on smart meter. That happened to me a few years ago at another address. They basically said they "could not" install a smart meter if I have a night meter. I assume they could but then I would no longer be able to get 9 hour night rate plans anymore.

    If you refuse a smart meter (you may not need to see above) then you won't get paid any feed in tariff. If you get solar panels it's likely they will try upgrade very old meters that run backwards or run slower when exporting. They know they are losing money on anyone who has a mechanical meter and panels. Even if a mechanical meter cannot run backwards but run slower you are getting a 1:1 rate on exports as in if you pay 20c to buy you export and meter may slow by 20c a unit unless you are exporting more than importing.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭Alkers

    If you move from smart meter to day/night you will not receive any deemed export FIT. If you are already on day /night you will, up until the smart meters are setup to work with day / night tarrifs.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭Alkers

    The meters themselves can, it's just not been implemented yet

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,888 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    Any chance of including a link to where us mortals can avail of this cheap electricity with fixed rates for a year?

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭KCross

    If you move from smart meter to day/night you will not receive any deemed export FIT.

    Not true apparently.

    Switching from a smart meter to a day/night tariff is allowed and you still qualify for FiT via deemed export.

    If you are on a 24hr tariff and you refuse a smart meter then you forfeit the right to FiT.

    The key is you need to go on a d/n tariff.

    That’s what ELM327 has been told and has done.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,479 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk

    I have heard it's not fixed anymore but here's the plan

    I'm on my second year of it now, up until the end of July I was on 20c day, 5c night.