solve the housing problem easily...some solutions?

y0ssar1an22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119829750#Comment_119829750

why would the government do that?

remember they collect ~45-48% of gross rental income in tax (basic calculation assuming 52% tax and allowing for about 4-6% rental expenses).

tis a cash cow for them

y0ssar1an22

i still dont understand how stopping one off builds in rural ireland will alleviate the housing problem?

maninasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119829107#Comment_119829107

Private investors, doesn't need any govermnent money. If the government was involved sure it would never happen.

Who said this is to give free gaffs to people?

This kind of infill redevelopment is normal in many countries.

What it needs is a change in planning restrictions.

malinheader

Stop taking in people from other parts of the world in need of housing until we get the housing problem sorted .

Simple.

Whatever anyone thinks or states about resolving this issue we all know its never going to be solved while taking in 1,2 or 3 hundred people a week In need of accommodation.

Time for people to stand up and say it as it is.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119831346#Comment_119831346

What it needs is a change in planning restrictions.

The issue is not planning restrictions really. The issue is convincing everyone whose house you want to buy, to sell up. My aunt and uncle have been through this - a developer approached house owners, 16 in total I think, and offered to buy them out for above market value. My aunt and uncle were happy to sell, as they had that house rented out. But at least one person refused to sell which killed the whole thing.

cezanne

Some housing will be come available very soon as the IT sector mass firings will settle the heat, no big salaries for inflated rents a lot of foreign workers will go home with their nice nest egg from IT and then they will have to lower the rents to get anyone. the It melt down is not just twitter Farcebook is heading that way too all that will be big earners are Pharma and they are more spread out throughout the country. Settle down there lads the real recession is coming.....

jimmybobbyschweiz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844487#Comment_119844487

Don't worry, the government are already doing their best to fill those properties that should become vacant or else drop their rents to get tenants as we have a manufactured Ukrainian accommodation crisis where the government are spending a lot of cash to give to property owners.

I almost wouldn't be surprised to see the government pay the landlords of offices the lost rent from big tech companies so that the offices could be used for social housing and the landlords don't lose out on rental income.

cezanne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119847620#Comment_119847620

Jesus it sounds like an Armageddon of sorts we are being so shafted by the EU & our own civil service AKA government they are so blinded by this endorphin rush to help white people only they have truly lost their marbles.

walterking

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119653803#Comment_119653803

No one thing will solve it, but building standards are exceptionally high and there probably is a need for a lesser standard for a home designed to last say 30/40 years.

People also need to be encouraged out of the main cities and almost enticed by a guarantee to stay at the same place in the queue on a housing list in their preferred area for 24 months if they take an option outside main cities (80% of "homeless" are in the main cities). This does not mean they then have to commute for work and these days of remote working could help here

Supported housing within cities should have a size limit of 3 beds / 100sqm

People should be permitted to put a self contained garden room onto their property subject to condition including that no other exempted development has taken place and it can only be used by a family member.

and modular housing - it can be made off site anywhere in the world and installed in days and is ideal for many people with 30 year+ life span of the buildings.

But above all, there has to be some way of getting people to move outwards and settle outside the cities (and not having to commute to jobs)

Stovepipe

Thats if you can get builders to actually build to the standard. Don't forget the various building scandals, even before mica/pyrite, are still with us. We will be paying for them for ever, even before we pay for mica/pyrite.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119820549#Comment_119820549

Absolutely, nowadays it’s heresy to think that someone who has a job is entitled to anything more in terms of service or product than someone who is a welfare dependent, if social housing was built to a much more basic spec , the howls of “ apartheid “ would immediately ring out from media and all of the current opposition in the Dail

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119829035#Comment_119829035

You’re half right, we need a huge drive and change in attitude towards the view that third level attendance is essential, lads need to do the leaving cert however, eighteen is so much older physically and mentally than sixteen

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119850447#Comment_119850447

With both mica and pyrite I am not sure how the builder was supposed to know? Pyrite was in the concrete supplied to the site and if you put a load of pyrite concrete and non-concrete side by side nobody could tell the difference.

Mica blocks according to reports are the exact same

The manufacturing was the issue, not the builder.

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119852479#Comment_119852479

This is true, the extreme left have too much power in Ireland. I've never been on the dole and I'll never be able to afford a basic spec home myself

Stovepipe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119854904#Comment_119854904

agreed but builders were still churning out **** apartments and housing estates. Builders substituting cheaper materials to save pennies and leaving buildings unable to get a fire cert. Those people in Kildare whose entire terrace burned to the ground because the attic walls were not fireproofed.

dublin49

give incentives to older couples to trade down to lesser number of bedrooms .freeing up family homes while matching the older generation with more appropriate housing with less maintenance in their advanced years,I am in that cohort btw.

mojesius

Government builds social and affordable housing schemes and ceases all other involvement in housing market including: allowing councils to buy private housing stock, HAP, shared ownership,HTB etc.

Derelict sites/buildings in cities are turned into housing and remove the ridiculous building height limit in city centres.

Block all foreign vulture funds from buying developments en masse, at least for a few years.

Build family sized apartments in or close to cities.

Requirement that new office buildings are paired with building of accomodation, not necessarily in same development but a planning application for offices can only be approved with corresponding building of housing stock for workers within commutable distance. These office developments going up all over Dublin are this decade's ghost estates if they keep building at this rate.

chuchuchu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884218#Comment_119884218

don think it would work unless the other residents were older too

chuchuchu

I would say give companies an incentive to move outside Dublin.

Dublin is full up, simple as.

The_Kew_Tour

Ban council houses and saying the building standards are poor are just some of the crazy thinking some have.

Lot people cannot pay 50 quid a week on rent. (Even for low paid workers or part time). Doubt going get private or landlords to accept that type money per week to let someone stay and not have them chucked out.

Every new build is decent size and is warm and cosy, for people who can never afford to buy you wont get that in 98% of the world. What do people expect everyone to have swimming pools and twenty room houses?

People are also wanting more than they can chew.a 5 bedroom when 2-3 will do putting them under pressure before they set foot in house.

Recession will help but sadly that hinders in another way.

b v

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884218#Comment_119884218

Q1: Would they be compensated for the difference in value?

Q2: If they suddenly have a lump sum due to them downsizing and being compensated for such, if they ever need to avail of government assistance they’ll be “means tested” and have all their money removed, leaving them in a smaller house with all their money gone. When they could have stayed in their bigger house and not be means tested. How do solve that?

b v

HAP, rent allowance, council houses should be STRICTLY for Irish citizens only. Remove foreigners from lists and tell them they’re their own country’s problem will massively help.

mcsean2163

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884337#Comment_119884337

Not sure what planet you're living on. I've friends, 4 living in a one bed. Very very few are looking for five bed in Dublin.

mcsean2163

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884748#Comment_119884748

Only Irish residents can go on council housing list.

I know one chap here for 14 years, working continuously and struggling now. He's finally going to apply for rent allowance as his situation has worsened considerably. He's nowhere to go 'home' to. Send him back to sleep on the streets in the country he was born in? That's your idea?

You must be from Donegal.....

dublin49

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884741#Comment_119884741

I believe future generations will choose to remove equity from their family homes and trade down due to the inadequacy of defined contribution pensions to provide a decent retirement fund .The current older generation are the last generation that will benefit from defined Benefit pensions which provided a decent standard of living after retirement.There may be some issues around means testing but there is a downside to most solutions.

b v

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884828#Comment_119884828

After 14 years’ residency and work he should be entitled to Irish citizenship. Apply for it, and if necessary, renounce your former citizenship if your country requires it.

b v

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884945#Comment_119884945

The public sector still have now and always will have a DB pension.

Try changing that and it’ll make the London riots look like a minor misunderstanding by comparison.

timmyntc

Get the state to build large scale housing projects again like in the past.

This time to sort out the shortage of labour, anyone who works on state housing site gets paid cash in hand, no questions asked.

Half the country would be double jobbing, laying blocks on weekends 🤑

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884985#Comment_119884985

It is not as attractive now as it was. Most younger PS on average earnings for a pension would be better off on a defined contribution especially if government gave them similar packages to MNC workers.

The PRD levy is 20% on earning above 28.5k to 60k. That is about 5% of pay. Most MNC give minimum 1.5 times matching funds up to 16%.

Take away the OAP ( nearly 13k next year) from a PS pension of 25k and you are left with 12k allowing for the gratuity 75k is a pension fund under 400k in value.

Younger workers were some down the swanny by unions with regard to pension to preserve entitlements of older workers.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884748#Comment_119884748

Lots of Irish emigrants will get coming home when other countries apply that rule.

Also how do you deal with couples where one is a citizen and one isn't.