Liffey valley to start charging for parking

gmisk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119565610#Comment_119565610

They aren't. They have already said what costs for people are going to be.

Iguarantee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119564035#Comment_119564035

Good and state of the art are not necessarily the same thing.

I don't believe there's a state of the art underground transport system in Europe.

Homer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119564307#Comment_119564307

Care to share your calculations to back that up please?

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119566444#Comment_119566444

True, not necessarily. But some are, the Copenhagen one is even driverless, well the line I used for sure.

appledrop

Liffey Valley car parks are not all full.

Yes the one at Cinema/Penneys is but I have always parked down at Next or M&S one and the amount of free spaces is unreal.

I used to go to LV once a week but have stopped due to roadworks as they have made a complete dogs ear of the place.

The M&S car park is now a disaster, people don't know how to drive in it and the amount of people blocking car park now is unreal.

And now they want to bring in paid parking in current climate when people are going to stop spending money on extras like clothes etc.

The management are fools, the shops need to protest or they will have no customers left.

People will just pay the cost. It's an awkward place to get to even from Clondalkin let alone other parts of the city.

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119565579#Comment_119565579

They are never even full at anytime during the day, a lot of people making stuff up on here to justify their own personal perspective

walterking

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119565579#Comment_119565579

The prime spaces close to the doors of every entrance are occupied before 10am.

Most stores don't open until 10am. Staff abused the car parking.

It was always going to have paid parking. It was mooted in 2002.

Staff parking will probably be about €50 a month with a certain number of staff spaces available.

erlichbachman

What has prime spaces got to do with anything? Except to say I’m a lazy fcuker and can’t be bothered unless I can park 10 feet from an entrance.

j14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119566801#Comment_119566801

I think I read staff spaces will be €4 per day.

Spanish Eyes

Blanchardstown is the only big centre with free parking now, is that correct? However as mentioned previously unless you are familiar with the back road up Knockmaroon Hill or through Lucan then the M50 toll each way negates that if you are approaching from the South West or North Kildare for example.

I don't think the bus option is going to work. Although I know there is a big bus hub going in at LV, I am very surprised that there has been absolutely NO publicity in the centre for this (parking a priority maybe!). I would have thought that the centre operators or TFI or Dublin Bus or all three would have some sort of a map/plan at strategic points to inform shoppers of the whoopie doo new bus connections for your comfort. Actually the lack of any information at all up there regarding the redevelopment is nothing short of shameful. However I reckon they are not going to advertise paid parking too soon!

I was trying to help someone a couple of weeks ago who was looking for the main bus stop. I walked her to it. It had moved to the other side of the road, and no information other than "stop cancelled". Nothing to tell users where to go, how long it would be temporary for, or any publicity for the bus hub. Weird I thought. And another gripe, the lady had to go to the lights and cross over the road, whereas before she didn't. Now what genius thought it would be better for shoppers to have to drag shopping up the road, cross the road, and down the other side carrying bags etc. Why not put the stop on the shopping centre side and set down on the other? No explanations, but I figured it was roadworks.

Anyway I park up in the Purple (or what used to be) car park at M+S every time. Never bother with any other spot, it's false economy driving around up and down the lanes looking for that elusive spot right outside VUE.

j14

Also will this not just push customers to park in Tesco, B&Q, KFC / Starbucks or the Retail park and walk to the centre or will they also introduce paid parking in these car parks?

Princess Calla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119566864#Comment_119566864

Well if you know you're buying bulky stuff or heavy stuff it's nice to get parking close to the door. So if you've made the effort to get there early and find all the parking spaces close to the door have already been taken by staff it can be irritating.

Plus if it's p1ssing down and you've to make multiple trips to the car to drop bags off it can be irritating.

A previous poster made a good point that they don't mind paying for dundrum as it's indoors and they don't even have to put a jkt on.

Personally I usually park away from the door and hope my car doesn't make friends when I'm in there.

jo187

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119566938#Comment_119566938

I know four big tesco that parking is free. So assume when it comes to big tesco the parking is free. It's mad while retailers are struggling and cost of living crisis they bring in these charges

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547541#Comment_119547541

I think you have the wrong end of the stick here.

I imagine that parking is provided by the owners of the centre in order to make the place more attractive to businesses because it will attract more customers. The more attractive it is, the higher rents they can charge. If the centre doesn't provide parking, then customers decrease. The rent that the owners can charge decreases, but also does the economics for the shop owner and they might need to up their prices to survive with the lower footfall. Similar to how a reasonably sized store in the centre of a town will probably be more expensive than the massive Tesco on the outskirts.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119552627#Comment_119552627

Well it isn't exactly a free market either is it? The developers of the centre were given permission by the State/authorities to develop what could have been easily zoned as a greenbelted tract of land rather than what it became. That is was such a lucrative gift was the reason for all the bribes and corruption which led to it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/terrible-legacy-of-corrupt-quarryvale-rezoning-1.489779

"Private businesses" providing a service (as you put it) are there as a gift of the public and have some responsibility towards the same public.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119567024#Comment_119567024

Sure, so it’s built into the rents, and the outlets have to build the charge into the prices charged on goods and services for all customers, including those who don’t drive

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119567157#Comment_119567157

Yes. It is built into what they have to charge. Both the negative and positive aspects of it. The positive aspects of it (greater economies of scale) might well indeed outweigh the negative aspects of having to maintain the carpark. Which would have been part of the development plan.

But they don't do differential pricing based on what they have to do to attract certain customers in. They don't charge one person 50 cent for an apple and another person 55 cent for an apple because the latter is in a demographic that watches the Late Late Show and the store ran an ad last Friday night during it which cost them a lot of money.

Either way, I reckon non-drivers will be exposed to higher prices as a result of this move.

walterking

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119566864#Comment_119566864

Yes, exactly. Staff are lazy effers who won't walk 100m and use spaces further away.

Shoppers are similar - just read this thread.

An average "shoppers" space is turned over about 5 times a day in a shopping center. On a main street it increases to 9.

So each space taken by an all day parker could be used by 5-9 shoppers.

PowerToWait

There are practically no disabled bays free at the main entrance at any time of any day. And as a previous poster mentioned, the main car park is full from very early. No spaces.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119567157#Comment_119567157

They could just ban cars altogether and the footfall in the centre would severely decrease causing businesses to leave and jobs lost.

But at least those that don't drive wouldn't have to pay and they could enjoy a nice quiet centre for the short time it would last.

Princess Calla

Has anyone been there lately?

The last time I was there was probably end of July/beginning of August and it was a disaster.

What is the parking like now? I presume it's still free?

Seth Brundle

I had the misfortune of having to go to LV yesterday. Parking is still free but the infrastructure looks to be complete (although I didnt look for or see any machines to pay)

Princess Calla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119606786#Comment_119606786

Grand, the last time I was there I didn't know there was an upgrade going on.

So arriving to traffic cone roundabouts, limited parking spaces and just general headless chicken vibe was definitely not the zen, escape from the kids for an hour experience I was hoping for.

I just want to hit Penneys and LV is handiest along the route I'm going.

appledrop

I was only there last week and it's still sn absolute disaster with all the roads dug up

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119606786#Comment_119606786

I was only there last week and it was still a disaster with all the roads dug up, one way systems and nighmare queues.

It is far from finished.

Seth Brundle

I parked in the purple car park (M&S end) having driven past B&Q so hadn't passed the ongoing roadworks.

average_runner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119608114#Comment_119608114

Same here. Opticians will need to stick to their appointment schedule as people won't be happy !

appledrop

I always park in purple car park but unfortunately I'm coming from N4 so can't avoid the roadworks.

They are an absolutely nightmare queue starts all the way up at Fonthill roundabout.

I don't know what they spent summer doing because they have progressed very little since June/ July.

bogmanfan

Really think they should have at least a 15-min grace period for people collecting from the restaurants there. Can’t imagine Eddie Rockets or Five Guys being happy with this for delivery drivers or people collecting.

Capt'n Midnight

The Square is going to charge €1 for three hours from next week ?

Dodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119612046#Comment_119612046

delivery drivers just won’t take the jobs

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615030#Comment_119615030

They will, but the delivery charge will go up by the amount the parking costs...

Cienciano

I don't understand why you can't validate your parking if you spend a certain amount in shops. Oh yeah, I do, it's because the whole "no parking due to people leaving their cars there all day" is bullshít and they just decided it's a handy cash cow.

josip

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Dodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615097#Comment_119615097

Just eat etc have pretty strict rules for this. No one is spending €6 on delivery (normal fee + new fee)

I wouldn’t rule out some sort of grace period though

average_runner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615097#Comment_119615097

Won't be ordering anything from in there so!!!!!!

average_runner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615405#Comment_119615405

Alot of places charging 5 euro for delivery on Just eat these days!!!!!!!!!

antodeco

I live beside literally at Liffey valley so have the experience on a daily basis.

They've widened the roads in some areas, but aren't adding an extra lane.

They've dug up large areas of grassland and trees to not actually add anything more than a cycle lane.

The new parking spaces are a disaster. Reverse, turn, forward, reverse. Everything will be slowed down.

The car park spaces are slightly narrower by about 2 inches, and the gaps in front are shorter, so far more difficult to get in an out of.

The traffic management is pretty terrible. The traffic for me to get out of where I live, can take 5-10 minutes to travel less than 100m. Thankfully people seem to be happy to let residents out!

Where they are positioning the entrances is going to be a nightmare. 2 lanes merging into 1 as you come into the carpark. So if it's busy, it'll be who ever blinks first (like the 3 lanes into 1 in Dundrum).

They've also made it quite a narrow entrance entering the car park from the retail park side. So if you're in a van, I see it causing issues turning into where the barriers will be.

It looks like pedestrian access has become far more dangerous and unnecessarily complicated with having to cross the road now, which will add more traffic at those lights too.

unkel

Sounds like a disaster @antodeco - thanks for sharing

"The car park spaces are slightly narrower by about 2 inches"

Seriously? Car park spaces in general are already far too small. Standard spaces are based on the tiny size of cars we had in the 60s and 70s. I run a large car, which is almost 5m long and 2m wide. It takes care to get in and out of the car without the doors touching the next car. Looks like I will be avoiding that place altogether (apart from giving my eldest a lift to work and a drop off in the staff car park area)

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661228#Comment_119661228

Presumably you'd be happy to pay additional fees for the additional space that your barge requires?

average_runner

No one will be using public transport given the tail backs this weekend. No bus lanes all the way so no incentive there.

Cycling definitely not safe either.

Heard the staff are going mad over the proposed charges and fear for their jobs.

Liffey valley will back down and give first 2 hours free etc

unkel

@AndrewJRenko - stop trolling, you've been warned before. Next time it's a ban.

Dr Turk Turkelton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119662775#Comment_119662775

I've already said in this thread that I'd be more than happy to pay extra for bigger spaces that are closer to the doors to guard against inclement weather.

Would be a great money spinner for the centre.

Dodge

Fwiw I was there earlier. No difference at all in the sizes. Plenty of space down by marks and spencer. Staff managing the entry into each car park

average_runner

Was in the office earlier this week, Dublin City is dead, alot of places after closing down. We face on to O'Connell bridge so get a good view of the city.

Liffey Valley need to be very careful if they get this wrong

Dodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119676089#Comment_119676089

Must be that area because where my office sits it’s nearly back to pre pandemic levels. Public transport packed in morning and evening

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119676857#Comment_119676857

Maybe the offices in some areas are, but I was around the Grafton St area last weekend and noticed a whole slew of new retail closures.

Also, one of the Government crisis this winter will be to mandate working from home to reduce road fuel usage and heating of commercial premises. The City may be somewhat busier now, but it will resemble lockdown conditions once again, especially in January and February.

Atlantic Dawn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119676089#Comment_119676089

Yes I see Easons on O'Connell Street is up for sale on a leaseback deal. The entire street has been let go to the wall, I pity those investing in the Clery's site, they will need ex-special forces security when it opens up to maintain any degree of a safe retail/leisure environment.

https://www.daft.ie/commercial-property-for-sale/40-lower-oconnell-street-dublin-1/1191903

One of the major problems for retail in Dublin City is a lot of the prime buildings have been bought by pension funds and their rent expectations are from a world about 20 years ago pre online delivery and will never return to that but they can't accept it.

Larbre34

It'll be the making of this City when a whole host of commercial assets tank permanently in value and become prime candidates for conversion to residential. Imagine a lovely apartment in the top floor of Easons, or in the Ulster Bank overlooking College Green.

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119677161#Comment_119677161

No commercial assets then no commercial, and no commercial means no jobs, so that lovely apartment where Easons or Ulster Bank used to be will be empty