The Pushback against Leftism

Fandymo

With the furore about Trans and the discussions in the Dail about inward migration. Could the tide finally be turning??

Are the people on the street finally being given a voice from some politicians who realise that this nonsense has to end.

In my opinion, it’s high time that Irish politicians realised that they work for the Irish people, not for NGOs, not for the EU, but for us. We cannot be the saviours of the world, it’s time for a grown up debate on the issues currently facing Ireland and the ones coming down the line.

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nullzero

RobbieTheRobber

shoog

Cognitive Dissident

Mad_maxx

Won't see any real change here until some sort of vaguely conservative media outlet with a significant footprint emerges

Irish people won't find themselves on the wrong side of respectability ,covid proved that recently

I see sheep

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058251407/the-pushback-against-leftism

What do Trans issues have to do with NGOs an the EU?

ArmaniJeanss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058251407/the-pushback-against-leftism

You seem to be putting yourself forward as a fair/average representation of what the voters want, and therefore able to point out what the politicians should be doing.

Whereas in actuality from your posts here, your political positions are actually very niche and extreme.

So the answer to your questions is generally No.

One eyed Jack

The Left, are a tiny minority in Ireland with feckall in the way of political power. There’s no pushback against them, because they aren’t a threat in the first place. 20-odd years of so-called “Conservative” Government parties are who you can blame for the current shìt-show, cos the Left sure as hell weren’t at the steering wheel.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238184#Comment_119238184

Every major party in Ireland is open borders, internationalism, hug a thug, social welfare for everyone leftists. They may have some minor traditionally “right wing” policies, but they are left wing in everything else.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238194#Comment_119238194

Yeah those well known leftists Fine Gael and Fianna Fail.

pleasant Co.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238201#Comment_119238201

Fcuking hippies and crusties the lot of them as we all know.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238201#Comment_119238201

They may have formerly been right, but they have shifted. Helen Keller could see that.

Open borders isn’t a right wing. Benefits for everyone isn’t right wing. Amnesties for illegals isn’t right wing. Revolving door criminal justice systems aren’t. Non-deportation of illegal criminals isn’t right wing.

Take the blinkers off.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238184#Comment_119238184

That's because it would have been far worse if the far-left had its way.

The pushback has begun, of that I'm sure. It's been a long time coming.

Xterminator

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238194#Comment_119238194

Are you kidding?

why has the government of Ireland built no houses for 30 years? Because of their 'free market' addiction, capitalism before societal needs!

How many years ago was free education actually free? And what % of kids who go to college come from non fee paying schools? PS the answer is out there.

We have a courts system that criminalizes (poor) people for personal use of drugs while turning a blind eye to white collar crime usually well education wealthy individuals. Funny that!

And you think that's 'left'

Whuch ever idology emerges to see through a living wage for all and tackle wealth inequality,whatever that will be in 21 months time with inflation,will likely emerge as the dominent idology for next 20 years here

Whether thats right or left,god knows

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238194#Comment_119238194

Ah right, it’s your own definition of Leftism you mean - “anything which I find objectionable”. Every major party in Ireland is still very much right wing, and trying desperately to ape leftist politics to stay popular with the people. We’ll have another giveaway budget soon, and that still won’t save them. The people are sick of their antics. It doesn’t matter that referenda on marriage equality and the repeal of the 8th amendment passed on their watch, people are starving, and Government are wondering why can’t they eat cake.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058251407/the-pushback-against-leftism

This sounds like the tired old silent majority narrative.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238264#Comment_119238264

Its just common sense really.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238194#Comment_119238194

A huge part of our socio-economic wealth is based on international trade and business. We might be an island as a land mass, but in every other way we are not.

You can see the negative impact Brexit and 'pulling up the ladder behind' kind of thinking that the UK has gotten themselves into. We'd be absolute morons to go down a similar route of isolating ourselves from the international community.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238274#Comment_119238274

Based on what, exactly? The OP reads like a tedious conspiracy theory. Even the EU and unnamed NGOs get a mention.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238276#Comment_119238276

Nobody is arguing that we should isolate from the international community, like some form of North Korea. That's just a straw man argument.

And it depends on your outlook. For some, including myself, what the UK has done is reach out to the world rather than remain isolated within the confines of the EU (with the outdated customs union model that belongs to the past).

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238276#Comment_119238276

Yes, let’s keep on the road to multicultural hell hole that has worked so well for our EU brethren like Sweden, Parts of France etc. We’ve had our beheadings so I suppose we are now truly European.

Let’s tell kids they can be a tractor, but only if they REALLY believe. Lets let the girls of Ireland know that, yes you are a fast runner, but Michael is Michelle now, so he get to race instead of you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238264#Comment_119238264

The far-left is pushing the trans- issue. They speak as if we're all on board with what they're doing.

Polls show that 80%, consistently, disapprove of trans women entering female's competitions. Yes, that's a silent majority compared to the loud minority that's trying to speak on our behalf.

The same principle applies to every other issue, especially Woke-related issues, that the far-left is trying to pursue.

It's absolute nonsense, and people are getting sick to the back teeth of being told what to do, what to say - lest they be a raging racist, homophobe, Islamophobe, transphobe, and every other form of -ism and -phobia not yet listed.

And to the poster who complained about housing supply. The idea that building houses is a left-wing principle is absurd.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238280#Comment_119238280

Unnamed, but not unpaid. €5.5 BILLION a year paid to people, to lobby for their own interests. Mental.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238283#Comment_119238283

I was addressing the OP, who clearly is.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238295#Comment_119238295

Christ, talk about going from zero to ninety in one post.

Are you able to have reasoned debate or are you just here for hyperbolic nonsense?

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238201#Comment_119238201

Lets have a look at what they support

• Welfare state
• Gender quotas
• Mass immigration
• Climate policies
• Trans issues
• Feminism
• Millions in funding to explicitly left wing NGOs

Are you really going to tell me that these aren't all popular topics with the modern left?

Danzy

We are facing in to the end of 20 years of low interest rates and decades of cheap energy and resources.

That's going to hit people hard. If there are less well to do families, it will hit the activist class.

The left may be forced back to being a working class movement, kicking and screaming.

That would not be a bad thing, nothing so increasingly aloof can last

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238280#Comment_119238280

I think I have my sarcasm turned up too high today. That's the second time someone has taken one of my sarcastic comments literally. Judging by the people who thanked it you're not the only one.

sameoldname

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238295#Comment_119238295

If the two biggest political problems you have in life are foreigners and other people who wish to identify as agricultural machinery then you have ****-all real problems.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238328#Comment_119238328

Ah. That makes sense. Maybe throw in an emoji?

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238184#Comment_119238184

That's a cute little narrative the left have created about themselves, the plucky underdog

The left dominate soft- cultural power in Ireland, they entirely set and police the boundaries of public discourse

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058251407/the-pushback-against-leftism

...so the left are ultimately to blame for immigration and other social issues, when in fact most governments have been in fact more aligned with the right, as is the fact of irish governments, hows that then?

yes, i do completely agree, its clearly obvious that financialisation of our economies, most notable in our property markets, has completely failed, of which both the left and right have been engaging in!

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238338#Comment_119238338

that takes the fun out of it. Hilarious that some thought I was serious though. they clearly don't know me. Even my previous post on this thread made it clear what I thought of the OP

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238311#Comment_119238311

What? In what way is stopping illegal immigration. Putting Irish people first. And calling out nonsense for the nonsense it is, isolating from the international community?

That’s quite the leap.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238345#Comment_119238345

There is nothing right-wing about Fine Gael and Fianna Fail.

At best, they're centrists who lean socially to the left.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238351#Comment_119238351

It's nonsense. The Irish people only get put first when it serves white supremacy. Then the homeless, the elderly, the disabled, the vulnerable, etc can go screw themselves. Seen it time and time again.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238328#Comment_119238328

I took it as a reference to “Common sense Conservatives”, the type of idiot who is glued to GBNews 🙄

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238349#Comment_119238349

Indeed you did. I saw that response as well.

I'm not going to enjoy getting old I think.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238335#Comment_119238335

Same old tired arguments.

I’m not worried about “foreigners”. I’m all for reverting the EU back to the EEC and keeping free movement. I’m all for legal, vetted immigration to bring people in from foreign countries to fill jobs that need filling.

I’m against filling the country with uneducated, welfare tourists, who contribute nothing and expect everything. **** hell, only a few years ago, breaking the law WAS a real problem and people expected those that did it to face consequences. Now it’s, poor crathur, make sure he has a house within four months. Overstayed your visa? You poor divil, sure you can stay anyway. It’s unsustainable.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238370#Comment_119238370

that is a fair point.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238377#Comment_119238377

So back to the good old days of the 1970s? I was there, they weren't so great.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238377#Comment_119238377

More importantly, the evidence backs up your claim.

Almost 50 percent of Irish people believe immigration to be a big problem in Ireland, according to a new survey. While 53 percent don’t agree, some 44 percent of those surveyed believe the Irish government should be making efforts to restrain the influx of immigrants to the country.

Poll suggests people in Ireland would support Trump’s immigration bans.

The far-left always talk about how it's only a fringe minority of extremists that are concerned about immigration.

Polls show that this is very much a major issue within the population.

And this is what we mean when we talk about a pushback. The people who are just ignored or thrown to the wolves with labels attached are saying enough is enough and we deserve to have our opinions heard just as much as everyone else.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238357#Comment_119238357

....hahaha you gotta love the more right leaning folks of this world!

again, ffg's fundamental political and economic ideologies are more right leaning, generally favoring the more plutocratic elements in our society, hence polices that protect these entities interests, such as the value of their assets, such as property and land. yes the political left have also been engaging in similar polices, hence why theyre virtually completely lost, also noting, ffg have been the main government parities, since the creation of the state!

yes, socially, ffg have indeed been moving more towards centrist/left leaning policies, but also considering the above!

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238377#Comment_119238377

I've no idea what's got you to the state where you're ranting incoherently about such fantasy problems.

What are you doing or going to do about it?

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238360#Comment_119238360

Jesus christ - the white supremacists are already here! Whats next on the buzzword bingo? the neo-nazis?

Who knew that advocating for a common sense immigration policy (reducing numbers coming in when we are at full employment with no houses, no public transport capacity, no hospital capacity, very little schools capacity etc) is now the realm of white supremacy! You couldnt write it, the delusion here is something else

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238395#Comment_119238395

Mentions of the 70s: 0

Well done, you are unable to debate.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238403#Comment_119238403

The "concern" begins and ends with being able to spout racist guff and nothing else. The screeching not alter this. That's before we get to the conspiracy nonsense about the EU, alleged NGOs, reverse vampires and whatever else is upsetting the OP.

growleaves

"Conservatism" has no centre of gravity.

What we call a conservative is an economic liberal and free-marketeer who opposes socialism and oversees a public world of legal bureaucracy which regards human beings as abstractions or members of symbolic groups.

This "conservative" is swept along on a tide of media-driven social liberalism which s/he has no strong motivation to mount a principled opposition against.

Open borders provides cheap labour for big business and doubles up as a way of buying off left-wing opponents.

Economic losers in the capitalist system and victims of boom-bust cycles are placated and bought off with welfare. Long-term welfare claimants become clients of the state with no reason to make trouble for their patrons.

That is "conservatism" in Ireland as far as I can tell.

ArmaniJeanss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238396#Comment_119238396

It sounds as if the big parties have made a huge mistake then - they have left the way open for the 'ireland first' type parties to continue the gains they have been making in the last few elections. Oh, wait, they've actually been getting miniscule votes.

I think the flaw is the leap you've made from '44% of the people support a harder position on immigration' to 'polls show its a major issue'. Just because 44% of the people support something doesn't mean it's close to the forefront of their mind when voting.

I'm sure 44% of the people would support red-squirrel habitats or cleaner pavements, but it doesn't follows that it's a major issue.

sameoldname

Double post

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238430#Comment_119238430

One of the reasons why many people in this country feel a pushback is necessary is because they're tired of being labelled for the crime of having a perfectly respectable opinion.

Typically, the far-left operate by trying to censor debate by smearing their political opponents with labels - to "other" them, as if they're the political equivalent of leprosy.

Already in this thread, you've made reference to white supremacists and racists. We've even had references to North Korea-style isolation and the 1970s.

And some people wonder why a pushback is necessary.

sameoldname

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238377#Comment_119238377

Hold on now. What is the actual issue because you wrote a lot there, half of which is completely incompatible with the other half. Illegal migrants in this country don't get houses or welfare or anything from the state without a PPS number so I'm not sure why you're claiming that it's a problem?

This country as it stands is one of the most highly educated in the world so it's hardly "filled" with the uneducated despite your claims.

I know more than one person in jail at the moment, they weren't given a free house, just a free cell. I'm really not sure what you're talking about here.

As for overstaying visa's, I have no figures on that. Maybe you could post some up?

bladespin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238184#Comment_119238184

The 'Conservative' Government parties, FF and FG in the main are considered centre right really and to be clear, right wing in this context refers to economic policy and not much else.