FEC committee & final report - **UPDATE post 442**

smmember20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119861872#Comment_119861872

OMG: Amendment to legislation to retrospectivley ban semi auto CF rifles just makes no sense, grandfathering those prior to 2015 even makes it worse, simple question what is the fuppin problem.

Minister fitz acted on advice from AGS who at the time were certaninly discreditied on all aspects of firearms legislation pertinent to lawful licensing.

I dispair at the police state attitude of politicians and servants of the people, what AGS says must be true, OH my where has that landed us in the past present and not to mention the future.

2015 to 2022 7 years not a single security or public safety issue and the legislation is published to make firearms purchsed and licenced worthles

Now we know the target of AGS were the ugly and totally lethal .223 AS AR style rifles, but what about the folks who legitimatley participate in M1 carbine matches, historic rifles like the M! Garand that individuals purchased for not small money.

If the **ckers want AR style rifles let them have them bur for god sake let common sense prevail and preserve opportunity to access hsitorical firearms

I see they sorted Garda firearms training access to ranges etc..........................

What a load of non sense

Where are the lobby to ensure this does not go through.................ops I forgot so much about who did what when for personal glory scuppered any sense we had in lobbying for common sense approach to firearms licencing

itisnotgrand

“These proposals are aimed at balancing public safety and the interests of licensed firearms holders. The new Authority will be best placed to make an objective and independent assessment as to whether we continue to allow certain firearms to be licensed and result in a more transparent licensing system. In the meantime all persons who currently hold licences for 0.22 inch rim fire calibre handguns can apply to have those licences renewed.”

in the meantime

• This is alarming as it shows how they are thinking about handguns so as Cass just said previously about SACF being 40 people well ok fair but if they retrospectively try to ban 22 handguns too then it’s a lot more people. It’s all very depressing reading

Cass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119862655#Comment_119862655

I know many will roll their eyes at me rehashing this but as long as it's asked the answer will always be the same.

When the so called sports coalition proposed in February 2015 that a cap be out on all semi auto rifles (among a host of other ridiculous and unworkable scenarios) the Minister, already wanting those type of firearms gone due to the bullsh*t coming from America, took the bit between her teeth and moved forward with a proposed ban (in September the same year) having, what she could only imagine was, the support of the shooting community behind her.

So add that to the list of reasons I have above about lobbying jot working. Our "own" are worse than those who stand opposed to us.

This ban serves no function. The low numbers it effects only highlight the LACK of proliferation of these types of firearms so public safety is not the objective, the removal of undesirable firearms is.

Cass

but if they retrospectively try to ban 22 handguns too then it’s a lot more people

They cannot do so, at least not from today, back. This ban and the 2009 pistol ban was applied retrospectively because it was announced it was coming. No such announcement has been made regarding other pistols or any other firearms ( yet) so any announcement would only be applied retrospectively from the date of an announcement.

The retrospective nature of these laws is actually limited in that it cannot make something that was legal, illegal. For example if bank robbery was legal today and a law was passed next week making it illegal you could.notnbenprosecuted retrospectively for robbing banks last week, once the new law comes out.

This is why we have grandfathering. They cannot ban something that was legal before a specific date. If they could all pistols and all rifles would be gone and it's at this point we move from refusing to license to having to pay compensation.

itisnotgrand

I see from my reading of the 2015 ministers comments I was getting a different interpretation that “in the meantime” meant that there will come a point where those of us who are renewing currently will be unable to do so and this so called “Authority” will have the decision to not renew ours. However from your explanation Cass I can see it meaning that they will bring in a 08 style ban but this time finish what they started and ban all handguns period.

Not sure what or who or why the ministers/AGS are so anti gun? criminals have and will have access to firearms with or without any legislation!

tonysopprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119862655#Comment_119862655

Ah once again "lets throw, (take your pick) CF pistols/all pistols/CFSA rifles/AR RIFLES" under the bus, and they won't come after the rest of us. This shows your true colours and the fact that you are prepared to sacrifice what you don't have, just to placate those you call " the **ckers".This idea is why we are where we are today, divided and conquored.

Cass

Make no mistake she wanted a ban and said in her 2015 statement that she would introduce a temporary cap on the licensing of SACF rifles while this authority done their review. The problem there is such a cap is illegal as you cannot prohibit the licensing of any gun without legislation to support such a prohibition.

So they are not infallible in their actions. Perhaps she did consider trying to slowly get rid of them by refusing the licenses but with the courts having a say since 2009 and the persona designata status moving, solely, away from AGS my refusal would have to be based in good reason and the initial granting of the license would make that nigh on impossible.

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119862655#Comment_119862655

AHHH...Here we go and guess what? This was going to be predictable as rain in Ireland.

Now we know the target of AGS were the ugly and totally lethal .223 AS AR-style rifles, but what about the folks who legitimately participate in M1 carbine matches, historic rifles like the M! Garand that individuals purchased for not small money?If the **ckers want AR style rifles let them have them bur for god sake let common sense prevail and preserve the opportunity to access historical firearms"

Quite frankly...FUK YOU! and your M1 Carbines and Garands and how much they cost you, or anyone else with this attitude!.😡😡😡. We are now ALL in the same damn boat that has been leaking water for the last 7 years and now you discover it's sinking and you want to throw others to the sharks to save your own miserable hide.😡😡😡😡

Well, it seems reality has now popped out of the toilet and bitten you in the ass.!Well here's another bit of news for you. There are more AR-style rifles and owners in this 38 number post-2015 in this group affected, with rifles that cost TWICE as much as classic Garands and M1carbines...

So sorry... This is the AR lifeboat only... You are on your own, and you just put a millstone around your own neck for any sympathy for you or any of the Classic boys/dealers thinking the same way with the above posts... Happy swimming FUDDS!!

Grizzly 45.

tonysopprano

Well put Grizz

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119863027#Comment_119863027

It wasn't going to fly post the DC court cases in Limerick in 2012/13.The judiciary had found favour in 98% of all appeals cases, and it would look like the Govt changing the law to suit itself. Might have gone differently if the EU had voted on a EU wide ban on these guns post-Paris massacres, as they would have had an EU directive to hang it on.Nor did the favourable Dail public inquiry do anything for their case of banning stuff.

From reading Fitzgeralds' statements This looks like a typical "Compromise and be all things to all men" statement. A lot,that I think the minister knew she wouldn't be able to deliver on or would have to as her term of office would be over and let her kick this particular can down the road,as is common in Irish politics.

Ban future SA rifle licenses post-2015... A deal with AGS/DOJ keeps them happy. As it is a clearly stated DOJ,EU and UN policy of "Reducing the number of arms in civilian hands!"ESP anything that might put civilians on par with Govt forces. As well as the fear of proliferation of them in civilian hands in Irish society!" Would be very damaging to someone's political career.

Firearms Arbitration Authority, along with reviewing reloading,etc. A sop to us, and a good delaying mechanism to prevent anyone from taking future cases to the Dist court and embarrassing the govt further. Review reloading...Why when there is legislation there in place for it? Been promised since Enda Kenny was elected ...Wont happen.

Review of the Garda licensing procedures etc...Improved 100% since they got Harris as a Commissioner, and a lot of the old boys club of Supers and chiefs were put out to pasture on the golf course.

"22pistol proliferation"didn't happen the same as the SACF proliferation didn't either [38 SACF licenses between 2015 and 2021 going by official DOJ figures...] I Wouldnt say .22 pistols are much higher.

Simple reason, unlike with the CF pistols going from 0 to 1200 plus in 12 months back then,it was much more regulated by the time we got to the .22s post the mag capacity High court challenge,and the approved Olympic style only "list.A pre requisite of being a club member,travel distances and cash outlay has put IMO a lot of the "I want one cuz I can" types off applying for such.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119862655#Comment_119862655

Seriously?

Edit - In fact my signature is quite poignant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty9ZSOlreQw

Grizzly 45

Always one

BSA International

So 38 people ignored what minister said, some fobbed it off here as BS, then told us it was all sorted, now they realise they were wrong ........ hard to feel sympathy for them. These firearms were always going to be contentious to Garda and even "Joe Public".

I went through f/b pistols fiasco. Learned my lesson then. I'd have loved an M1 Garand but after 2015 announcement and my previous experience with 2008 pistol announcement I didn't bother. This will never stop. PTB may tolerate 22 b/a rifles and 12g o/u shotguns as an end game. It states you can reapply for your pre 2015 f/b s/a rifle licence. Same happened with f/b pistols post 2008. People reapplied and lots were refused and some took costly court cases.

This is not an endgame scenario ......... this deciding what we can/cannot have and for what........ that's how they are going to bring us back to b/a 22's and s/s 12g's .......

itisnotgrand

How many .22lr pistols are licensed in the Rep of Ireland? Any guess?

Munsterlad102

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119863592#Comment_119863592

IIRC there were about 1,200 licensed in 2019 so probably on the region of 3,000-4,000 with the 3 year licenses.

Munsterlad102

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119863027#Comment_119863027

Just out of curiosity, did she ever mention a permanent ban on CFSA rifles or just “temporary cap”? Would this even make any difference if she hadn’t?

Munsterlad102

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119862655#Comment_119862655

AGS will ban whatever firearms they can. Sure look at the 1972 temporary custody order that effectively banned everything other than bolt action 22s and double barrelled 12 gauges. You have to be naive to think that AGS are ok with an M1 carbine and not ok with an AR-15. All they see is a military rifle, whether that’s accurate or not.

Minister Fitz didn’t act on advice of AGS, she only realised CFSA was legal when Europe was f*cking around with proposed bans on 2015. She tried to ban them outright without compensation but didn’t know that was illegal. AGS just harp on about random firearms and how suited they are for drug murders. Sure they were saying that high capacity shotguns and low powered handguns were suited for murder, despite already banned or grandfathered firearms being favoured. In short AGS aren’t instigating this, they’re merely capitalising on an opportunity to restrict our sport. They’d rather we have air soft guns than what were legally permitted.

Cass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119864063#Comment_119864063

Yes, she specifically said that the intent was to ban the further licensing of SACF rifles and the temp cap was meant to stop the licensing of them until legislation was drafted. However the cap was illegal so came to nothing.

And no, difference. The end goal was the same and has been achieved.

Cass

Minister Fitz didn’t act on advice of AGS,

She took advice/counsel from AGS, the working groups and the secret proposal from the sports coalition whose chairman is currently sitting on the so called expert panel.

Couldn't make this up, ya really couldn't. The guy that called for banning these sits on the panel, NOW, and is meant to be a representative of the shooting community.

Cass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119863592#Comment_119863592

In the region of 2,200 iirc.

itisnotgrand

Trying to picture the next situation where minister is told by a persuasive Anti gun person that there’s X amount of 22 pistols + Y amount fb/cf pistols in the country….. Ah then I can defo see “the proliferation of firearms act 2023” being drawn up already. plus our friendly Waterford political friend chipping in again no doubt will help push it onto the agenda

Cass

Do you realize that the majority of harm done to our sport over the past 16 years has been initiated by groups within the shooting community?

So who needs anti gunners. We're doing a top notch job of fecking it up ourselves by allowing these people unchecked freedoms in their actions.

itisnotgrand

No I didn’t realise that. From my observations irl it’s Old vs New and it’s a mindset not an age thing. Exhibit 1 above: M1 carbine is good but AR 223 is bad. I read that post a few times and I’m still in disbelief. The holistic viewpoint is missing.

BSA International

Fair few 22 pistols out there so.

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119864126#Comment_119864126

He is called Austin Deasy from Waterford. Thankfully,not in power in any shape or form,but is wheeled out like an old political relic by MSM to spout his nonsense,as they do with Bertie Aherne and John Major when the need arises. Why they think some yesterday's man is relevant to a topic in current affairs is beyond me...

But just remember ONE thing folks.ALL our restrictive legislation/bans have come from politicians in one party here FIANNA FAIL!!!

1972 Tempoary custody order Dessie O Malley Min for Justice Fianna Fail

1990 Offensive weapons act Ray Burke & willie O Dea FF

2006/08 Misc criminal Justice provisions act mk 1 Dermot Aherne Min for Justice and already avowed anti-gun ownership Fianna Fail.

2022 Misc criminal justice provisions act mk 2 Helen Mc Entee& James Brown Min for Justice and state seconded to dept of Justice Fianna Fail.

Vote who you want.But on that point alone,I'll never vote FF again.

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119864162#Comment_119864162

Shows when the chips are down which rats start coming out to try and save "their " exclusive sector of the sport. Common enough problem and should be noted and not helped at all by those who were affected when "their exclusive disipline or firearm" is next on the chopping block.As the UK Olympic pistol team found out post-Dunblane. They ended up having to train in Switzerland to represent the UK.Exclusevity is no protection from the anti-gun zealots.

Munsterlad102

So rather than bickering, what’s the next step? Do we take this lying down or do we actually try and do something?

Just a suggestion, but ranges should stop renting space for AGS training if they actively try to ban our sport and are allowed to shoot CFSA. If we can’t shoot CFSA, then neither can they.

BSA International

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119865636#Comment_119865636

1. Bickering won't stop.

2. We will have to take it any way they give it to "us".

3. Revenue from DOJ helps keep range/s open.

BSA International

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119865431#Comment_119865431

Calling other shooters rats and looking at your previous post, hardly fosters a spirit of comradeship among shooters who may disagree with you. Why don't FUNI, which you seem be, stop it? Haven't you been in with DOJ on this matter? You didn't need my support then.

Personally, I don't see the need for s/a f/b rifles in civvy hands, apart from an M1 Garand 😀 I'd like one of them.

BUT I would never advocate for or back a ban on any firearm. As for current situation, I reckon we need to pick our battles & avoid looking for firearms that "draw attention".

If NI kicks off again we'll probably see another 1972 type confiscation of firearms ........

garrettod

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing...

BSA International

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119866719#Comment_119866719

Hardly relevant considering firearm ownership here is a privilege granted or revoked by Government not a right enshrined in our constitution.

😞

Munsterlad102

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119866285#Comment_119866285

Why don't you just hand in your guns for destruction then? Seriously, how can you honestly sit back and be complicit in this ban and expect others to fight for you when the types of firearms you have come under scrutiny? AGS clearly want to ban every type of firearm imaginable, so why don't you be a good little boy and do their work for them, like you're doing now? What happens when they come for your .22 pistol? Why should anyone care about you or your property if you don't give a sh*t about anyone else's? You try to shoot down my suggestions, make irrelevant points and show a general level of apathy about the ban. How are you any different from those proposing it or implementing it?

BSA International

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119867003#Comment_119867003

1. Why would I hand them in if I don't have to?

2. Nothing I do or don't do will stop this ban.

3. Nobody will or has fought for anything I currently have or had previously except me nor do I expect this situation to change.

4. If they come for anything I have I'll have to hand it to them.

5. Not shooting down your suggestions. Just pointing out reality.

6. Not apathy more resignation to reality.

7. I'm different simply because I'm not passing or implementing the legislation.

8. I have not voted for any FG, FF or Green candidate since 2008 therefore, they do not represent me.

Cass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119865636#Comment_119865636

Iirc Gardai are exempt from having to license their duty firearms (at least I the same way the DF lads are) and they're not the ones that legislate. So kinda pointless.

As for what to do next, what exactly do you think can be done?

garrettod

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119866873#Comment_119866873

Its entirely relevant - let's not forget, the Government ultimately works for us!

We all do the right thing, get licences, have insurance etc. Why should we have to be silent, and take this nonsense, from a couple of our employees?

BSA International

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119867614#Comment_119867614

Unfortunately, there's not enough of "us" that the government need to take notice of "us" 😞

Cass

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Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119866324#Comment_119866324

I'll call anyone who advocates throwing any other gun type or person or shooter under the bus to save themselves here more than a rat, and to their face too,and if they don't like it we can sort it outside in the parking lot too. Comradeship HAH!!Some nerve...Bloody Judas more like.And stupid too as they obviously have learned nothing from those that have gone before with this.

Oh so now you want FUNI to ride to the rescue when you yourself were bitching and moaning here that we are "not speaking for the majority of shooters" and have" no mandate to speak for anyone"? And thanks I'm sure we'll manage without your assistance and input too.

Why not go and complain to the "approved organisation run by the NARGC?FURG.After all, they are supposedly running this approved response. Or how about NASRPC?After all, this directly affects one of their disciplines, M1 carbine...

Firearms that "draw attention"... What colour is the sky on the planet you are currently on??... Do you not get it? The anti-gun lobby do not give a fiddley about your SXS and bolt action .22.Next it will be target and hunting rifles..." High power sniper rifles than can shoot 10 miles and destroy tanks with one single round" They want them ALL gone...End of... You do not negotiate with people like this who are prepared to play the long game to destroy your ownership. So saying one type of gun will draw more attention than another is just ostrich thinking.[Put head in the ground leaving ass to be kicked].

What has NI got to do with anything?That happened over 50 years ago, and was a complete disaster by the Irish govt,that is STILL paying appx 4 million PA of our tax euros in security by the army on now a bunch of guns that they can't get rid of as it is Irish civilian property that the govt temporarily confiscated and by doing so took direct responsibility for. This is like the dormant bank accounts,still have to pay out if someone shows up with the paperwork to collect grandpa's Thompson or 5 punt savings account.

BSA International

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868952#Comment_119868952

1. Read my posts again re FUNI. Apart from you who's in it or has a say in it? Another solo run that done more damage!

2. I'm a member of at least one of your approved" orgs. As I said in earlier post nobody ever sone anything to help me get what I have so I already know going to any of them is pointless.

3. Read my previous posts, we agree PTB want all firearm gone.

4. Hissy fits don't impress me. Threats of violence? Hardly conducive to firearms ownership.

5. Recent events in NI don't bode well for continuance of "peace" with Loyalists making threats and 1972 all over again 😞 .......

6.It's you who needs to come live in the real world. .....

Grizzly 45

There are two things an Irish politician in power fears the most;

1] Being attached to a scandal or incident that potentially shows them in a bad light and may damage their position.

2] Anything that might damage their chances of re-election.

So plenty to work with there and if people have the testicular matter to want to do so.

3] Legal challenge to both this proposed legislation and /or FEC as it was clearly not constituted as an impartial body, esp the Chair being quite in tight with a certain Cork politician as per her FB pages.Get that under an HC judicial review,and the whole act section has to be re-examined.However,that means putting hands in pockets...so I wont wait for that to happen.

4] Consider alterations to the guns themselves to make them compliant IE NON semi auto.

Also, unconfirmed scuttlebutt. It seems DOJ /AGS were in favour of grandfathering the post-2015 licenses as the easy solution to this, and were totally shot down on this by the Minister[s]

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119869036#Comment_119869036

1] You know or want to know SFA about FUNI.

Despite you been given plenty of advice and info on the group and where it is and what it stands for EU-wide.So... "Solo runs" as you call them from FUNI got more info from the DOJ and more importantly the EU , than your approved orgs have ever got here and given publically to their members?

2] Why are you not bitching to the approved org you are a member of?

You seem to be paying membership and getting VERY little representation or information from any of them. [FUNI doesn't charge any membership either BTW]Apart from grandiose announcements and little follow-up. Still waiting for that "robust reply" to the DOJ from one of them about ammo storage in suitable receptacles

3] Agreed, but not sorted by ostrich,or "don't mention the semi-autos!" thinking will save your particular gun.

4] Threat of violence?🤣 .it can also mean a loud heated argumentative discussion away from polite company too.But I suppose being Irish you immediately thought punch up...Really!🤣

5] The Loyalists going back to war???... And I thought I was the paranoid one!🤣🤣🤣.

A bunch of basically now Narco street gangs posing as Loyal, well-trained armed subjects to the King,with just as little arms as they had before the last troubles started...Nah!

What would be more interesting to see is how Dublin ever intends to integrate our polar opposite firearms laws into a 32-county united Ireland.Esp things like concealed carry permits,and what will the new police force of a united Ireland be?

BSA International

1. Grizzly, answer my question @ 1. above?

2. They give me insurance cover.

3. Neogiate? How do we negotiate? We have only one "right" when it comes to firearms, the right to apply for a licence, (unless, you are prohibited by legislation).

FB/SA, not my fight or problem.

4. *pulls up seat, gets popcorn* ...........

Cass

1] Being attached to a scandal or incident that potentially shows them in a bad light and may damage their position.

2] Anything that might damage their chances of re-election

What exactly shows them in a bad light or would damage their chance for re-election? This ban?

Not a chance.

The majority of people through apathy or ignorance think firearms should be banned so this ban would not damage any TDs standing or chance of re-election.

3] Legal challenge to both this proposed legislation and /or FEC

As for challenges to the legislation, that would require the courts and iirc only when it's an actual act. Not while its still in "bill form".

As for challenges to the FEC, it was a Ministerial initiative, not subject to review or legislation by the courts and completely at the Ministers discretion as there was no need, right or onus on the Minister to create such a group. In short she didn't have to appoint a committee and we had no expectation of anything as we have on rights in this matter.

4] Consider alterations to the guns themselves to make them compliant IE NON semi auto.

This would be the only course of action left open to everyone, well those willing.

I'm am, without intending to, knocking most things because this is the absolute literal example of closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. Some of this stuff would have been useful, helpful or perhaps even effective two, three or four years ago.

I just don't see any of it being of any use and if the scuttlebutt you speak of is true and she is ignoring AGS/DoJ advice on grandfathering she already has her mind made up.

Cass

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itisnotgrand

Picture yourself as young person, (I’ve God willing another 60 years of shooting fun ahead of me) female or green to the sport. It’s incredibly difficult as is to get the correct knowledge in all things Irish firearms. A forward thinking solution would be an educational and friendly welcome for new shooters. I found when I entered the sport it to be difficult to get info and make friends with shooters (privacy and security issues aside). If it was easy to get info and the myths and many many firearm laws were easy for all people to understand then we would surly have more than 38 SACF owners to start with…. Give that a serious thought. Sport dies without new blood. AGS don’t need to lift a pen if they know young people are not joining and can’t even get info or are intimidated. This also applied to any RFD here. Your best costumer is a new costumer, There are v v few RFD shops in country that I’d say are friendly to new shooters. There’s also many RFDs and most shooters who are themselves unsure of many of the nuances around the laws and calibres and finer details of some firearm platforms.

Now for a hard truth. If you’re a true shooting fan and want the sport to continue on here when your dead and gone then realise its 2022 not 1922. Tacticool is in. Wooden stocks and sentimental war era sticks are not. Think John Wick not Dunkirk. Support any young lad or lady with a modern toy and not derate them for not liking your classics. I can guarantee you a pistol or semi auto rifle (be it in Rimfire) will attract in new blood faster than a wooden stick.

Grizzly 45

As for challenges to the legislation, that would require the courts and iirc only when it's an actual act. Not while its still in "bill form".

As for challenges to the FEC, it was a Ministerial initiative, not subject to review or legislation by the courts and completely at the Ministers discretion as there was no need, right or onus on the Minister to create such a group. In short she didn't have to appoint a committee and we had no expectation of anything as we have on rights in this matter. I just don't see any of it being of any use and if the scuttlebutt you speak of is true and she is ignoring AGS/DoJ advice on grandfathering she already has her mind made up

I checked this with a senior retired civil servant with over 30 years in the system. If you set up one of these committees, the idea is that you as minister are to take advice from them on the topic no 1,and no 2 if it is proven that this is a non-impartial committee and are using political appointments with no relevant experience to the subject at hand,[The chair, being well in with both FG and FF politicos from Cork,going by her FB account.and being aCeleb financial legal advisor on RTE "Show me the money" in 2000,isn't exactly impartial or firearms knowledgeable] its a faulty committee and its existence and report can be challenged, and probably BETTER when it becomes an act as it is then set in stone more or less. As We are in November and FEC is supposed to deliver its report Dec/Jan[?] Why has the minister made up his /her mind on this and has this proposal already on the White paper without waiting for FEC's report?IOW why bother wasting everyone's time?The simple fact is the govt these days does have to have a mirage of "openness and accountability" by holding such committees on various topics,whether ministers act on it is another thing. But it's generally considered a courtesy to WAIT for a committee report before deciding on a course of action.

4] Consider alterations to the guns themselves to make them compliant IE NON-semi auto.

This would be the only course of action left open to everyone, well those willing.

I am, without intending to, knocking on most things because this is the absolute literal example of closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. Some of this stuff would have been useful, helpful or perhaps even effective two, three or four years ago.

Or you could sum up the last 4 years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee6-sI9rdtA

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119869646#Comment_119869646

A factual truthful mouthful was said there.

Cass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119869924#Comment_119869924

@Grizzly 45

The idea is ...

Take advice from ...

Courtesy...

None of which compel, legally, the Minister to do any of those. The Minister is the final word. Above AGS, above committees, above all others. The Ministers office has power to issue licenses AGS cannot as well as revoking them and as such she has the final, and in this case, only word that matters.

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119863388#Comment_119863388

Anybody who applied for and was granted a semi-auto licence did so completely within the law. They were lawfully granted licences. I don't understand why you appear to be almost gleeful that this legislation is on the way.

The Minister couldn't introduce a cap at the time as that would have been illegal. What the Minister did was to introduce a defacto cap by putting in the date 18/09/15 which possibly can be challenged in the courts.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119869386#Comment_119869386

FB/SA, not my fight or problem

You've a sh1te attitude. They'll come for some of your guns one day.

Grizzly 45

MEANTIME,and slightly OT,but just shows what sort of a clown country we are living in, where 38 licenses are a threat to national security and dodgy deals are being done with higher-ups in aGS in relation to firearms holsters.

.Along with AGS apparently "mislaying" over 1000 official duty handguns...Coincidentally the number of pulled firearms tickets. Would think the ministers could concern themselves more with such events and the possible lawsuits that are going to come down the tracks from this from aGS personnel.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/unsafe-garda-gun-holsters-were-bought-by-force-whistleblower-claims-42139960.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=seeding&fbclid=IwAR1A9l0c65sK6DdEXDqzJ8k1eXexXJKw9KFm7E_8vPw08cpc5xTLB9su1d4