Dole 'summer bonus' .. are they for real?

Juran

I read on local Galway paper some TD calling for dole summer bonus, while some Labour TD called for as well a few weeks ago. I had to read it a second time to check it wasnt a joke.

There are currently 50k open jobs in Ireland, if not more. All medical, pharma, food and technology companies, warehouses, etc in Ireland cant find staff, unskilled or skilled. Every shop, cafe, bar, resturant I go into have notices looking for staff. My college age nephew & nieces are refusing extra hours to focus on their studies. Notices in local papersfor drivers, cleaners, care assistants, etc.

And opposition politicans are calling for dole summer bonuses. As if its hard enough already to get people off the dole and into work.

Sardonicat

Dole summer bonus or welfare summer bonus?

ericfartman

This is great news. More money for pints in the pub and backing horses in the bookies. Think i'll stick that 208 euro on a single horse. I currently have six kids for the extra benefits and will be thrown out of the house when 16 as no longer be of use to me. The local council kit out my council house so that's all good there.

Thank you tax payer, you work so I don't have to.

Danno

Must be an election coming - looking to buy votes again. At this rate, folks on low pay must be scratching their heads wondering "why bother?"

SEPT 23 1989

youze r ony gellus

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058249538/dole-summer-bonus-are-they-for-real

Do you have any details on this? With the exception of fraudsters, nobody is getting paid because they don't want to work, its because they can't or are on low income.

ericfartman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180429#Comment_119180429

You don't actually believe that do you? Plenty of people have no intention of ever working and claiming benefits for the rest of their lives.

If the dole was enough to live on,they would never have set the PUP at e350 a week

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180460#Comment_119180460

Yes I do. They don't hand out money just because you ask.

How many?

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180460#Comment_119180460

What's 'plenty' in percentage terms of the labour force?

Let's put a number on this.

ericfartman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180725#Comment_119180725

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180678#Comment_119180678

Have a look at social housing, people getting free houses with no intention of ever working.

There in every town and village in Ireland.

Also people on illness benefit as they got a note from there doctor even though there capable of working.

Ever see Turas Nua or whatever its called. There job is basically forcing people to go to work and getting people off long term employment who have no intention of working whatsoever.

The two of you are probably the most naive people I've ever seen posting.

ericfartman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180742#Comment_119180742

Way that your so naïve that you don't actually get what happens with welfare in the real world.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180744#Comment_119180744

Way to not answer the question X 2

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180733#Comment_119180733

So you don't know and are assuming.

As regards 'free houses' we are in a housing crisis and we need many more 'free houses' or to be more accurate, subsidised housing.

We've very low unemployment and to get money or any assistance you need show you need it. Anyone not working just because, would be defrauding the state, otherwise nobody is simply collecting money because they choose not to work.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180733#Comment_119180733

Whenever anyone uses the social housing = unemployed layabout, it's a giveaway they don't have a fcuking clue.

ericfartman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180749#Comment_119180749

4.7% is what it's currently at.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180742#Comment_119180742

I actually agree with you.

Everyone needs to to do something withe their lives.

ericfartman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180754#Comment_119180754

Any of them I know popped out kids before they were 21 and never worked a day in their lives.

I know plenty of them. You obviously don't have a fuc king clue.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180761#Comment_119180761

How many is plenty? Where are these entire swathes of dole gaffes with no income?

Or are you talking shite?

Galwayguy35

Labour must be worried their traditional voters are going to leave them for the Soc Dems and the Greens.

They are a bit late to the party though SF have been pushing the welfare angle for quite some time now.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180386#Comment_119180386

People on middle incomes probably think the same thing, paying for everything and entitled to nothing.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180744#Comment_119180744

Ah but they have your mark alright - a new poster who thinks his options are facts. So it’s time you either post factual links or your next post just confirms their call.

My bet is you’ll confirm their call.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180756#Comment_119180756

No link no value.

When anyone signs up with an account name like jizzballs or arsemonkey or ericfartman, I find it's best not to engage. Just report.

ericfartman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180753#Comment_119180753

How actually naïve are you? 😂

I'm sure all the scumbags in dublin are dying to get to work. 😂 They know how to work the system and are defrauding the state but know how to go about it to get their money every week. Its not rocket science to do.

zell12

Dunno what defunct Labour are playing at

The Labour Party has said all social welfare payments should be increased by €15pw while a ‘summer bonus’ – along the lines of the Christmas bonus – should be paid out to help people deal with the cost of living crisis. There should be a once-off double payment of all social welfare benefits, like that at Christmas

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/labour-td-calls-for-summer-bonus-for-social-welfare-recipients-to-deal-with-cost-of-living-crisis-41711060.html

Kermit.de.frog

Is there any other country who refer to extra welfare payments as a "bonus"?

I'd thought a bonus was supposed to be something earned.

Must be behind the times.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180817#Comment_119180817

So we agree. The only way to do it is by fraud. You don't know how many people are doing it. Yet here you are giving out about it. I agree its a problem but we've far bigger problems. Would we agree the majority are genuine cases? I won't begrudge someone who relies on state aid getting a little more if its deemed necessary due to inflation.

I think 'bonus' is a terrible term to use.

eggy81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180769#Comment_119180769

So it doesn’t happen at all is what you are saying. No one is on the dole having popped out kids and never worked after finishing school. Or ended up unemployed after last recession and was comfortable and never went back when things picked up. You’re saying that situation does not exist in Ireland.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180910#Comment_119180910

Yes, that is exactly what you have made up me saying.

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180464#Comment_119180464

Those on PUP had to continue to pay their mortgages or rent - all of which are more than the ~€30 rent charged to those on Jobseekers social welfare in local authority housing. And where those jobseekers were in private housing there is payments made to landlords directly on behalf of the tennant.

Secondly, PUP at €350 per week doesn't come with a free medical card either.

Thirdly, there was no fuel allowance payments made to PUP recipients - let alone the additional balloon payments made last month

When talking about Jobseekers social welfare and what they get - there is alot more than the €208 per week into their hands to consider.

Minimum wage in this country barely clears €350 after taxes.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180756#Comment_119180756

4.7% is the current unemployement rate.

Are all of that number never intending to work again, on their trampolines in the back garden of their 'free gaffe' mocking you?

Is this the 'plenty' you speak of?

We are, btw, statistically at full employment.

Strumms

its simply politicking and a vote hunting exercise.

Christmas is an essentially expensive time for everyone so the rationale of the extra payment is sound.

A one off extra payment in summer goes fûck all ways to offset the cost of living… and there is no reason which I can see to gift it.

Real Donald Trump

No harm I guess, it could be of some help to the Ukrainian's coming in.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180769#Comment_119180769

Well….Seems the majority in social housing are unemployed.

How many social houses are there?

You do the maths.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181166#Comment_119181166

'seems', 'plenty'

We're not getting a lot of detail out of the likes of you.

Butson

Remember when I lived in Australia, one Christmas I was telling a group of Oz and English guys I worked with about the "Christmas bonus" double dole at home.

Couldn't believe it.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181166#Comment_119181166

Yeah, except that's not true.

ericfartman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181079#Comment_119181079

Your talking absolute nonsense, you know nothing of the amount of people working the system.

Your living in fuc king cloud cuckoo land.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181212#Comment_119181212

Way to not answer the question X 3

Still stihl waters 3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180386#Comment_119180386

You're overestimating the voting power of the welfare classes

Still stihl waters 3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180464#Comment_119180464

Good, it should be just enough to feed yourself and barely cover the bills, there's no point making it comfortable or people would get used to it

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180863#Comment_119180863

Spot on - and add into the mix the bonuses paid bankers and property developers who drove the country into debt and recession, the bonuses paid to the C-Suite in the public services like health who have it almost in ruin.

Bonuses paid to already wealthy in the form of 5K grants to buy a new EV.

Meanwhile the rest of us who work hard, do a good job and get paid a bit more than minimum wage can go swing for any sort of state support. They dream up of ever increasing ways of taxing us be it carbon taxes, MUP, higher motor taxes if you can't afford to change your car, and so forth.

The truth is there are ones gaming the system at both ends of the spectrum, the bottom end don't want to work, the top end don't want to work hard and both love dipping into the public purse for their bag of silver.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181173#Comment_119181173

Oh sorry I’ll rephrase.

The majority of people in social housing are unemployed.

That clearer for you?

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181197#Comment_119181197

Except it is true.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181332#Comment_119181332

You'll be able to back that up with some sort of proof?

Jarhead_Tendler

They sure know how to antagonise those of us on low wages

Jarhead_Tendler

come on man. I know several people some related to me who havn't worked since the 80s. Well able to do nixers but god forbid they'd have to give a bit back to the taxman

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181342#Comment_119181342

No problem.

We will start with Dublin so, the countries capital with the biggest population.

http://www.publicpolicyarchive.ie/social-housing-some-data/

A Law

They're not for real. That's how politics works.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181342#Comment_119181342

https://assets.gov.ie/219921/a5419e65-a5ff-4c84-80de-1f18919e0c73.pdf

Page 15 for the rest.

“The employment status of most qualified applicants remains as unemployed; however, this has reduced slightly (53.2% compared to 54.0% in 2020) and the largest proportion of households continue to have an income source from social welfare only (58.2% in 2021 compared to 59.2% in 2020).”

All day long I can go.