Dole 'summer bonus' .. are they for real?

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181250#Comment_119181250

You cannot decide to stay on welfare.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181357#Comment_119181357

You have no numbers for the people who are defrauding the dole.

Once again its **** on those worse off while we shrug off the wastes of tax money by politicians.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181398#Comment_119181398

Nope.

Just providing the evidence that the majority in social housing are unemployed.

Hey, don’t shoot the messenger…

Gant21

Mickey money.

Still stihl waters 3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181398#Comment_119181398

But there are people who fraud the system to stay on it long term

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181398#Comment_119181398

You pretty much can, once in a blue moon they'll write out to you and/or try and get you to go to Turas Nua and the likes, but the few long-term dolers I know laugh it off.

It's a sad existence for the few ones who won't work, but many of them do a few nixers pulling in a couple of hundred extra a week and have a right handy time of it.

Gant21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181451#Comment_119181451

Those bums should be reported and put out doing community work.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180464#Comment_119180464

PUP was not Dole, Never was Dole, Not even regarded as a SW payment, it was an emergency payment for those who either lost their jobs or were laid off because of the Pandemic or Government emergency measures.

Few people saw the color of €350 after year one, many got €250 or less and as of November 2021, no one got more than €208 for it remaining few months.

The €350 figure is utter hogwash

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181468#Comment_119181468

Would they not need extra money for gas and grub?

Gant21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181480#Comment_119181480

Go raid the money tree.

Dempo1

Rarely a week goes by and another Social welfare bashing thread.

This time around because some TD makes a suggestion, let's kick all on SW. Perhaps OP is not aware, Unemployment levels are a record lows and SW encompasses 10"s of thousands on Disibility payments and I might add other supports because people's incomes are so low, Heck there's even a working family payment.

Then there's this bizzare assumption SW Throw money at people and everyone gets free money and Fuel Allowance, it's utter nonsense. Those on illness benefit, entitled to nothing but an illness benefit payment, if they qualify for it, a Jobseekeer has to be on JSA for 15 months before being eligible for fuel allowance.

People need to check some facts before arbitrarily throwing out assumptions and down right misinformation. Yes there are abuses but a tiny, tiny percentage of SW claimants abuse the system.

Like it or not, both SW recepients and working people are struggling, thats a simple fact and we've seen nothing yet, baton down the hatches those who obsess about people on SW and low incomes, you might find yourself needing support sometime and maybe sooner than you think.

Gant21

More than a tiny percentage abusing the system, get your facts in order ^

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181557#Comment_119181557

What is the percentage then?

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181557#Comment_119181557

I've seen your nonsense before, the facts are clear and available for you to check before spouting further mis information but of course its not about abuses you tarnish everyone on a SW support, wether they be ill, disabled, unemployed, working part time, actually working with the same vile ugly brush.

Cop on and have a little respect.

Hoboo

Can we not just get the teachers to fill the jobs in hospitality, at least for the summer months?

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181608#Comment_119181608

The hospitality recruitment issue is an entirely unrelated matter to SW, that sector has itself to blame for its own mess, there's a thread dedicated to this issue, but that aside and despite an impression it's easy to fill or do hospitality jobs, it is not (I speak from many years of experience in the sector) people have left it, never, ever to return to it.

Gant21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181562#Comment_119181562

Is the covid/war forums having a slow day to say you are adding another string to your bow?

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180742#Comment_119180742

Well said 😉

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180863#Comment_119180863

That's something you might refer to the department for an explanation , it's them that refers to extra payments as bonuses, not recepients.

AMKC

I think it's a great idea. Will be welcomed. Costs have gone up in recent times. It will probably never happen but if it does that would be great thank you.

tooka

It’s not the individuals fault for being long term welfare recipients

if you have a system that rewards certain behaviours with social housing, hap, dole, disability benefit, carers allowance and also turns a blind eye to the black market then you are doomed to more people living on the welfare state and the more money you spend on welfare the more people who will end up on welfare

it’s the system that is the problem

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181637#Comment_119181637

I have no idea what that syntax-turd of a post means.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181637#Comment_119181637

State benefits Forum too quite for you it would seem 🙄

Gant21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181659#Comment_119181659

Sure you do. That’s enough entertaining you.

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181522#Comment_119181522

Rarely a week goes by and another Social welfare bashing thread.

It's the Jobseekers Allowance that comes under scrutiny and rightly so.

This time around because some TD makes a suggestion, let's kick all on SW. Perhaps OP is not aware, Unemployment levels are a record lows and SW encompasses 10"s of thousands on Disability payments and I might add other supports because people's incomes are so low, Heck there's even a working family payment.

Nobody is begrudging genuine recipients of Disability Allowances and supports, ditto for Working Family Payments. Unemployment levels being low is great, and shows that there are plenty of jobs to be had for those on JSA - especially those on JSA for two years, two decades, etc... Heck we're even importing people to fill roles that long-term JSA recipients won't apply for.

Then there's this bizzare assumption SW Throw money at people and everyone gets free money and Fuel Allowance, it's utter nonsense. Those on illness benefit, entitled to nothing but an illness benefit payment, if they qualify for it, a Jobseekeer has to be on JSA for 15 months before being eligible for fuel allowance.

Over 370,000 households are on Fuel Allowance payments gov.ie - Extra Fuel Allowance payment of €100 will be made this week - Minister Humphreys (www.gov.ie)

How many of these are going to long-term JSA recipients? We know there are north of 65K long term (over one-year) claimants: Live Register May 2022 - CSO - Central Statistics Office

Did any low-income working household get this extra money? Zero.

People need to check some facts before arbitrarily throwing out assumptions and down right misinformation. Yes there are abuses but a tiny, tiny percentage of SW claimants abuse the system.

You cannot claim that abuses are a tiny percentage of the amount of claimants - the Dept of Social Protection don't actively investigate all claims. Have they investigated all 65K above?

Like it or not, both SW recipients and working people are struggling, that's a simple fact and we've seen nothing yet, baton down the hatches those who obsess about people on SW and low incomes, you might find yourself needing support sometime and maybe sooner than you think.

I want to focus on your last line "you might find yourself needing support sometime and maybe sooner than you think." - Do you think it is right that if someone who has worked decades and is made unemployed through no fault of their own is only going to get a maximum of €208 per week - the EXACT same rate that someone who has never worked gets...? Don't forget the person who has never worked will have their medical cards, fuel allowances and low rent payments to make.

It's an insult to those who work - dare I say you speak just like a Dept of Social Protection head honcho or a politician.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181653#Comment_119181653

More nonsense, you are perhaps not aware of the enormous amount of WORKING people, not only in receipt of HAP but also welfare supports.

Wether you realise it or not, there's actually record low levels of long term unemployment and further more the department is ruthless went it comes to not only job activation programs but checking eligibility and reviewing recepients entitlement to payments.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181673#Comment_119181673

Still nothing.

If you found more than half a dozen posts of mine in the covid forum I'd be surprised, and I wasn't aware there was a 'war forum'.

And to think, you've gone to all that bother getting your blood up because you're gun-shy about putting up a percentage when challenged.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181568#Comment_119181568

Wow is right, clearly some have little better to do with their lives.

Tiresome incorrect and offensive nonsense, yet again.

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181687#Comment_119181687

Those in the Turas Nua programme are typically long-term JSA recipients - but if I remember correctly, they are not counted anymore as JSA recipients because they are "in a programme".

Similar to the way the folks on the Community Employments Schemes are not counted either.

Fudging the numbers really at the end of the day though.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181718#Comment_119181718

Incorrect on Turas Nua. Still counted on the live register.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181687#Comment_119181687

Ah yes “WORKING”

Don’t you mean working the minimum 20 hours a week part time so they get topped up to 40 hours while not crossing the threshold for all the added goodies.

Seriously, wake up. This country is awash with fraud, wink wink nudge nudge, ah sure it’s only a minority etc etc nonsense.

Highest disability allowance recipients (claimees) in the EU.

The welfare state that is Ireland is a big con job pushed by the likes of Peter Mcverry and the other 300 NGOs groups all on the gravy train.

Any government minister dare question it and they face the anger of opposition parties, media and any other citizen who thinks they know better.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181742#Comment_119181742

Do you think you might have anger issues?

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181682#Comment_119181682

No need for the bold font , albeit impressive

A. We're does it mention JSA in the Thread Header 🤔

B. Have you actually read some of the absurd comments and unless I've missed something this is another SW bashing Thread

C. 370k household are on FA, again, you may not be aware, that includes pensioners, People on Disability, Some on JSA (After 15 months) ,NONE on illness benefit and none on JSB

D. I can absolutely claim welfare fraud is tiny in the context of the over all budget and incidently the most high-profile cases actually involved pension fraud, PUP fraud, not jobseekers Allowance fraud.

E. It is an insult to working people who literally depend on social welfare and HAP supports, both of which are heavily means tested.

Back to you , but I'm off to bed.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181744#Comment_119181744

Care to address the points without personal insults?

tooka

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181687#Comment_119181687

Oh I am well aware of the system

I could also name easily 200 families where no one has ever worked or “worked”, and no welfare inspector who likes breathing will do anything about it

Gant21

Time to exit this train wreck. I’m almost worried about the mental state of some posters here. I’ll probably get challenged on percentage 🙄

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181742#Comment_119181742

Wake up, are you being serious, haven't you heard of Zero hour contracts, supposed to have been banned, how about the DAA actually admitting they are only offering 20 hours a week for new recruits and €14 pw.

Have you even the slightest notion of how difficult it is to get approval for disability in Ireland and how long an application can take 🙄

Wake up is right, see you back at the FFFG government thread 🙄

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181757#Comment_119181757

And this is Genuine claimants fault, seriously, is that an argument 😳

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181718#Comment_119181718

No they are not, you can be referred within a month of being on either JSB/A

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181757#Comment_119181757

I bet you couldn't. I mean that.

Unless you live at the centre of the worst unemployment blackspot on the continent where everyone you've ever met has never worked, you're talking pony.

This thread is full of sh*t spilling over with people with space cadet ideas about the labour market and concocting problems that don't exist.

Someone posted it earlier, we have approx, 65k long-term (over 12 months) unemployed in this country. Out of a labour force of approximately 2.5 million people. Perspective. That's what the posters with veins popping out of their foreheads are getting bent out of shape about.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181648#Comment_119181648

Precisely who I blame. Language is important and referring to any welfare payment or other sorts of payments not earned by excelling in something as a bonus is not the right message to give imo

What is it a bonus for? Another year of someone's life down the tube? Congratulations?

tooka

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181770#Comment_119181770

What are you on about?

the welfare state is a good thing but some families being allowed to become dependant fully on welfare is completely wrong and is the states fault

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181786#Comment_119181786

And I do agree, unfortunately and as you can see on this Thread , some see the word's SW Bonus and it's like a red flag to a bull.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181789#Comment_119181789

I don't and won't defend those who've become dependent through laziness but I'll absolutely defend those entitled to a SW Support through contributions paid and those who've lost jobs along with those on illness and disability payments.

The problem with these , Nasty Vile threads like this , the Narrative always subtle but intent very obvious , the Thread Title says it all .

tooka

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181782#Comment_119181782

Easily could

eliminate non Irish workers and many towns in Ireland would have more people claiming dole, carers and disability or some other government benefit than actually work.

there is many families who run the careers disability combo scam and this will be handed down the generations

corner of hells

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181742#Comment_119181742

I work for an NGO , posting from my cruiser in the Mediterranean.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181817#Comment_119181817

Again, Disability allowance is by far the most difficult payment to get approval on, requiring detailed medical reports, perhaps it wasn't difficult historically to get but I can assure you, over recent years it's extremely difficult to get awarded this payment.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181817#Comment_119181817

You must live in some sh*tbox son

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181747#Comment_119181747

No need for the bold font , albeit impressive

There is unfortunately - the new Boards.ie layout is shyte and one cannot part quote and form a point around it.

A. We're does it mention JSA in the Thread Header 🤔

Where does it mention WFP, Disability, etc... Dole is a common slang name for JSA

B. Have you actually read some of the absurd comments and unless I've missed something this is another SW bashing Thread

I briefly do and skip to the comments that are worth engaging with

C. 370k household are on FA, again, you may not be aware, that includes pensioners, People on Disability, Some on JSA (After 15 months) ,NONE on illness benefit and none on JSB

As pointed out in the response to you last time - there are over 65K long term JSA recipients, so I have excused the other ~300K as being on the payments you mention - did you miss that?

D. I can absolutely claim welfare fraud is tiny in the context of the over all budget and incidentally the most high-profile cases actually involved pension fraud, PUP fraud, not jobseekers Allowance fraud.

No, you have not. Your language suggests you might be able to - perhaps your employment position offers insight into the workings of the department? - but as of yet you have not produced anything to back up your repeated assertion that fraud levels in the JSA payments are tiny. It's no more anecdotal than those on here who say its more widespread. Though from the outset there are alot more people saying it's more widespread than just you saying it's tiny - so over to you.

E. It is an insult to working people who literally depend on social welfare and HAP supports, both of which are heavily means tested.

No it's not. Anyone working and depending on supports a.k.a. the working poor are likely to be pi$$ed off that those on long-term JSA are being suggested for a summer "bonus" on top of recently getting an additional €100 fuel payment. Not withstanding that these long-term JSA recipients are also "entitled" to medical cards too. Many of the working poor cannot get medical cards because they earn more than the paltry thresholds:

How much you can earn and still qualify for a medical card - HSE.ie

Married, co-habiting couple/single parent family aged up to 65 with dependents: €266.50 for medical card and €441 for GP visit card

Anyone working and bringing in €442 take home per week to feed a family is pretty much mandated to take out private health insurance or take a chance that their guts stay in good nick 'till they hit 70 years of age.

Back to you , but I'm off to bed.

Do, and have a good think about the reality on the ground about proposals for Summer Bonuses for the Dole while the rest of us working hard go swing and pay through the nose via the stealth taxes required to keep feeding the welfare machine.

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181782#Comment_119181782

Someone posted it earlier, we have approx, 65k long-term (over 12 months) unemployed in this country. Out of a labour force of approximately 2.5 million people. Perspective. That's what the posters with veins popping out of their foreheads are getting bent out of shape about.

There should be nobody on long-term JSA in a jobs rich country that we are currently experiencing. Over a year on JSA and it should be mandatory to be on a community employment and/or retraining programme. Money for nothing should be stamped out. Too much of the "ah shure it'll be grand" attitude.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119181868#Comment_119181868

And I want a house made out of lollipops and rainbows. Every developed country you care to name has long-term unemployed, and with more acute problems on this front than Ireland. Welcome to planet earth, and welcome to reality. I want zero crime and zero road deaths too. Do you think I'll ever live to see the day? Or should I reconcile myself that we'll always see a certain level of both while working towards minimising it.

Once again, people are giving themselves brain aneurysms over 65k people out of a labour force of 2.5 million. We don't have a significant long-term unemployment issue in this country, both in absolute terms, and relative to peer countries, despite what the people covering their devices in spittle posting might be dreaming up.