NZ Tour 2022 - Māori June 29th, NZ July 2nd, NZ July 9th, Māori July 12th, NZ July 16th, KO 8.05am

ionadnapokot · 02-06-2022 4:45pm #1

Māori v IRELAND

Waikato Stadium, Hamilton, Wednesday, June 29 (kick-off 7.05pm local time/8.05am Irish time)

Ref: Barnes

1st Test: New Zealand v IRELAND

Eden Park, Auckland, Saturday, July 2 (kick-off 7.05pm local time/8.05am Irish time)

Ref: Karl Dickson

2nd Test: New Zealand v IRELAND

Glass House, Dunedin, Saturday, July 9 (kick-off 7.05pm local time/8.05am Irish time)

Ref: Jaco Peyper

Māori v IRELAND

Cake Tin, Wellington, Tuesday, July 12 (kick-off 7.05pm local time/8.05am Irish time)

Ref: Karl Dickson

3rd Test: New Zealand v IRELAND

Cake Tin, Wellington, Saturday, July 16 (kick-off 7.05pm local time/8.05am Irish time)

Ref: Barnes

42 Man Squad TBC (June 20th?)

30 man squad travelled in 2012

5 Irish and 3 NZ are likely to be playing in 2022

Healy - 24 30 Caps

PO’M - 22 4 Caps

Murray - 23 9 Caps

Sexton – 26 29 Caps

Earls – 24 30 Caps

Zebo – 22 Made his debut in 1st Test No.11

Smith – 23 0 Caps, ‘on test dayboo’ 1st Test No.9

Cane - 20 0 Caps, 2nd Test No.19

BBarret - 21 0 Caps, 3rd Test No.21

JSavea – 21 0 Caps, 1st Test No.11

ionadnapokot · 02-06-2022 4:58pm

2nd Test and final test of the tour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph6pW0iVe68

Dubinusa · 02-06-2022 5:55pm

What a long season! These boys will be knackered when it's over!

ionadnapokot · 03-06-2022 12:27pm

Yep they will be glad of the break. It will have been an 11 month season! It got me thinking as to who has played the most rugby in Ireland this season?

Josh vDF popped in to my head. Tomorrow will be his 22nd game of the season. Doesn't seem allot but he also usually plays the full match and is up to 1578mins.

By the end of the tour he will have have played 28 games and approx 2000mins. I presume that is at the upper end of the scale for forward under the IRFU 'player management programme'?

I think Ringrose has the most minutes 1694mins and is playing his 23rd games of the season tomorrow.

Dubinusa · 03-06-2022 12:29pm

They will get a rest during August? So, if they do, they will miss the 1st couple of league matches next season.

stephen_n · 03-06-2022 12:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119153457#Comment_119153457

We probably won’t see most of the Internationals till near the end of September.

ladibai · 03-06-2022 3:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150436#Comment_119150436

Brian ODriscoll was terrible in the game. The Kiwis just keep on running over him time after time. He was very short. Crazy watching that back and how rugby has changed

AbusesToilets · 03-06-2022 9:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150436#Comment_119150436

Our attacking game was abysmal. The amount of glacial ball and one out runners. Never forgive Owens for insisting the penalty shot was called. He fecked us over a good few times with shite calls vs NZ.

sprucemoose · 03-06-2022 10:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119156000#Comment_119156000

tbh id still expect a kicker of sextons ability to get that (unless he was against the wind). it wasnt a crazy long distance for him and those adidas balls fly way further than the standard gilbert ball

AbusesToilets · 03-06-2022 10:07pm

Owens should've given a penalty for the scrum before that where the Irish pack drive NZ back a solid 5 meters too. I used to be mad he didn't give one for the scrum from Mike Ross' knock-on at around ~75mins, but watching it back it was a clear deliberate wheel by us. Memories of watching this match at 2am in a barracks out in the texas desert. Raging afterwards.

ersatz · 05-06-2022 10:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119156044#Comment_119156044

This one really felt like one that got away at the time so it's interesting to rewatch it. I thought Sexton and O Gara playing together had some nice moments and POM brought a big impact to the game. Pretty amazing how close Ireland made it and kept NZ out bar one try. BOD was kept very quiet and POC was missed but that was a very good NZ team, as they showed in the other two tests.

Dubinusa · 14-06-2022 2:39am

Squad announced tomorrow. I hope there's at least some new blood.

sydthebeat · 14-06-2022 7:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119199371#Comment_119199371

With possibly 45 players travelling I think you're pretty much guaranteed there will be debutantes

Prendergast, JOB, Frawley, and Kendellan are my probables

Cookiemunster · 14-06-2022 11:06am

40 man squad.

https://www.irishrugby.ie/2022/06/14/andy-farrell-names-40-player-squad-for-new-zealand-tour/

sydthebeat · 15-06-2022 9:13am

Māori All Blacks squad for Ireland series - *denotes debut

Props: Tamaiti Williams, Ollie Norris, Marcel Renata, Jermaine Ainsley*, Tyrel Lomax

Hookers: Leni Apisai, Kurt Eklund, Tyrone Thompson*

Locks: Isaia Walker-Leawere, Manaaki Selby-Rickit, Josh Dickson

Loose Forwards: Reed Prinsep, Caleb Delany*, Billy Harmon, Te Kamaka (TK) Howden*, Cameron Suafoa*

Half Backs: TJ Perenara*, Brad Weber

First Five: Josh Ioane, Ruben Love*

Midfield: Alex Nankivell, Rameka Poihipi, Billy Proctor, Bailyn Sullivan*

Outside Backs: Connor Garden-Bachop*, Josh Moorby*, Zarn Sullivan*, Shaun Stevenson

to be honest, thats not really a squad that puts much fear into me. Apart from Perenara and Weber, theres no one there that shouts at a level of "i demand a test cap"

my suggest maori line up

Williams 2. Eklund 3.Lomax 4. IWL 5. Dickson 6. Prinsep (C) 7. Harmon 8. Howden 9. Perenara 10. Ioane 11. Z Sullivan 12. Proctor 13. Nankivell 14. Stevenson 15. CGB 16. Apisai 17. Norris 18. Ainsley 19. MSR 20. Delaney 21. Weber 22. Poihipi 23. Moorby

i wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go 6 / 2 on the bench either

Yeah_Right · 15-06-2022 11:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205314#Comment_119205314

Yeah not a great squad. Especially not when compared to some teams in the past. The Maoris of the late 90s and through the noughties were a genuine test quality side.

In the pack, I could see Eklund, Williams and Norris maybe getting caps. And Lomax if he got his form back.

In the backs obviously TJ and Weber are very good. Love is a rising star. The outside backs have a lot of potential.

RichieRich_89 · 15-06-2022 11:28am

Is it pronounced 'Luv' or 'Lɒ-vay'. Is it a Pakeha name or Pasifika?

sydthebeat · 15-06-2022 12:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205970#Comment_119205970

are you talking about Ruben Love?

its the former then.

sydthebeat · 15-06-2022 12:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205950#Comment_119205950

i think the boat has sailed for Eklund to get capped. Hes not going to get in before the RWC and after that he'll be 32 before the next Kiwi test in 2024.

Williams probably will if he can achieve his ceiling, needs to figure out of hes a 1 or 3 though.

Yeah_Right · 15-06-2022 1:32pm

I didn't actually realise Eklund was that old 😮 Its like thought Papalii was late 20s but he's only 24.

I wonder if some of the AB squad will drop down to the Maoris for any of the matches.

Tigerandahalf · 15-06-2022 2:38pm

I am puzzled by Loughman's selection at prop. He has a poor injury record and has never been really first choice at Munster.

Mentioned elsewhere that Andrew Warwick should have been brought. He has had an excellent season and has performed very well against the Tolouse scrum and against Malherbe the Stormers and SA TH. His game has come on a huge amount and he has great energy around the field.

Not hugely convinced by Baird either. A bit like Larmour in the past he can do nice cameos (eye catching runs) but if he is a lock he needs to fetch in the lineout or be the grafter lock who helps the scrum and ruck/maul area.

I would also have brought Healy from Munster. Just think he is a more rounded 10 but those missed kicks have obviously killed his chances.

Don't think NZ or their Maori back ups have the same depth or quality they once had. Maybe too many lads playing abroad is finally catching up with them. Not a great outlook for them with SA now north, they will find it harder to hold onto talent.

swiwi_ · 15-06-2022 5:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205314#Comment_119205314

From what I’ve seen the 2 Sullivans look like good prospects. But yeah it’ll be more a super rugby rather than international quality side.

pickarooney · 15-06-2022 7:37pm

Crusaders or Fijian Drua though?

swiwi_ · 15-06-2022 8:05pm

Fair play to ionad for the use of the macrons in the thread title. Ka pai!

ionadnapokot · 21-06-2022 4:53pm

IRELAND 2022 SUMMER TOUR SQUAD:

Player/Club/Province/Caps –

Backs (18):

Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht) 37

Harry Byrne (Lansdowne/Leinster) 2

10. Joey Carbery (Clontarf/Munster) 32

9.Craig Casey (Shannon/Munster) 5

Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 96

12.Ciaran Frawley (Skerries/Leinster) *

Jamison Gibson Park (Leinster) 17

Mack Hansen (Connacht) 4

Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 57

13.James Hume (Banbridge/Ulster) 3

Hugo Keenan (UCD/Leinster) 20

14.Jordan Larmour (St. Mary’s College/Leinster) 30

11.James Lowe (Leinster) 12

15.Michael Lowry (Banbridge/Ulster) 1

Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 96

Jimmy O’Brien (Naas/Leinster) *

Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster) 42

Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary’s College/Leinster) (capt) 105

Forwards (22):

4.Ryan Baird (Dublin University/Leinster) 8

Finlay Bealham (Buccaneers/Connacht) 23

Tadhg Beirne (Lansdowne/Munster) 30

Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 27

8.Gavin Coombes (Young Munster/Munster) 2

Caelan Doris (St. Mary’s College/Leinster) 17

Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 57

Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 116

Dave Heffernan (Buccaneers/Connacht) 6

5.Iain Henderson (Academy/Ulster) 68

2.Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 26

1.Jeremy Loughman (Garryowen/Munster) *

Joe McCarthy (Dublin University/Leinster) *

Peter O’Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 84

3.Tom O’Toole (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 2

Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster) 43

6.Cian Prendergast (Connacht) *

James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 43

Dan Sheehan (Lansdowne/Leinster) 7

7.Nick Timoney (Banbridge/Ulster) 2

Kieran Treadwell (Ballymena/Ulster) 5

Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster) 40

* Denotes uncapped player

Team id like to see for game against the Māori next week

Still bemused that Doak was excluded.

TRC10 · 21-06-2022 5:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119231876#Comment_119231876

I doubt Henderson will start the first Mãori game. He'll be starting the first test. And Baird is listed as a backrow. I think they'll start Beirne to get some minutes into his legs, alongside McCarthy or Treadwell.

Same with Lowe, he'll be starting the first test. I think 11 will be Hansen or O'Brien. The rest of it will probably be fairly accurate I'd imagine. Although I'd rather see Hume paired with Aki, I think he'd complement him better. More similar to McCloskey.

ionadnapokot · 21-06-2022 9:15pm

Didnt know that Baird was listed as a backrow. That pointless considering the depth at BR and lack of depth at SR?

I thought it was weird when Leinster played him at 6 and Murphy at Lock v Munster.

It's only my guess but it makes sense to ease Beirne back from off the bench v Māori and hope he's ok for 1st Test.

Henderson captain. LO combo for Herring scrum behind O'Toole.

Beirne for Henderson - 55' .Treadwell for BR - 65' & then switching Baird to BR.

Will be very interesting to see how Joe McCarthy is used.

Lowe is definitely starting 1st Maori game and the Tests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCskBwPaUc4

TRC10 · 21-06-2022 10:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119232801#Comment_119232801

Lowe is definitely starting 1st Maori game and the Tests.

Anyone starting the first test won't be near the starting team that plays the Mãori. There's no way in hell Henderson or Lowe are playing the first midweek game.

ionadnapokot · 22-06-2022 8:24am

Thinking about it once more It prob is unlikely Henderson would start both games alright.

A winger could handle it!! Lowe a former Māori & Waikato Chiefs player v Māori in Hamilton. He must play!

Zzippy · 22-06-2022 9:26am

What tv channel will the games be on? Are the Maori games also on tv?

22-06-2022 9:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233819#Comment_119233819

All on Sky Sports.

sydthebeat · 22-06-2022 9:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233819#Comment_119233819

https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12321/12614989/ireland-announce-midweek-maori-all-blacks-clashes-on-new-zealand-tour-live-on-sky-sports

In addition to all three Tests vs the All Blacks, Ireland have added two further fixtures to their July tour to New Zealand, as they will face the Maori All Blacks in two mid-week matches (Wednesday June 29; Tuesday July 12); all five Ireland summer matches will be live on Sky Sports

Zzippy · 22-06-2022 9:42am

Just as well I didn't let the missus cancel that subscription so!

22-06-2022 9:47am

"The Maori All Blacks have added more firepower to their roster ahead of next week's tour opener against Ireland.

All Blacks back-row Cullen Grace is one of three Super Rugby players who have been called up by coach Clayton McMillan for the Hamilton meeting with Andy Farrell's men.

The Crusaders' No 8 is joined by Blues' scrum-half Sam Nock and Highlanders back-five forward Max Hicks.

The squad already features All Blacks' scrum-halves TJ Perenara and Brad Weber, wing Josh Ioane and prop Tyrel Lomax.

"It’s great to have three quality additions to the wider squad, we welcome back Sam Nock and the two debutants Cullen Grace and Max Hicks," Lomax said."

(Irish Indo.)

sydthebeat · 22-06-2022 9:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233907#Comment_119233907

Cullen Grace walks into that team....

The other two not so much. Nock is good but wont get ahead of weber or perenara.

Hicks... meh... hes 25 and never started a super rugby game.

oh, and Josh Ioane is not a winger, tut tut irish Indo.

22-06-2022 9:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233885#Comment_119233885

It sure is! Once again, Sky Sports have hoovered up all of the Home Nations' SH Test Matches this summer.

Zzippy · 22-06-2022 9:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233935#Comment_119233935

If only they had some rugby on during the rest of the season! Struggling to justify it at home, golf is about the only other sport I watch on it.

ionadnapokot · 22-06-2022 10:14am

Haven't heard the term "back-five forward" before! Is that a SH thing?

sydthebeat · 22-06-2022 10:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234047#Comment_119234047

not necessarily just a SH thing:

https://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/latest-news/339227/wasps-sign-all-black-back-five-forward-vaea-fifita/

https://www.evrfc.co.uk/back-five-forward-retentions/

https://www.edinburghrugby.org/the-clubhouse/marshall-matters-sykes-keen-to-make-his-mark

just a catch-all to describe a player who can play in the second or back row. Sometimes we'd refer to some players as 5.5s (baird, j Murphy etc) here, i guess thats what they mean.

Red Silurian · 22-06-2022 10:30am

Does anybody know what (if any) channel is broadcasting the tour in the USA? Asking for a family member

For us here in Ireland, NOWBNJDJVPKA gives you Sky Sports on NowTV for €10 a month (up to 3 months) and the third test is on July 16th so buy now and you get all the games for a tenner

TRC10 · 22-06-2022 12:19pm

I was surprised Cullen Grace wasn't in the ABs squad. Very good player. Not a colossus but a serious athlete and footballer.

The stronger the Mãori team, the better, as far as I'm concerned. We want the young lads exposed to as much quality and pressure as possible to see what they're made of.

ionadnapokot · 22-06-2022 1:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234093#Comment_119234093

Chazwazza's

22-06-2022 2:14pm

Are some players going to be playing in two games within three days?

Shehal · 22-06-2022 3:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233907#Comment_119233907

How Grace wasnt in there from the start I found mind boggling, tbh I would have him in the NZL squad never mind the Maori.

TRC10 · 22-06-2022 4:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235272#Comment_119235272

Some will start one and bench in one. But I can't see anyone starting two games in a week.

For example, given that we only brought 3 of each in the front row. It's likely that guys will start midweek and then bench on the weekend. You could see a frontrow of Healy/Herring/Bealham starting v the Mâori and then being the sub front row on the weekend. Same at halfback. Murray and Carbery could well start midweek and then bench on Saturday. Or guys could bench in both. But I don't think people will start midweek and on Saturday.