Russia

derekya

Joe Biden today announces so with concern that the Russian invasion has created 5 million refugees but says nothing about the 32 million refugees created by US wars sine 9/11 source Brown University USA ! Double dealing talk so disingenuous and dangerous

gladvimpaker

Disingenuous people will say that's whataboutery, but I hear you.

What you observed will be brushed under the carpet and ignored, just like little Britian "the computer says no"

The media and people in powerful positions think we have the memory and retention of a goldfish. I remember back to the Iran Iraq war all through the gulf war and it sickens me to observe the hypocrisy.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058242856/russia

What's this to do with 9/11 being an inside job?

What conspiracy are you suggesting?

Or is it just "America bad, therefore Russia good" kinda stuff?

Dohnjoe

"So with concern America bad"

"Agreed comrade"

-Two brand new boards accounts

Timberrrrrrrr

Jaysus I forgot this forum existed 🤣

I thought op had found some new evidence to suggest Russia was involved with 9-11, Turns out he just wants to post about a subject that's nothing to do with 9-11

See yall next year when another "new account" posts in here.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058242856/russia

Those who support Joe Biden and his lackeys and supporters find many on this site don't care about the harm the west has done. You are now forbidden from bringing up the criminality of the west or its lies about the war inside Ukraine. There are more banned people on the list than people who post content on the threads. According to them, everything Ukrainians say on Twitter is true and the Ukraine government can't possibly lie about the war situation on the ground. The very same people were in denial about Mariupol and predicted Russia would lose badly. The surrender was all part of the plan by the Ukrainians! It's funny that the same idiots scream from rooftops about how Moscow bans people from having a voice, the opposition, but they support censorship here about this war. Apparently, they don't see the irony. The East War isn't going well for Ukraine, but since they only look at Ukraine tweets, they've been missing the encirclement that's been happening at a steady pace for days now. Tweet a different story when the entire front collapses, just watch!!!

In order to satisfy its own twisted needs, the US never acknowledges that it upsets the balance of countries. Many users do have a hard time justifying American wars for oil and power. Regards Ukraine, a major problem was white nationalists/neo-nazis being in the regular army and a failure to listen to its concerns about Ukraine joining Nato. The United States has basically provided all the weapons to Ukraine without declaring war and waging an economic war across many fronts. Based on the harm they caused here, the Russian government plays very nice with Europe and the US.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966576#Comment_118966576

Right, but this forum is about 9/11.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966576#Comment_118966576

Holy wall of bullshìt batman, what's the op post or your rant got to do with 9-11?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966878#Comment_118966878

I replied to you? 

A comment about the hypocrisy of the situation.

With respect to 9/11, as the user pointed out, more refugees fled from US wars than Russian ones after the event, yet the US acts as if it was on a holy mission to protect people in need. You people are stuck in a particular mindset, only seeing one side of the argument. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is awful; it should not have happened, but weak leaders fail to see the Russian demands for Ukraine to remain neutral as reasonable instead they arm Ukraine years before Russia crossed the border, the Crimea and Donbas, with its military and tanks. 

In their actions, the West has reinforced this paranoia inside Russia, this irony is lost on people. Putin has always said Nato buildup inside Ukraine isn't peaceful, and the actions taken prove him right. Nato and Russia are engaged in an undeclared war, but as a proxy war want to fail the Russian economy and defeat their military inside Ukraine.  

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967021#Comment_118967021

I never said you replied to me, I have the right to add my opinion to any discussion.

The fact is the thread has nothing to do with 9-11, there is a Russia thread, a Ukraine thread and a Biden thread where this could have been posted.

The fact he chose the conspiracy theory forum says all we need to know.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967080#Comment_118967080

9/11 and the effects and causes of world events after are not off-topic

After September 11th, the Middle East and Africa experienced new wars and sanctions. The poster points out that the United States is trying to portray itself as some freedom-loving machine-saving people in Ukraine, but they are directly to blame for more refugees being displaced elsewhere. On boards, things deemed anti-Ukrainian by the powers are forbidden be censored. The previous thread on here was censored because some others objected to our discussion elsewhere. No one is happy with main thread for spouting their views and ideas about Russia? can let others debate a different view elsewhere?. It was a thread in a conspiracy forum why does it bother you what we think about Russia?

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967210#Comment_118967210

You seem to think I am.some sort of pro-American poster when I am the exact opposite, I have always been extremely critical of American foreign policy and against the wars they have started/caused.

The fact is that this thread in the 9-11 section of the conspiracy theory forum has nothing to do with 9-11.

To coin a well used phrase in this forum.... what's the conspiracy?

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967021#Comment_118967021

"Putin is bad but" ✓

Kremlin talking points ✓

Blames the West/NATO/etc ✓

Posts in unrelated thread because thread-banned from main threads ✓

Holocaust denier and other vile views ✓

Sooo back to 9/11, you openly believe "secret Nazis" carried it out..

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967385#Comment_118967385

 I understand your point of view. It's ridiculous to call posters anti-American, it's common on threads when you have an issue with their foreign policy.

Eisenhower made an impassioned speech about the military-industrial complex before he left office, he basically said it could turn anti-American, and many tragedies happened after he left. It is my opinion that this bad influence led to JFK's assassination in Dallas, the Vietnam war, small conflicts across the globe, the Iraqi war in 2003, and of course 9/11.  

The whole world has been shamed into believing that the picture of Russia we see today is a real one. Under false pretenses like Iraq 2003, the west started the war. There were many false stories about what Saddam was going to do to Europe and the UK as he fired missiles. Fake Iraqi labs and nuclear sites depicted in Pentagon screenshots all turned out to be false. This has lead me to be to question reality as we are told. There is no government on earth that does not have the capability of launching false flag operations, and that includes Russia and China.  

I'm not anti-American or anti-Russian, I consider the reasons for war and consider whether the points made are valid. 

If you do not accept you have upset the balance of power in other countries and caused hundreds of thousands if not millions of deaths, you are unlikely to stop making mistakes. Isis would never have arisen had it not been for the Iraq war, which Biden and CO signed into. There is denial the US played no role in that Ukraine revolution, with the overthrow of the elected leader that caused this mess and led to Crimea joining Russia and now 2022 war in other areas of Ukraine.  

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967534#Comment_118967534

So what's the conspiracy and how does it tie in with 9-11m

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967534#Comment_118967534

You don't question reality, you just cherry-pick history and make up stories that suit only your simplistic world views, not reality.

Like your 9/11 conspiracies that change depending on what day of the week it is.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967467#Comment_118967467

Think of this scenario I saw a poster make one day on another site. It made sense in the context of Azov, 

The KKK fought the Mexican regular army as part of the American military. Which side is on the right side of history.?

While Ukraine is not distancing itself from Azov, they are glorifying its status with tweets. This is shocking in the modern age. This puts you on their side. Ask yourself if the Azov is acceptable in the modern world. As Azov regards Russians as inferior to Ukrainians, they use this "ORC" slang language to demean the Russians. 

Here is the NAZI emblem on one of them, a recent video from Mariupol

Soldier on the left. the left arm from his seated position.

I gotta say man, your command of English has come a long way of late. Good stuff. It's almost like a different person is posting.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967467#Comment_118967467

He could be onto something. Secret Nazis exposed themselves on February 24th. So putting it all together, Russia are the secret Nazis that carried out 9/11, and the topic fits in this forum.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967679#Comment_118967679

I read some books over the last week, maybe that helped. Learning about world stuff helps with discussions. Previously, I would just post without worrying about the language. Now I check to make sure my post is okay. On a bad day, my go **** again.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967749#Comment_118967749

Haha, yeah, sure thing.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967649#Comment_118967649

Again cheerful. You are a holocaust denier.

You have no issue with nazis and nazi propaganda. You only don't like these particular guys because you constantly swallow Russia propaganda.

Dohnjoe

Trying to bait people into discussing Russia/Ukraine on a 9/11 forum because they are threadbanned from the main

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967624#Comment_118967624

9/11 WTC 7 collapse theory has never changed and I stand by my controlled demolition hypothesis. 

A few things may have changed about the conspirators here and there. It is a matter of speculating on who has the funds and contacts to carry out such an operation without getting caught.

Probability: Least likely. but I consider it.

They are likely to be post-World War II Nazis who passed on their wealth to their children but saw 9/11 as an opportunity to get richer. 

Probabiity: likely.

Mossad : American news outlets reported Israeli agents bugging government buildings and posing as art students. A few fake moving companies were also operating out of Queens, New York, some doing maintenance. Dancing Israelis caught after 9/11 were hired by one of the moving companies operating out of Queens.

A rogue political/ black ops organization/ CIA/ Neocon.

After 9/11, there were many lies and distortions of the truth that make this one more likely.

To my mind, this speculation is fine since a team planted some devices inside the seven and brought it down. The team's identity is unknown. 

There is no doubt in my mind that the building was brought down. The fact that the NIST theory about the collapse is incorrect proves that yet again.

Ignoring the NIST work on freefall for 7 years!!! There isn't one mention of freefall in their entire draft paper about the collapse of seven. The debunkers do not seem to understand why that would pose a problem with their overall argument about the collapse!!!! NIST even scoffed at the idea of freefall, saying that there would be resistance to slow the fall. Physical impossibility according to them, suddenly became an actual reality when they tried to explain the collapse in three stages in their final report. 

NIST's own computer-generated models show what would happen if the collapse occurred as they predicted!!  The building would collapse, and walls on all floors would be crushed and crumble inwards. A video would show the building falling apart. Despite NIST not watching the actual video, the collapse was straight down, with very little movement of the corners, although there was a lot of pull in on their models and crushing. NIST is not showing the actual collapse, end of the story.  

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968028#Comment_118968028

It's about all this section is good for these days.

Most conspiracy theorists have abandoned the 9/11 stuff because it isn't as attention getting anymore and there's newer more exciting bullshit for them to swallow.

Some have realized that openly stating that you believe 9/11 was a hoax is getting them the same reaction as if they declared the moon landing was a hoax.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968034#Comment_118968034

You've changed your theory countless times. At one point you were claiming all 3 towers were blown up, you've chopped and changed on that so many times I've lost count

All 3 towers were blown up or no?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968034#Comment_118968034

Also again. You don't actually know what free fall is.

Timberrrrrrrr

Lads can someone PM me when he gets back to the magic mirror/window please, t'was hilarious last time and would hate to miss it again.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968052#Comment_118968052

To prove that your version of truth is incorrect, only one building needs to be destroyed by controlled demolition. In regards to the towers, I do not need to worry about what may have happened there. 

Despite an official study showing that WTC7 collapsed naturally, there is no evidence of this here. The work is suspect because they didn't notice freefall occurred and lied about how the collapse occurred. Removing construction where they claim it started is fraudulent. We have a problem getting their asses in court and cross-examining them about why they removed the beam/girder construction. Once that happens, this cover-up will blow up in their faces and be exposed for the liars they are, I do think AE911 truth will succeed on that front only a matter of time, too many families are angry about the lies here..   

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968103#Comment_118968103

You previously claimed that all 3 towers were "blown up". Someone pressed a button and blew them up. Did that happen or no?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968149#Comment_118968149

Not listening just posting to annoy now. Only one of the buildings needs to be taken down by controlled demolition to change the official narrative. Then the true investigation will start, and the relevant authorities will deal with the towers collapse. Your point of view is irrelevant. What matters is getting NIST to appear in court and defend their conclusions. That's what I want to see. The National Institute of Standards and Technology is fighting the lawsuits because they know the work will be dismantled in a court of law. This will be a major scandal of epic proportions, if it happens. I ask for my apology when its over. .

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968202#Comment_118968202

It's a simple question. Why aren't you able to answer it?

The NIST don't really have much to fear from you given how pathetic your conspiracy ideas are.

Do you not remember how you were telling us that there was going to be a scientific paper that would prove it all? But then when it came out you dropped it and now never mention it at all?

Do you not remember the previous time you were claiming that your 9/11 grifters were about to win in a court case? And how now you never mention that at all?

And again, you don't know what free fall actually is. You keep harping on about it, but when you were challenged on it you showed that you didn't understand basic math or physics. You couldn't even get terms correct.

You are awful forgetful. It's like all that stuff was posted by someone else...

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968202#Comment_118968202

You previously claimed that all 3 buildings were blown up. You described how it was done, do you even remember this?

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968705#Comment_118968705

Selective amnesia. It’s a common symptom they conspiracy theorists have.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968757#Comment_118968757

Nah. They just out and out lie about their position when it's convenient. They'll say something, then deny they ever said it when the first statement becomes too embarrassing. They are making the bet that people aren't going to bother to trawl back through their posts to find the statement, so they believe they are safe. And should some one actually find what they said and point it out, well then they can shriek and throw a tantrum and then decide to ignore.

Conspiracy theorists exist in a reality that is subject to rewriting depending on mood and what grifter they are listening to today. So to them it's not so much lying. It's more the belief that all reality is a lie, so therefore anything they say or want to be true is equally as valid as anything else.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968705#Comment_118968705

I do yes and taken a bit of time to reply here.

Skeptics/debunkers claim that controlled demolition isn't possible because we can't hear the sounds that are common to controlled demolition in an industrial/commercial setting. 

In my opinion, the towers and building seven were not brought down in the same way. Using the video footage, I would argue that there is a loud noise that is associated with the controlled explosion before the collapse of the World Trade Center seven. According to NIST, no loud noise was heard on the ground or on video prior to the collapse events at seven ( another myth).

Nobody claimed to have seen molten steel liquid flowing in the rubble of towers (another NIST myth) There is many genuine videos of the clean-up crew, the building engineers, architects, and New York firefighters, many others, all stating they saw a red hot and yellow liquid underneath the rubble, some of the liquid was directly beside the now broken steel core. The fact that NIST is denying this happened despite this mass of evidence and people's statements prove the investigation wasn't genuine and they had an agenda from the beginning. 

Traffic jams, sirens on emergency vehicles- going off, and big crowds created a lot of noise around the towers, making background noise difficult to detect. The towers collapsed from the top-down, unlike building 7, with the top half falling through the bottom at an acceleration of gravity. There is no natural way for this to occur since when the collapse happens, the top half is crushing the lower half. 

There is no natural way for this to occur. There are structural components underneath. It would be physically impossible unless you had something else that pushed structural components out of the way. The only way to achieve freefall is through controlled demolition. In order for the building to fall naturally, the top half has to push away the resistance of the bottom half, so you don't need to know anything about physics or mathematics. All buildings have structural resistance from the top down, so if you buy into the natural collapse theory, the top half has to push away the resistance of the bottom half. As a result, if you are using energy to break up resistance, you won't be in free fall. That's a red flag, debunkers prefer to ignore.

Potentially what brought down the towers. Neils Harrit, a Danish chemist working at a university in Denmark, studied the dust from the towers and conducted research on it. He discovered tiny red and grey chips in the dust that seemed to mimic nanothermite's properties. Harrit reviewed research papers belonging to the US military and compared his chip results with what was observed in laboratory experiments carried out by the US military. Results are very unusual. The chips contained nanoparticles of thermite, which were visible under a microscope. In contrast with standard thermite, this has the unusual property of igniting at very low temperatures, while standard thermite requires a lot of heat to ignite. Having read the paper a while ago, now I forget things, but the conclusion was it was an energetic material manufactured in a sophisticated facility, capable of melting steel and causing instability and eventual collapse. Additional Harrit testing indicated a gas release, which may or may not explain why the tower burst into a mountain cloud of debris. It is most likely that the chips were in solid block form of material and were simply placed on steel columns, and when the planes hit the fire, heat ignited the chips, and then the core steel up top was dismantled.

 

  

Timberrrrrrrr

So we're back to you parroting the same shìte you have been spouting for years on this subject.

Your wall of text above has nothing to do with the op, the op has nothing to do with 9-11, you will just use this new thread as a dumping ground for the unfounded nonsense that you have put in every thread in this 9-11 forum.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969153#Comment_118969153

You were previously arguing that the demolition charges were actually silent because they were using a magic super nano thermite.

You also agreed that the Harrit paper category proved that there couldn't have been any nanothermite because it showed that one of the byproducts were missing.

You claimed that a picture showing this "molten metal" in fact had a giant mirror in it that only you could see.

You have also claimed that the demolitions were done by a team of 16 guys, including Larry Silverstien over a weekend. You claimed this was for all 3 buildings.

You also again argue about math and physics when you've shown without any doubt you don't even have a elementary school understanding of these subjects.

There's a reason no other conspiracy theorists want to talk to you man.

You're incredibly embarrassing to them.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969192#Comment_118969192

Yup. Him and the Op are just pissy that they aren't allowed to post on the Russia thread.

The conspiracy theory forum is just a dumping ground for silly shite not welcome in adult discussions.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969192#Comment_118969192

Since actual papers exist that describe what nanothermite can and cannot do, this theory is not unfounded. Red/ grey chips of nano-thermite can be seen in the dust samples. That's the question that needs answering: how did they end up in the dust? Harrit observed all the properties of thermite in his X-ray energy-dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS) analyses. This is real science, despite claims to the contrary. On another site, debunkers, have no science background, claim that there is no aluminum in the red layer, but Harrit XEDS has proven this to be false. The claim that no aluminum exists is based on a study by an individual involved with an official government study of tower dust. For the truther community it looks like he was looking at primer red paint instead of red/chip chips. 

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969275#Comment_118969275

What does this have to do with the op? There's 20 other threads in this 9-11 forum where you have posted all this and been answered.

What does any of the above have to do with this thread and its subject?

Cheerful S

Timber this image?

As well, the image is a false memory. As I said, there are probably two firefighters' reflections here or some strange camera effect at play here. 

In the right hand corner, there is a person standing next to the red/yellow liquid. Convinced of it ( i laughed) Since where are his legs? I start laughing. The image is plastered on the side of a broken steel building. (top right corner) laughed even more. 

Once you got convinced that person in between the steel columns was a real person too, you argued endlessly over it. As a result, I started slagging off one user because he believes in little people who are 2 feet tall.

 Rather, it appears to be an oddity and the reflection mimics the firefighter on the left and position. He appears to be holding something in front of him. The little person is mimicking him. Maybe not the one who needs their eyes checked?

After that got worse, you guys argued that it was not a pool of hot liquid, but sparks from cutting tools that were leaving the pool. Sparks don't form on the ground in a pool like this. Despite making lots of mistakes and errors on other things, i dont feel the need to talk about it 

What is important is the NIST denials that anyone saw a red/yellow liquid flowing in the rubble after the collapse. The image alone proves the government version is not accurate.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969421#Comment_118969421

Again, nothing to do with the op, just you using yet another thread to dump your silly theories, there are 20 other threads where you can and indeed have posted these.

What's the conspiracy and what does it have to do with the subject in the op?

If you have nothing to add to the op then I'll take it the subject is over and will report the thread as dead and ask admin to close it.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969443#Comment_118969443

I'm not the one trying to close this thread, so stop pretending that you are interested in debating the original poster's comments. This thread has already died. I am not sure the original poster wants to back up his arguments. It is up to them to do so and take it from there. 

There were posts sent my way, so I replied, but you often disregard those other posters add other subjects to the mix because they want to, but pretend otherwise later!! 

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969506#Comment_118969506

More childish and bizarre ranting.

There's dozens of threads on this forum where you have dumped this silly theories before and then abandoned when you embarrassed yourself.

You are simply hijacking this thread because you saw an opertunity to repeat the same tired bullshit along with your silly claims of a giant mirror in the tower wreckage.

It's very odd. It's like you can't help yourself when someone mentions 9/11. You have to start dumping your talking points all over again. It's like a form of complusion with you.

It's the same when people point out your holocaust denial.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969153#Comment_118969153

Good, so you've confirmed you believe all 3 towers were brought down using controlled demolition.

How were WTC 1 and WTC 2 blown up? Who did it? and how did they do it? Give a timeline

Remember, it doesn't matter what you personally believe (we had a poster go on for 20 pages that the world was flat), it matters what you can demonstrate.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969421#Comment_118969421

It's ground-zero workers cutting beams after 9/11. Plenty of photos/footage of it. I see 3 people in that photo, so does everyone else.

If you literally see the world differently from everyone else, then how do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118970038#Comment_118970038

  The photograph shows three humans ( blue marks). You did not make that argument. According to you and your friends, the images in the red highlighted boxes represented people as well, which I disagree with.

. The photo contains likely camera artifacts or strange reflections of the firefighters, as I mentioned. You told me that there were five people in the picture for a week. It seems odd that you have forgotten these details now.

The fact that there were workers at Ground Zero cutting steel to load into trucks does not prove your point. Image mixing doesn't work here.

You think it sparks coming from a cutting tool, which is obviously not the case.

A closer look reveals a large pool of liquid in a large area near the steel columns. It appears to be the result of sparks according to you. I consider your points of view when you find a pool of sparks flowing in a similar fashion.

  

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118970463#Comment_118970463

Lol. You really don't understand how embarrassing this argument is. Do you?

So what's causing these "reflections"?

What camera effects do you believe are happening?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118970024#Comment_118970024

What might have caused the twin towers to collapse? I discussed this in post 36. Read the end.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118970463#Comment_118970463

It's ground-zero workers cutting steel. You can subjectively decide there are mirrors and magnets and "pools" and whatever you want it to be.