Russia

Dohnjoe

How this works:

Cheerful will regurgitate Kremlin talking points and pieces of propaganda one by one. Gets exhausted, announces they are finished with the subject. Rehashes the whole thing again in 6 months. Repeats annually.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119100208#Comment_119100208

And now for the reality. As I predicted, the Ukrainian army is in bad shape. Hearing rumors that entire units are surrendering to the Russians around Lyman. The videos don't know the location.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1528805501571477504

https://mobile.twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1528788138570952704

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119104093#Comment_119104093

Jackson Hinkle is a far-left loon.

Here he is "debunking" invasion myths in an aged-like-milk video with ultra-loon Galloway several days before the war broke out. "Vladimir Putin is doing everything he can in his power to prevent this war"

Like you, these are useful idiots for the Kremlin, they hate "the West" as much as Putin does (I suspect more) and happily evangelize Russian propaganda (like you do)

Ukraine is losing ground in E Ukraine, it's being reported on everywhere, the Russians have been making gradual progress for a good few days now, but they are also struggling, with logistics, entire battalions refusing to fight, poor morale, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux789eDIf0c

Here are the actual words of Russia's Counsellor to the UN in Geneva, Boris Bondarev:

"My name is Boris Bondarev, in the MFA of Russia since 2002, since 2019 until now – Counsellor of the Russian Mission to the UN Office at Geneva.

For twenty years of my diplomatic career I have seen different turns of our foreign policy, but never have I been so ashamed of my country as on February 24 of this year. The aggressive war unleashed by Putin against Ukraine, and in fact against the entire Western world, is not only a crime against the Ukrainian people, but also, perhaps, the most serious crime against the people of Russia, with a bold letter Z crossing out all hopes and prospects for a prosperous free society in our country.

Those who conceived this war want only one thing – to remain in power forever, live in pompous tasteless palaces, sail on yachts comparable in tonnage and cost to the entire Russian Navy, enjoying unlimited power and complete impunity. To achieve that they are willing to sacrifice as many lives as it takes. Thousands of Russians and Ukrainians have already died just for this.

I regret to admit that over all these twenty years the level of lies and unprofessionalism in the work of the Foreign Ministry has been increasing all the time. However, in most recent years, this has become simply catastrophic. Instead of unbiased information, impartial analysis and sober forecasting, there are propaganda cliches in the spirit of Soviet newspapers of the 1930s. A system has been built that deceives itself.

Minister Lavrov is a good illustration of the degradation of this system. In 18 years, he went from a professional and educated intellectual, whom many colleagues held in such high esteem, to a person who constantly broadcasts conflicting statements and threatens the world (that is, Russia too) with nuclear weapons!

Today, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not about diplomacy. It is all about warmongering, lies and hatred. It serves interests of few, the very few people thus contributing to further isolation and degradation of my country. Russia no longer has allies, and there is no one to blame but its reckless and ill-conceived policy.

I studied to be a diplomat and have been a diplomat for twenty years. The Ministry has become my home and family. But I simply cannot any longer share in this bloody, witness and absolutely needless ignominy."

This is a diplomat with 20 years experience, putting his life on the line to expose the truth. But of course you know better than him ;)

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119104093#Comment_119104093

But cheerful you didn't predict anything, you're just copying opinions and picking out the ones that appeal to your silly and childish world view.

You're a holocaust denier, you can't possibly have a good enough understanding of anything to actually have insight into global events.

You must be pleased that your boy is getting some wins finally.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105130#Comment_119105130

it's like that poster who doesn't believe satellites are real, just encourage them and all the unhinged stuff spews out. Morbidly fascinating.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105172#Comment_119105172

Wasn't it cheerful who was claiming that he wanted to move to Russia as it was a paradise free of the covid restrictions?

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105211#Comment_119105211

Well he's already admitted to being in Moscow so maybe his dream move did come true, more likely though is he was always there spreading Russian disinformation across the net, being told what to post and where.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105352#Comment_119105352

Here's something a little fun:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884678#Comment_118884678

While ago I noticed that he typed: "Am I supporting the Kremlin version here?????????????77" and thought it was a bit weird that he typed two 7s at the end of a string of question marks.

I figured that he might be using a different language's keyboard and it was like when someone types !!!!!!!!111 by accident.

Wanna guess where has the only keyboard that has the 7 and the ? share the same key? :P

xboxdad

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/french-ambassador-neutrality-will-not-stop-russia-harming-ireland_arid-40879352.html

...but we share the same small island with the UK and we don't even have a real border between us.

If Russia does anything remotely large scale on this island, they drag the UK into it one way or another.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105128#Comment_119105128

Knowing something about war, I knew these stories were bullshit. You, on the other hand, believed them and still do. The Russians are experts at encirclement and gaining leverage. It's just that you never learned how the Soviet army beat the best armies of the Third Reich in the east. Even Hitler's best general couldn't match them. In Kyiv, the Russians expected another outcome than a hard fight, but once they realized Ukraine was up for it, they rethought their strategy.

NATO backed Ukraine, but they still don't know how to stop them, Russian troops don't fight like other army units, all the war is doing is transforming Russia soldiers into veterans West sold you the narrative Russia can't win, but only country losing ground is Ukraine. They even claim now, Russia outnumbers them 7 to 1 in the Donbas. That's only possible if they killed so many troops they can't stop them anymore.

I told you a month ago that Russia was grinding down the Ukrainian army. I guess you guys thought losing half the army was right, what Russia was actually doing here slowly smashing the defensive lines with heavy weapons, only bringing in forces when the Ukrainian army was suffering. Low morale army doesn't advance like this, but you're too stupid to see it. Sure, your predictions won't come true here. Live in your own world.,

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105784#Comment_119105784

Starting to suspect it too.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119119734#Comment_119119734

"Knowing something about war, I knew these stories were bullshit."

What do you know about war? The things you have read in books? The movies you have watched? What the Kremlin has told you?

Let me tell you from 1st hand experience, the average Russian soldier is poorly trained, poorly equipped and extremely unhappy with how they are treated, and I'm talking about Russian soldiers in peace time when they weren't getting killed because of a mad man's delusional ambition to bring the east of Europe back into the arms of mother Russia.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119120187#Comment_119120187

He read all about it on Twitter, so he is of course an expert.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119120271#Comment_119120271

Yup

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119121331#Comment_119121331

https://mobile.twitter.com/yaao2014/status/1530287259915800578

That's another major area in Ukraine that falls to them. It wasn't realistic to believe that the operation was stalled, the army had low morale refusing to fight, there was a shortage of tanks and missiles, and had no food too. Reality isn't affected by fiction. This army has a high morale. The ones you see on Russian tv or talk shows are usually blowhards who think fighting NATO makes sense. Got them in every country, fighting NATO on the ground doesn't make sense.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105128#Comment_119105128

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1530242646891012097

Russians showed the west that you can't mess with them like you can with small countries. The world doesn't just revolve around Europe and the U.S.

The EU knows they're only hurting themselves. Since they can't find reliable gas suppliers elsewhere cutting it all off was a joke. The EU realized that protecting their own economies is more important than winning a geopolitical conflict for the US. They've actually done themselves more harm than good here because other countries are coming into the BRICS, with China, India, and Russia, and that's bad for trade and US economy once they stop using dollars.

You hate Galloway, but that's predictable, he says what dumbies don't see.

Cheerful S

We're not allowed to see the Russian side of things this documentary is useful.. It's no surprise to me If this video was taken off YouTube soon?.

I think this could have all been avoided and the country got ruined to satisfy neo nazis and their friends in the United States. Ukraine staying neutral was acceptable for Russia, but not for the United States.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIaHQET_M7I&t=141s&ab_channel=MaxChronicler

And yet another language upgrade, Cheerful. Read a few more books, eh?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119124637#Comment_119124637

You're on the wrong side of history if you accept Nazis, and that's what Ukraine's been doing here since 2004. West accepts them too. Should be ashamed to support an ideology based on destroying other races of humans

Instead of pushing them to one side, Ukraine accepted their ideology and made them out to be war heroes. Even made a WW2 war criminal who killed Jews a national hero.. What's up with that?

The Soviet Union lost 30 million citizens to them, and you think just going to let them increase their influence militarily in Ukraine and worse, turn their guns on Russia. Having an aversion to Russia made you think neo-Nazis-in-country armed forces not a a big deal.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119124854#Comment_119124854

The thing is that we don’t accept the Russian Nazi’s and their rape, murder, kidnapping, filtration camps etc. You do. You are on the wrong side of history and you and your colleagues will be staring into the abyss that is a poor Russian state for decades.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119124854#Comment_119124854

what BS. You do not need to be a Nazi - pick whatever definition you like - to kill, maim people , carry out a genocide and while you are at it level/ pound cities, towns , etc to rubble, destroy a country s productive/ cultural assets, create a massive refugee problem, etc, etc, etc, etc. NO NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. No NO NO , YOU JUST NEED TO BE A RUSSIAN SOLDIER IN THE RUSSIAN ARMY MANAGED BY A CARING PRESIDENT!

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119124854#Comment_119124854

Lol

Ukraine protects minorities like the LGBT community and Crimean Tatars, in Putin's Russia they are subjected to persecution. Putin's dog Kadyrov in Chechnya has a policy of hunting down and murdering homosexuals.

Putin himself has worked with Russian Neo-Nazi groups and ultra nationalists ("Russkii Obraz","OB88") cultivating links and ties with them to combat democratic forces in Russia

The average biker gang has more Nazi regalia than the Azov brigade, likewise the average UK football game has more far-right types. Yet you still screech hysterical about it because Putin's gaslighting propaganda has worked so well on you.

Democratic Ukraine is about as far from Hitler's Germany as you can get. Led by a Jew, they have less far-right representation that most European countries. In complete contrast, Putin's totalitarian regime is more similar to Hitler's every day. Anti-gay, ultra-nationalist, filtration camps, mobile crematoria, full state control over the media, jackbooted police state, political opposition banned...

Yet you trip over yourself supporting Putin's modern fascism. As well as being a Holocaust denier who has literally written that you believe the "Jews" exaggerated it.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119124854#Comment_119124854

Absolutely bizarre.

Can I suggest a move to the motherland for you and see how long you survive before you come home crying.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119124854#Comment_119124854

Cheerful. you are a holocaust denier.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119125328#Comment_119125328

Your excuses are endless, so it's no surprise. I'm sure you cheered for Hitler when he came down in his car during a parade, right? Just the wrong era to recognize your faults and fix them.

Getting on your soapbox about the lack of public support for far right battalions and neo nazis in Ukraine. That's a silly argument, when Ukraine has accepted them as legitimate forces to fight Russia. Only nation in modern times with Neo Nazis in its armed forces. There's no way you can get your head around that and why Russia would care? Tricking people into thinking Azov and biker gangs are the same. Before any war broke out, Azov kept shelling Lugansk and Donbas.

There's been debunking of the mobile crematoria story and all that Ukraine stuff you just believe because you want to, the same c*** they put on the internet about the ghost of Kiev, fake counterattacks, killing of top Russian general, and the fake snake island attack. Kiev keeps telling fake stories to the west and they are reprinting them, and you don't think twice about it. The Ukraine SBU is notorious for hunting down Russia sympathizers, killing them, and blaming it on the Russian Army. 

There may be war crimes involving Russian soldiers, but I wouldn't believe Ukraine because they tend to fabricate a lot. Russians nowadays live like westerners. This isn't North Korea. Putin keeps a good grip on Russia, but I'd rather not have a broken Russia. I don't see a problem with Putin asking Ukraine to stay neutral and the people in Donbas and Lugansk to live in peace with some control over their own affairs? 

It didn't matter to the west, and Putin had enough of the talks because they didn't matter. President Putin was ignored and Russian soldiers crossed the border, which is what happens when you don't think a big country like Russia has a problem with Nato expansion. Russia told Nato for a decade, but nothing happened.  

Ukraine distanced itself from Azov, pulled its troops back, and announced it would make a treaty with Russia. Vladimir Putin never would have sent his military in. 

You have accepted neo nazis' right to live in Ukraine even though I haven't killed anyone, Jewish or otherwise. It seems like on your end you support Azov/ Neo Nazi attacks against Russias everywhere, but I don't support Nazis of WWII and their attacks against Jews? Who's worse here, me or you?   

Thiis what the founding leader of Azov said Ukraine's mission is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade…against the Semite-led Untermenschen.”  You should head into the area has a mental block, Azov isn't just against the Russians, they have a problem with people they consider inferior.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119129145#Comment_119129145

but I don't support Nazis of WWII and their attacks against Jews? Who's worse here, me or you? 

No, you just think there's a Jewish lead global conspiracy to exaggerate their attacks against Jewish people and that their attacks weren't as bad or as brutal as people say.

In your quest to tell people about this, you have quoted and defended neo-nazis and racists.

You aren't fooling anyone with these rants man. You long ago destroyed any chance of being taken seriously on any topic, especially this one.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119129145#Comment_119129145

Lol so not only is Ukraine a "Nazi country", not only are "Nazis behind 9/11, JFK, etc", now other posters "support Hitler". It's Godwin squared.

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119129670#Comment_119129670

"Secret" Nazis

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119129670#Comment_119129670

But of course, for the Nazis he likes, like the ones who work for Putin or the ones who manufacture the holocaust denial propaganda he swallows, they're obviously not Nazis.

stuff.hunter

wow, good read here just a few bits:

1. theory that Russian soldiers are poorly trained is utter bullsh1t
2. what about thousands of Russians being exterminated by Ukrainian scum pre-2014?

and of course only Russian shells are damaging cities - presume Russians bombarding themselves to inflict damage on cities which are under their control as Ukrainian guerillas and released criminals got extensive military training so it cant be.

watch more RTE news showing falling flares with comment that these are cluster bombs ... not a fcuking clue

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148920#Comment_119148920

Another one, I'll bite

Many Russian units are ill-disciplined and badly organised. Where to start? Russian riot police found themselves on the frontline of Kyiv at the opening of the conflict. Looting is widespread. They've been losing equipment and vehicles (visually confirmed) at the rate of 3 to 1. Russian comms were so bad they were using cell phones to communicate, much of it intercepted. The Russians themselves are complaining, they have medical kits from the 70's, the soldiers in Chernobyl had maps from 1985 (huge numbers were poisoned from digging in the radioactive red forest), in the early days up to 50% of certain units had frostbite. It's still a big potent military, but yeah ample evidence they are pretty woeful by modern standards. Even pro-Russian bloggers were losing it when that battalion got slaughtered crossing the river.

What thousands of Russians being "exterminated by Ukrainian scum pre-2014"?

Any Russian shell or missile is 100% Putin's responsibility. It's a war of choice by Russia. Likewise every dead Ukrainian and every dead Russian is 100% Putin's responsibility. And yes, Russia has a doctrine and encircling a city and pulverising it with artillery and air, nasty, but it's how they do.

No idea about your RTE claim. If it's the below that's not cluster munitions, it's WP, burns at 3k degrees, through anything. I'd take cluster bombs any day over that.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but am braced for the usual. Any thoughts on 9/11 by the way? (considering this is a 9/11 conspiracy forum)

stuff.hunter

seriously, this whole topic is pointless as embraces one point of view only: Russia is BAD, Ukraine is GOOD, anything which doesnt fit it is BAD, lets blame Putin for everything, guess he fixed our last elections as well ...oh, forgot 'cyber attacks' on HSE and DAA and as far as I know, Russia still winning this war as their only objective was to take over SE regions and they succeeded.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149235#Comment_119149235

Okay. There's no evidence Putin "fixed" Irish elections. The ransomware cyber attack on the HSE was believed to be carried out by a Russian criminal gang.

No one is really "winning" the war, but Russia has been making recent gains in the East after being pushed back from Kyiv and Kharkiv and is currently having some issues NE of Kherson. It's widely believed (and quite obvious) they wanted to take the whole country, but have been forced to continually modify their plans due to setbacks and heavy Ukr resistance. It's a war of conquest and territory, looks like they are trying to claw whatever they can from their neighbour.

Any response to my previous points/questions?

stuff.hunter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149364#Comment_119149364

ok, as first Putin wanted to avoid having border with NATO so [quote] It's widely believed (and quite obvious) they wanted to take the whole country [end quote] is complete rubbish as he'll end up having border with Poland which is NATO member. Initial attack in Kievs direction was simple tactical move to spread Ukrainian forces wide and thin and even Stevie Wonder would see it, in mean time Ukrainian resistance being blown away by own tanks on check points (quite funny).

Next The ransomware cyber attack on the HSE was believed to be carried out by a Russian criminal gang guess because RTE said so.

In regards of Ukrainians slaughtering Russians info here https://tass.com/world/1401797?utm_source=google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=google.com&utm_referrer=google.com , there are other sources as well.

Finally, I'm really curious where did you get information that Russian forces were using mobile phones to communicate between own units and these other funny stories?

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149553#Comment_119149553

Yes pretending to try and take Kiev was a tactical move to have a load of his army eliminated from future battles e.g. Suicide missions to take Hostomel, etc. Do you read the nonsense you post? However, maybe I have mistook you and you really are the person behind the Darth Putin Twitter account!

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149553#Comment_119149553

Finland has a long border with Russia, it's (quite rightly) making it's own decision to join a defensive organisation, according to you, does that validate Putin attacking Finland? If your answer is no, then why use is as a pretext to validate attacking an entire country?

Likewise, on Russian state TV and in it's parliament they regularly talk about attacking European countries, invading them, nuking them, their helicopters have "onwards to Berlin" written on them. When's the last time you heard e.g. Finland talking about invading Russia. Who is the real threat there do you think?

The notion that Russian's northern move on Kyiv was a "feint" is highly unlikely, not to mention a little silly. Russia took immense losses. It's pretty obvious they assumed, like many analysts did, that the country would fall quickly like Hungary, Czechoslovakia or more recently Afghanistan.

TASS is a state controlled Russian news agency. You claimed Ukrainian "scum" killed thousands of Russians prior to 2014, can you support that?

For the HSE attack, sure:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/dark-web-dump-sites-being-monitored-for-hse-data-after-hack-1.4567731

Russians using mobile phones (and unencrypted walkie-talkies)

https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/ukraine-russian-militarys-own-encrypted-phones-impacted-after-destroying-3g4g-towers-allowing-comms-to-be-intercepted/

Previously you mentioned you don't like to see Putin being portrayed as "bad". How do you see him and his rule?

He's been in power for 20 years, Russian people can't protest (they risk up to 15 years in jail for even holding up a blank piece of paper), independent journalism has been criminalised, genuine political opposition face being put under house arrest, poisoned or murdered. He has just chosen to illegally invade a neighbouring democratic European country that is a threat to absolutely no one, killing the people, levelling cities to the ground, burning their books, using filtration camps, bringing in mobile crematoria vans, bombing their hospitals and schools, the list goes on and on. You see it differently right?

stuff.hunter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149603#Comment_119149603

of course you're right, loads of Russian army have been eliminated 🤣.... really, so many 'military strategists' and 'experts' in here, keep watching RTE and read these colorful magazines 😂😂

my further posts in here are pointless as no one got any valid points to discuss, bye

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149808#Comment_119149808

Typical CT’ist. Run when your nonsense is challenged. What happened at Hostomel in your opinion?

stuff.hunter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149807#Comment_119149807

any valid independent sources? don't think so.

and Finland making their own decision, pure joke ... and I dont like Putin at all, on the top internal Russian affairs shouldnt be anyones concern.

Also, as I've said previously, it seem to Russians shelling cities taken over by themselves due to Ukrainians not trying to take them back lol

bye

Dohnjoe

Note the pattern, every time.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149899#Comment_119149899

He even did a dramatic exit, and as standard he could not help himself, thus the encore.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149364#Comment_119149364

It was just like I predicted about Kharkiv, the Russians pushed back the Ukrainian forces and retook some villages. No one in the west even talks about the Kharviv offensive anymore. Big claims about pushing down into Izium to counter Russia's attack in the Donbas didn't happen, they couldn't, was a lie. 

It was nothing more than a retreat to secure the lines. As soon as the Ukrainians tried to go further, they got beaten up. Western media doesn't report Kherson offensive was a disaster. Wasn't even a counterattack with massive armor and men moves, what they tried failed. I've seen the videos. This is why the U.S. is telling Ukraine they may have to give up territory. The Nato weapons are not going to stop Russia. The Russian army is grinding down the Ukrainian army and suffering fewer losses now. They don't lose their army making stupid mistakes. In the east, Ukraine hasn't won anything since the Kyiv operation, it's been downhill since then, with Russia grabbing pieces piece by piece every week.  

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119156051#Comment_119156051

But I thought the official word is that the Kyiv thing was all a clever ruse by the Russians that went off perfectly.

Also lol you didn't predict anything man. You can't predict anything as you are talking completely out of your arse.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119156051#Comment_119156051

You claimed Mariupol had completely fallen and then Moscow spent a month or more waiting until it finally fell. I remember you writing about the "final push" to Kyiv early in the conflict. You just modify and distort everything to fit your generic "anti-West" narratives.

Since "the West" has aligned with Ukraine, naturally you align and indirectly cheer for the opposing totalitarian country invading it. It's like a religious cult. Of course you are "smart" enough to pay lipservice to the horrendous state of Russia, but you have systematically supported Putin in every post I've ever seen you make here. It's completely normal in the topsy-turvy world of conspiracy theorists for individuals like you to support the totalitarian police state, whilst going ape about the harmless democracy :)

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119156322#Comment_119156322

When you hold 98 to 99 percent of a city, you've taken it over. Going underground to hide from the Russians for weeks only delayed the inevitable. They weren't going to be rescued. There were some attempts to save the leaders, but the helicopters were shot down by Russian anti-air defenses.

Here's my position on Kyiv. There was never a plan to go into the city, and that was obvious from the troops moving towards it. The lack of artillery support to assist the advancing columns puzzled me from the start. There was some naivety here that the Ukrainian army wouldn't fight much. War begins sometimes makes you underestimate your enemy.

Ukraine shouldn't have neo nazi units in their army, and frankly, I think Putin Russia has a right to protect itself from foreign threats. What if Mexico cut ties with the United States, suddenly joined an alliance with Russia, and heavy weapons and combat trainers started coming into the country to train its army to fight the US? Sounds crazy, right? Because this is what's happening in Ukraine and Russia has no reason to trust the United States. Past track cant be ignored. Assisted in razing a lot of middle eastern cities or got involved in it bombing them. In an ideal world, Russia would be able to trust Ukraine to keep the peace, but that's not the case since they were likely preparing an invasion of Donbas this summer.

It would have been better for Ukraine to go neutral and let the Donbas and Lugansk keep their freedoms instead of trying to take them back by force. Each to their own what makes sense for peace.  

The Nal

Still confused what this has to do with 9/11

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148920#Comment_119148920

After that post I have come to the conclusion that you have a serious dose of Putinists. As a possible cure , you might ‘ read up’ how the Russian army ‘so first actions are when it approaches towns/ vliiages /cities before moving in on foot. Mariopul would be a good case study for you . To help you in your research the only/ main question to be answered is which side levelled Mariopul? You might tell all of us boardies what your findings are

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119156723#Comment_119156723

Nothing, Cheerful and other pro putineers just need a place to dump thier shite.

Cheerful's long ago given up his 9/11 stuff cause he's made himself a total laughing stock with that. I think he's trying to reinvent himself as an expert on military tactics and a crusader against nazis (Just not the nazis he likes).

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119156687#Comment_119156687

Nope. Moscow couldn't say Mariupol had fallen because there were two battalions worth of enemy fighters in the city.

Your view on Kyiv is BS, you literally wrote "the final push" in Kyiv in one of your earlier posts.

LNR and DNR is Ukrainian territory, it was attacked by force by Ru proxy forces and Russian backed separatists starting over 8 years ago. Ukraine is a sovereign country, if areas wanted more federal independence, they could have used democratic methods.

Ukraine can choose to join NATO, choose to join EU, again it's a sovereign country, it's no threat to Russia. NATO is no threat to Russia. Russia, as always, is the threat to it's neighbours, when it isn't annexing or invading or meddling, it constantly talks about invading, attacking, nuking, you only have to switch on Russian TV or listen to any of it's politicians.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119156959#Comment_119156959

They're not doing much to defend the city by hiding underground like rats. 98-99% of the city was in Russian hands at the time and no help was coming. The Ukrainian government even told them they couldn't help. They exhausted their food and water and medical supplies and they had to surrender. Compare this to Stalingrad, where the Soviets counterattacked and pushed back the Wehrmacht?

Once they ran and hid for their lives, it was over. There was some brave last stand in your world hiding from the Russians? No matter if it's an official announcement or not, the battle for the city was over,. 

In order to take Kyiv in Feb and March, you'd have to combine Russian forces in the east and south. The forces surrounding Mariupol and Kharkiv would have to come up and join the forces in the north, so they could attack from different areas. 

 There weren't enough forces up north in February to hold a city that big. Moving large military columns without artillery support is very unRussian. The Russians messed up somewhere here and plans had to be changed. Slow and grinding now in the East, but it stops mass casualties on their side. Bringing Russia's artillery down on defenses and just mopping up who's left. It ain't a Blitzkrieg, but at least you have an army left to take the rest of the Donbas and Lugansk. Even if it takes you longer to get there, and the losses are less, how is that not a smart strategy? 

 There's a tendency to forget that the Ukraine army has one of the largest standing armies in Europe, with modern equipment, for boots on the ground fighting. There's a real war between two strong armies. There's a toughness and hardness about the fighters on both sides, but I think Russia just has too much know-how about war for Ukraine to win. Very few countries have beaten Russia militarily. Russia will always find a way to win.  

Nato attacked Yugoslavia in 1999 and not that long ago. The UN didn't approve it again. Same with Iraq 2003. The US decided to pick a side and attack the Serbs who happened to be Russian allies. Nato has always had a geopolitical agenda, which is to make Russia's security vulnerable. If you think Nato is friendly to Russian interests, you're living on the wrong planet  

When the West sends heavy weapons to kill its soldiers, what do you expect to see on their TV? If civil war broke out in France, and the government was up against some resistance allied with the UK, would the French government be hostile on their networks to the UK meddling in their business? You just ignore that the West decided to arm Ukraine against Russia, even though the Russia federation never declared war on them. It's probably not just luck that Putin doesn't listen to TV because if he did, we'd be at WW3. If the West doesn't watch what it does, we might see Russia attacking a Nato member. Do people think it's worth billions of dead on this planet so they can punish Putin?