Russia

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119018284#Comment_119018284

And then ensuring that the planes don't hit any of these magic explosives.

weisses

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118981690#Comment_118981690

Obviously you are ......

Page upon page of off topic waffle 😅

OP is right though that the US and Europe cannot be outraged when it comes to the 5 million refugees when looking what their own devastating actions in the ME has created since 9/11

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119018446#Comment_119018446

You refer to "off topic waffle" in a thread about Russia in a 9/11 conspiracy theories forum.

weisses

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119018526#Comment_119018526

No its the molten steel, free fall, etc etc in a thread about refugees Rus vs US I am refering to and to whitch you are all flock to like flies to a heap of dung.

You bunch just cant help urself 😂

OP below

Joe Biden today announces so with concern that the Russian invasion has created 5 million refugees but says nothing about the 32 million refugees created by US wars sine 9/11 source Brown University USA ! Double dealing talk so disingenuous and dangerous

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119018398#Comment_119018398

Or miss the buildings entirely and leave a giant stack of evidence pointing right to the culprits

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119018606#Comment_119018606

You are absolutely right, we are like flies to dung.

I suspect I could create a thread about bananas in here and someone will start filling it with their 9/11 conspiracy theory crapola and fringe world views in no time.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119018606#Comment_119018606

"No its the molten steel, free fall, etc etc in a thread about refugees Rus vs US I am refering to"

And who introduced those topics into the thread?

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119018446#Comment_119018446

Nope. Just skim them for the silly points that highlight how ridiculous and pathetic his claims are.

Why don't you read them?

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119018868#Comment_119018868

Conspiracy theorists can't be wrong or behave badly though. So it has to be all our fault.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119017410#Comment_119017410

Not strange at all. I explained why, and you did exactly as I expected, and engaging you further is pointless.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119018398#Comment_119018398

When you do not understand what the truther community believes, it is difficult to back out of a thread.

. In reality, debunkers don't read the posts very carefully, since in what way could nano-thermite make a significant amount of noise? If you read what truthers say about the destruction of the twin towers, they claim nano-thermite was used to weaken the steel to a point where it fail on its own. 

A plane hitting the towers could be seen as a requirement to set off nanothermite, heat must be provided to ignite it, and then dismantling of the steel support begins. Would it have been sufficient for a fire to have been started in the proper location to cause the collapse without the need for planes?

I think that would have been very odd had two steel highrisee buildings collapsed as a result of a fire that broke out randomly that day. Kind of needed the woah factor and the terrorist attack. 

The nanothermite removes the need for all the heavy work of wiring the entire building in order to demolish it. It is possible that some explosives were used in the building to speed up the process of the demolition below the impact point? Maybe, but the only evidence for controlled demolition found in tower dust is the nano-thermite. 

Nanothermite should not be in WTC dust. There is a sense in which nano-thermite may explain why there is hot liquid underneath the rubble, causing the steel to appear as if it has come from an iron foundry, and if you see holes in steel, this indicates it has been melted. When steel is falling down naturally as a result of structural weakness, it does not melt. The bent members are typical of a natural collapse, but the cutouts in some of the steel suggest that something chemical may have eaten the steel. Because of the very high volume of iron microspheres found at ground zero, the heat in that building was much higher than the estimates provided by NIST. The highest temperature reported was 800 degrees Celcius, which makes sense given that most office buildings contain only wood furniture and office paper. Iron microspheres are found in the millions that can only be a result of temperatures exceeding 1500 degrees Celsius, even up to 3000 degrees Celsius. Office fires never reach these temperatures. Analysis overlooked here.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119021541#Comment_119021541

Thought you were done with 9/11 stuff.

Self imposed exile lasted all of 8 hours...

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119017886#Comment_119017886

A few of the individuals who dismiss the controlled demolition saw it when I posted it. According to the demolition company, my claim is hypothetically valid and that fiber optics can be used in the signal process to set off explosives. However, I have never claimed that this was what actually occurred ( speculation), but one can clearly see from the use of military-grade nanothermite that they were using materials to conceal their activities. You can have all the planning in the world, but if the community digs deep enough, you will find stuff. Since the authorities never did this, they got away with it.  

Cheerful S

You do not have to believe me. I am just one cog in the wheel who believes in it. A lively discussion took place on the international Skeptics forum regarding the red/grey chips found in the WTC towers. There is far more technical knowledge displayed there than I could possibly provide. It was a great discussion between both of them. It is well worth reading. Laypeople may find the nano-thermite explantation strange,, but after a time all makes sense when the science has a great deal of evidence to support it. 

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289588

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119021692#Comment_119021692

But it doesn't make sense though.

Do you not remember how you disproved the nano-thermite theory yourself by posting a study that showed for a far that one of the byproducts of a thermite reaction was absent?

Why not ask your demolition company about the nano-thermite demolition?

I think it's because you're afraid they'll tell you it's false.

Cheerful S

There is an important to know about the red/grey chips The chips ignite when heated up to 430° C (that is never the case with standard thermite. The energetic reaction here is creating heat that creates Iron microspheres on the end of the chips. Clearly as Jay stated, this is advanced manufactured material. The presence of iron microspheres is very strong evidence the red/gray chips contain the ingredients for thermite. What other materials in the building, when heated to 430 degrees Celsius, would produce pure iron spheres? There is nothing.

Aluminum oxide question) It makes perfect sense, how would you know if you weren't looking for it. When the building collapses, everything goes off in all directions. What is clear the red/grey chips are remarkable that can produce pure Iron from very low heat. Typically, it takes more heat than that to produce molten iron.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119021831#Comment_119021831

Lol thought you were still pretending I was on ignore.

But the other study you latched onto showed there was no aluminum oxide, so therefore it's impossible for there to have been a thermite reaction.

You admitted this was the are when you ran away from that thread and refused to address this issue.

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119021907#Comment_119021907

He'll be back with some recycled nonsense he'll spam the thread with multiple times.

Dohnjoe

Aaand we're back to the red/grey chips. According to Cheerful, they were left in boxes, scattered around the buildings, and blown up with wireless detonators. "I can picture it in my head, so why didn't it happen?"

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119026914#Comment_119026914

Pick any thread in the 9-11 forum and you can see the same waffle copy/pasted into there, why he is spamming this thread with that off topic nonsense is a mystery.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119026914#Comment_119026914

But that all the aluminium oxide that was left was washed away somehow and didn't level a trace.

Or was it that he claimed that the thermite was magic and didn't product aluminium oxide but did produce the other byproducts and also still has the same chemical make up of normal thermite...

He flipped and floundered a lot when he painted himself into that particular corner.

Cheerful S

Here, what needs to be confronted is that the red/gray chips contained nanoscale ingredients of thermite. However, since the ingredients for thermite are already present, why does the aluminum oxide not remain after ignition? There are a few possible explanations. 

 Harritt and his team believe that nano-thermite was engineered, and so there is likely a great deal they do not know about how it was made. In observing what is happening with red and grey through scientific tests and so on, we learn a lot, whoever made it knows more.  

 The debunkers would be correct in their analysis if nano-thermite ingredients were missing. This is not the case here, so we are left with a mystery as to how the nano-thermite ingrédients ended up in this mixture of other chemicals in the dust collected after the towers came down?.

 In addition, a byproduct did appear, so I must ask, how does 430 degrees Celsius heat produce Molten iron? It is clear the chips contained the ingredients for thermite, disputing waste of time.

Only at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory have nano thermites with a similar composition produced molten iron at similar temperatures. Therefore, whatever the red chips and grey chips are not commercially available

Furthermore, Harris and his team observed that an explosive pressure gas was released from the chips after they were ignited. If there is something here, perhaps this would explain that huge mushroom when the structure broke apart and why steel that weighed tons and tons and ended up on streets blocks away. The top half of the building had an explosive volcano, which erupts from the pressure of whatever gas is inside? Although this is unclear, the discovery of the gas is an interesting find.

To me, nano thermite explains a lot about why liquids were pouring out of the towers while it was still burning. The odd steel anomalies that were revealed in the FEMA reports concerning the 2001 investigations, the iron sphere anomalies, the heat in the rubble for weeks, all point to that steel was being melted down before the collapse. 

Timberrrrrrrr

More off topic spamming of the thread.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119032364#Comment_119032364

No it doesn't. Any quack can go to any building site in the world and discover common elements like alu and iron everywhere and say "look thermite". Likewise if you go into a bathroom or kitchen you will discover the ingredients of explosives.

There's a market for this quackery, you are the audience, they sell it to you. Twenty years on they are still making money from it.

Moving back to key questions:

You openly believe "Nazis", "Jews", Saudi's, the US president and more all conspired to pull off 9/11 as an inside job, "blowing up" all three buildings, does this theory exist anywhere outside your head?

If it only exists in your head, and you can't support it, why should anyone take you seriously?

Cheerful S

On Ukraine-supporting channels, this may be regarded as propaganda, since they are denialists and only watch nonsense.

After four weeks of conflict, this is the reality of the conflict in the East Donbass. Russia is making significant gains and doing it without most of the larger forces being deployed. Even NATO acknowledges that Russian forces in mass have not yet entered the fray; things are going very badly for Ukraine.

First map from late April ( leftside)

Second map from May ( rightside)

Here is a map showing what Russia is attempting to accomplish at this point in order to trap Ukraine forces in that area. Although Ukraine may attempt to relieve them via Izyum, they probably will not be able to do so since Russia pulled back from Kharkiv and reinforced that line of control with more BTG 

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119032490#Comment_119032490

https://www.us-nano.com/inc/sdetail/593 

Iron Oxide Fe2O3 Nanopowder 

It was a part of the mixture. However, unsure why that matters. Maybe the following link will help? This is the prices in 2020, just imagine what the cost was in 2001. To find this in chips is highly unusual. How much is a can of paint? 

The fact that this is manufactured for sale is another clue. 

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119032572#Comment_119032572

Why can't you write to your demolition company and ask them about this, why can't you write a question if they think it's possible all 3 buildings were blown up on 9/11?

It would literally take 30 seconds. What are you afraid of?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119032593#Comment_119032593

There is too much controversy surrounding 9/11. In spite of what they believe privately, none of the big companies will question the official narrative. As part of this initiative, AE911 truth has met with ASCE members, who were shocked to discover how poorly the study was done. ASCE top brass began to threaten members who had shown no interest in the topic before from talking with AE911 truth. This shows that they feel threatened by the movement since they were one of the groups siding with NIST. It will have knock-on effects that will result in more engineers siding with the truth movement as the only way to stop it is threatening expulsion.. The world is a sad one, we fear debating this topic.

There are currently legal actions pending in the UK and the United States to have genuine hearings about the collapses. What makes you fear a lawsuit if there is nothing to this? In court, NIST could simply toss out the 911 truth and get its reputation back. However, they are resisting like hell having to explain their study in court. 

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119032658#Comment_119032658

There's none and we know what happened. There are still a bunch of families trying to sue Saudi Arabia, that's it.

Almost every major Western terrorist attack or large school shooting has a bunch of internet dwellers who think it was an "inside job", but, like you, can't explain how or why.

A few grifters like Ae911 still milk it for money.

Still curious why are you so terrified of taking 30 seconds to send a mail to a demolition company? If I genuinely believed it was an inside job, I wouldn't be on some quack conspiracy forum, I'd be going to experts, structural engineers, demo companies, asking their opinions and views.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119032791#Comment_119032791

Regarding the Saudis, it appears the families have obtained a video that the UK police had for twenty years which showed a Saudi spy having dinner with two of the 9/11 hijackers. Even after all this time, the images of all the people in the room continue to be blocked. The media is just as complicit in the cover-up, with a short segment on the subject. Why did it take so long for a video to be released? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2UahouPSiA&ab_channel=CBSMornings

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119032864#Comment_119032864

What cover-up?

"The media", that's thousands of competing outlets, independents, freelancers, international press, are you claiming that are all "complicit", in what exactly and how exactly?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119032957#Comment_119032957

See the process in action by watching the Russians versus the Ukrainians. The entire western pro official media has reported on how poorly the Russian forces are performing.They attribute this to a weak army and poorly led forces, forecasting that the Russians would exhaust all their missiles by the end of March.. Even convinced people that the entire Russian army would be forced over the border by summer. By broadcasting shite every night and watching it on Twitter and forum sites, it is quite possible to convince a large number of people to believe in fake news. 

The Russians are presently preparing the eastern battlefield one battle at a time, destroying Ukrainian defenses and leaving nothing but bodies behind (a tragic development). An encirclement has begun, with roads being destroyed and bridges being taken down, enclosing the area within a giant bubble. Russia is destroying them day by day, whereas the Ukrainian army prefers to fabricate a scenario in which a man was aboard MiG 29 and killing Russian pilots by the dozens. They create fake videos of attacks and create false stories in order to boost morale. This is not true, but Ukrainian supporters love it and believe it is all happening.

If you can convince the majority of westerners that Ukraine has a superman army, they will believe absurdities about JFK and 9/11, too. . It's all about what's between the lines. I find that funny, but I see how easily people can be beguiled by media nonsense.

 

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119033102#Comment_119033102

Explains conspiracy by hand-waving to another vague world view

I'll ask again, with relation to 9/11, what cover-up?

"The media", that's thousands of competing outlets, independents, freelancers, international press, are you claiming that are all "complicit", in what exactly and how exactly?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119033237#Comment_119033237

The media, particularly newspapers, ignored a number of issues regarding 9/11. There was a significant amount of political pressure coming from the White House, which led to the publication of only stories that conformed with the official version. After 9/11, there were many conspiracy stories that were never published. As we see in Epstein's story, the NBC channel learned of Prince Andrew's involvement a decade ago but was threatened by the Royal family that it would be removed from a contract to film a royal wedding and take photographs and video. Priorities were set for the royal wedding and the story was removed and saw what happened a decade later

. There has been an increase in censorship as a result of Washington think tanks being involved in internet bans and preventing 9/11 discussions. In the open, free internet, political bias should not be forced upon others. Want stories only depict the United States as good guys. Twitter, Facebook, and Reddit have become the media arms of the United States government policy. As soon as Professor Hulsey published his study, how many newspapers published it?

They sent the study to top networks, but if it were a story about Kardashian ass implants, they would not have difficulty printing that. Finding it strange that a building of this type falls down from fire at freefall for the first time in history, and that a study refuting it was not considered a newsworthy event. For me, there is a blocking of anything that questions officialdom narratives and stuff ends up on alternative websites instead of on the mainstream. It is nothing new for intelligence agencies to use media for their own purposes. (Operation Mockingbird) CNN even has a reporter who did some work on site for the CIA,  Anderson Cooper many more, all part of the plan to keep narratives controlled, 

Cheerful S

The Ukrainian supporter seems to have woken up to the realities on the ground after Popasna fell. Kind of confirms that the Chechen fighters who have been ridiculed for their fighting abilities have taken two significant places. There is no doubt that Chechens are brutal and likely to commit war crimes. However, they are effective in getting the job done. It is also evident that they were assigned to the area of conflict from Mariupol. The Ukrainian forces would not leave Popasna unless their lines were breached, as it is a strategic location to hold back forces coming crossing over from the Donbas. Considering the elevation of the position and the number of hardened bunkers, the remaining forces must have been suffering serious losses for them to leave quickly. A natural barrier that protects Bakhmut also has a supply line that provides weapons and ammunition to the Ukrainian forces there.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DreyfussAzov/status/1523307566792855552

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119033713#Comment_119033713

How has that anything to do with 9/11….the forum you are posting in? Is there a time machine hidden in Popasna with. A direct link to New York in 2001?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119033742#Comment_119033742

The thread on US involvement in that conflict had been closed down because complainers did not like other viewpoints. As I explained, the media can manipulate the masses to believe in false narratives. Whether Putin was right or wrong to attack a large area of Ukraine is not the issue, what is at issue is how the media and western nations claim that Russia's aims are not being achieved and that Russia is on its way out the country. Such false narratives not be revised especially when Ukraine losing big strategic battles in the east? This is all evidence of mass manipulation of opinion after 9/11.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119033780#Comment_119033780

Nah, you were banned from the main forums.The Russia thread is still getting loads of posts there, but when a person repeatedly posts crap they tend to get banned.

What did Russia do in 2001 that impacted 9/11?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119033795#Comment_119033795

I was banned for expressing a different viewpoint regarding the progression of the war in the east. I was labelled a Putin supporter because I considered the war to be not going well for Ukraine. That thread does not welcome such comments. The reality is setting in every day now. The fall of Popasna is a great loss for Ukraine, as it was one of the most heavily fortified areas in the east.

What kind of thread is it only hearing good news for Ukraine, that they remain in denial. War does not work this way., in times of war, there is always another side that will attempt to change the narrative, even if you try to prevent it.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119033872#Comment_119033872

What you were posting wasn’t true. Simple as that. You were also an apologist for Putin and his actions. But don’t let the truth get in the way of a tale as per normal.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119033898#Comment_119033898

Putin hasn't declared war yet, thought he could go all out and mobilize the whole country? And you really think conscripts and civilians are holding him back? While Germany has the most sophisticated military, in WW2 invaded the Soviet Union with nearly 4 million men and still couldn't pull it off, very few countries have won wars up inside Russian land, maybe the Mongols, how long ago was that. The notion that Russia will march across the borders to retreat is absurd, and Putin will be hanged from robes is equally absurd.

Whether one calls someone a Putin supporter or any other term with which one wishes to identify someone with a different viewpoint does not alter the factual situation regarding the war. There is no legitimate reason for Nato to be on Russia's border aiming missiles and weapons at it. Putin is just a silly reason to dismiss Russia's concerns about its national security.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119033987#Comment_119033987

Yawn. Apologist. National security ? He invaded a neutral country…twice!

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119033468#Comment_119033468

There are many "conspiracy stories" about Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing, 7/7, etc. The press might report on them occasionally, but they are baseless, like 9/11 conspiracies. You just happen to have a "favorite" conspiracy (of the many you believe in). Same way the poster who believes in satellites being fake has their "favorite".

Note what you do above, you cherry-pick a bunch of random stuff about reporting, use them to lazily generalise about the media, you don't address the question and you never give specifics.

Endlessly deceptive and evasive. I haven't come across any 9/11 truther who doesn't repeatedly use all these tricks and techniques.

I'll ask again, "the media" is complicit with what exactly? what "coverup"?

The one with Nazi's, Jews, Saudi's, the US president and others doing what exactly?

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119033987#Comment_119033987

You are using this thread to air your views on Russia/Ukraine because you were thread-banned on the main thread. You use the conspiracy theory forums constantly as soft targets for your extreme views.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119032364#Comment_119032364

Complete waffle and rambling that does not address the simple fact that the lack of aluminum oxide proves that the thermite theory is impossible.

It's also very funny you're still pretending I'm on ignore so you can continue to run away from points.

It now appears you're so desperate to avoid this point you're swinging back to your disgusting Putin bootlicking to distract from it.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119034121#Comment_119034121

You are expressing an extreme view by thinking that Russia has nothing to worry about when Washington was sending aircraft loads of weapons to Ukraine years before the invasion began. Playing deaf, dumb, and blind at this point. While Putin invited the West to resolve the Ukraine issue once and for all, the West turned its back on him. It was Zelensky who was led down a dangerous path and he still cannot understand that this was not about his country, but a means to win the new Cold War against Russia. They give billions of dollars in aid of weapons, but do not care about the state of Ukraine, they only care about the Russian military machine being hit, and none of their own boys are being killed. Ukraine and Russia could have lived side by side peacefully in the negotiated deal, however, the weapons are merely a sign that the UK and US have another agenda.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119034201#Comment_119034201

Russia annexed a part of the Ukraine. Russia invaded Ukraine.

More history rewriting from a holocaust denier. You'll start denying all of the war crimes committed by Russia now too.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119034117#Comment_119034117

Three of the conspiracies you mentioned involved actual terrorist attacks. One of them was carried out by a teenager. at a school. Comparing it with 9/11 is laughable and a distraction from all the anomalies associated with the collapse and all the evidence found in the rubble.

I cannot take you seriously if you are unwilling to investigate the collapse of Seven. My post 83 went unanswered. Avoiding the topic and then claiming that I am not showing you anything

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058242856/russia/p3 83 post in there have a look answer truthfully?

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119034240#Comment_119034240

Lol dude. You avoid every point put to you.

You are no different from your average Alex Jones believer.

Cheerful S

This website provides a concise summary of each complaint made regarding the official study of the collapses. It displays actual construction drawings side by side with NIST drawings and shows all the elements removed, which are critical and explains why they are important. This website illustrates the mistakes NIST made after getting caught, not just freefall. Reading this, one would have to be pretty closed-minded to not see that something is very wrong with the official narrative. The official narrative gets you in the dark on almost all issues. I have found this website to be one of the best I have come across recently.

Have read all, even entertains you. Have a good night!

https://isgp-studies.com/911-wtc-7-collapse-nist-failure-to-disprove-controlled-demolition-thermate