Superintending 2022

Bobtheman

Im thinking of applying. Have not done this in years. Have they improved the pay?

I know last year was lucrative because of covid. However I assume it will be back to normal this year?

Bobtheman

Obviously from the lack of replies its not lucrative at all. Thanks

rainbowtrout

Last year there was a fee for collecting the boxes before the exams started - €300. Then for anyone who had a longer stint and had to go back and do a second collection there was a further €300 payment. Then there was the daily supervision rate and expenses. I came out with about €900 for 4-5 days.

Bobtheman

It's unlikely to be as good this year though?

rainbowtrout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884983#Comment_118884983

Actually it is. Got an email this evening from my union which was an email sent to all principals for distribution. It's €304 for the pick up of the box and another €304 for every other pick up. I think last year you had to pick up papers on a weekly basis, only that I did one week so didn't have a second pick up.

In a nutshell itt says all superintendents appointed will receive:

a fee of €121.60 for each examination day

travel and subsistence for days of exam supervision and days of collection

a minimum of five days supervision and most contracts are longer

the collection fee as outlined above

They are especially looking for examiners for the Dublin area.

Bobtheman

I presume you mean they are looking for supervisors.

Thanks for the information.

Landers11

I have applied also. Can you request JC, LC, or LCA centres and up until a certain date? Didn't see this on the application form. What happens if you are assigned a timetable and cant do a certain date?

spurious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118919348#Comment_118919348

You have to be free every day. I don't think you can pick and choose what type centre you are assigned to.

Appointment to the position of Superintendent will be regarded as a contract of service. You must be free from other commitments during the entire period of the examinations i.e. over 18 DAY PERIOD FROM the 7 th June 2022 to 28th June 2022 (this includes Sunday 12 th and 19th June). Requests for leave of absence for an occasional day, part of day or days during the examinations will not be considered.

Bobtheman

Unless you happen to have a Relative sitting a particular exam

Landers11

Thanks for the quick responses. That's a bit of a pain seeing that we have to wait and see what we get. Crazy that the notice is so late. I have a wedding a particular weekend so wouldn't be able to collect papers on that Sunday. The only day in the period that I can't do. Wonder will they understand seeing as they may be stuck for superintendents. Hopefully they can easily sort that just in case.

Bobtheman

In my experience not a friendly bunch

Landers11

Will have to resign the position if they can't let me off the Sunday. Is it possible to pick up all the papers up on 1 Sunday rather than 2 Sundays?

Bobtheman

Don't worry about it for the moment. See what you get. It might be fine.

Random sample

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118920786#Comment_118920786

I don’t understand the point here.

Random sample

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118919348#Comment_118919348

In recent years, new superintendents have gotten the shorter stints. I don’t know if that will change this year with greater need, but definitely still worth applying if you are interested. Maybe add in the date you need to finish by, and then it will be up to them to decide how badly they need you.

spurious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118924289#Comment_118924289

I think the very best you could hope for would be an early or late pickup on the Sunday. They won't be letting a batch of papers out a week early.

Landers11

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118925479#Comment_118925479

I don't remember seeing an option on the application that asked for a desired finish date.

Random sample

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118928962#Comment_118928962

You could add it on a post it. I’ve done it for the orals when there were two weeks and I wanted one week over the other.

Landers11

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929525#Comment_118929525

I submitted the form electronically. Suppose my only options is to wait and see what I get or ring them and tell them that I want to finish by a specific date.

2011abc

People considering these must be very low paid to not be on 50% plus tax/USC /PRSI etc AND/OR in no hurry for payment :-( Are ordinary working /middle class single teachers relying on Department pay for their mortgage ,buying food etc almost extinct now ?Certainly in my experience many have emigrated leaving the staffroom increasingly populated by young FFG voters supported by parents or spouse's higher paying job .

spurious

I'm on a 16k pension having used up my savings over the last two years not having any SEC work (I used to do more than just examine). I am hoping to do both superintending and examining this year.

When I was a young teacher we almost all did one or the other, partly for the experience, but mainly for the money. Speaking to friends who are still teaching there seems to be no great desire from young teachers in their staffrooms to do it.

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118925468#Comment_118925468

I can't seem to get rid of the above post. How do you delete?

Bobtheman

Spurious

It is curious given all we hear is about high rents etc?

Perhaps depending on subjects they are all doing grinds?

Who knows.

Personally I dread doing it. It's just more kids and classrooms etc

Im mainly putting my oar in now because of possibility of extra pick up days. However i doubt that has been decided upon yet.

Bobtheman

Teaching generally dominated by women and a lot of the time they were secondary earners. However no real data on it. So who knows.

These days no appetite for strike action no matter what gender.

This is in reply to 2011bc.

Won't let me quote you.

Bobtheman

doc_17

The way the SEC treat people leaves me in no doubt as to why they are struggling to recruit.

Bobtheman

Im going to play it by ear. See what they offer. I have no issues walking away if it's not worth my while.

Landers11

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118943750#Comment_118943750

I am the same. Is it mid May when they let people know?

Bobtheman

I think it could be slightly later even. Like around the 23rd. It's nuts. They guarantee you nothing but you must guarantee them to be free most of June.

Yeah right

spurious

If you are willing to do it and only available up to a certain date, I would email them and tell them now.

They can try fit you in to a centre that suits and hopefully avoid you refusing a position with very little time left (which really pisses them off).

Treppen

In fairness they always leave appointment very very late....

doc_17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118945176#Comment_118945176

It does but there are no consequences to doing that. I applied for it for years and was never called. One year I got a call on the Friday school finished asking me to take a late call up as someone must have dropped off. I did it, applied again the next year but didn’t get it. I stopped applying then. I got a call again the next year and told them no way and asked why I didn’t get it the previous year and they wouldn’t/couldn’t tell me.

The story was that if you let them down that was that and you wouldn’t get it again. But I know a lady who took it the odd year, didn’t the next year, and kept doing that. She was called every year and got a LC Centre until the end of June.

Bobtheman

It's a ludicrous situation. Make yourself available 3 weeks but we might only pay you five days??

Landers11

I wonder which would be best. To ring them and tell them I would like to finish on a certain date or can't do a particular da or just wait and see what I get.

Random sample

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118949078#Comment_118949078

I would send an email. They have all the information then and know what they are working with. If you wait to see what you get you may be letting them down unnecessarily.

Alex86Eire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118934868#Comment_118934868

I find it very odd that your friends have told you younger members of staff aren't examining/correcting. Most friends and colleagues of mine in their 20's will either correct or superintend or both every year. As LPTs we need the extra income.

spurious

Well I am not going to name the schools, but I will say they are in two Leinster ETBs.

I am well aware of what it was like as a part-timer. Indeed I need the income even more now.

Why are the SEC having such trouble in Dublin? I don't know, I would have thought with higher mortgages/rent people would need the money more.

Alex86Eire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118951654#Comment_118951654

Ah its only two schools. I assumed you had meant a wider group.

spurious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118955229#Comment_118955229

It's 2 ETBs, not two schools, but anyway, for some reason, the younger teachers are not interested in those schools, preferring holidays. I can't blame them really, if they are not too stuck for money. It's not a choice I would ever have made if I did not have to..

Bananaleaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118956573#Comment_118956573

Work in a school where no young teachers care to do it either.

Does anyone have the rates for petrol that were paid last year or year before? I would hope that the rate will rise in line with the increased fuel costs so if anyone has the rates handy from last year could they post them up please?

Random sample

It depends on engine size, I think it’s around 44 cent per km for 2000 cc.

dory

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118980302#Comment_118980302

Same. The younger teachers in my school haven't travelled for the last few years. They're absolutely making up for lost time. None would do the orals over Easter. It was all us elder lemons. I'm meant to be doing the superintending but I have a thing one weekend , can't collect that Sunday, so will probably now have to pull out.

Hontou

Just received the email from the SEC stating I have to make myself available until the 28th of June and they will send details of the school and days in early May.

My son is doing the Leaving Cert this year and I informed them of that when I applied. Presumably I will get a Junior Cert position then this year, which finishes on Monday 20th of June? Why do they ask the question on the form otherwise?

Bobtheman

Generally that's what happens. You should not get LC

Bobtheman

Can I ask if collection fee for boxes is taxable? Presumably?

Random sample

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118989703#Comment_118989703

Would that not just mean you won’t be sent to his school, rather than you can’t supervise any leaving cert exams?

Bobtheman

No i think it means you don't get that exam incase you might leak but I could be wrong

Landers11

Got the email too. My first time going for it. Any idea of when I should expect to hear what dates I will be working?

Treppen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118951029#Comment_118951029

Maybe it depends on the school/demographic, I don't know any of the younger teachers doing either. It's changed slightly in that most of these teachers from 20-30 are living (have to live!) at home with the folks so not under pressure for rent. They seem at bit more discerning than previous years, none of them are hanging around for short hour and hoc contracts during school term either. If it's not happening they're off to Dubai or elsewhere once their droichead is complete.

Once the new Leaving Cycle comes in I reckon there's going to be less pressure to find as many markers, especially as it's being streamlined with online marking and shorter exam papers.

I actually found the invigilating fairly full on, people think you just go in and dish out the papers, but there was quite a bit too it and would want a fairly diligent head on your shoulders (not to mention fighting with the post office to take your bag).

Treppen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118989758#Comment_118989758

Every penny has to be taxable.

It's a bit of an anomaly, you're considered a contractor under SEC. But yet they pay you like an employee.

I'd say the numbers applying would rocket up if you were allowed to file your own returns 🤣

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118990738#Comment_118990738

I found it terribly boring. At times it can be stressful at times for various reasons. Im waiting to see what exactly they offer.

I enjoy teaching but im also bored with it. Superintending is quite boring too.