30k speed limits for all urban areas on the way

Flinty997

Incidentally I note that the park no longer comes up on most route planners I've tried recently.

Was trying to plan a bus/walk journey for someone and it avoided the park entirely. Same with trying send someone a route to something actually in the park.

The only one that worked was one that for hiking where you pick your own waypoints.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789806#Comment_118789806

Just took a look and you're right. Happy days!

Apparently it wouldn't take too long to bring this in

https://twitter.com/ciarancannon/status/1503733316486569986?s=20&t=vdpZvBiAFd7jQd2U_k7fxg

Flinty997

Hiding the park in maps...well that will certainly hide it from people commuting through it every day. And be very useful for tourists and people who don't know where it is.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118790119#Comment_118790119

True, only way to fix the commuting through it is to remove the through access

For tourists, you can still navigate to a destination within the park, feel free to test it out for yourself

magicbastarder

whoever has rewritten the guidance on google maps needs a smack. it's perverse:

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118789795#Comment_118789795

interesting, but i'm curious about some of their conclusions, e.g.

The researchers found that vehicles were two times more likely to obey the speed limit at locations with higher posted speed limits set at 50 mph or 55 mph compared to the base case of less than 50 mph, and four times more likely to obey when the posted speed limit was between 60 and 70 mph.

well, duh. 'the number of illegal murders dropped after murder was made legal'.

they also seem to have limited their data collection for unknown reasons:

Speed data was collected in daylight hours and in fair weather conditions using hidden pavement sensors. Large vehicles, such as trucks, and cars traveling too close together were excluded. Cars traveling less than 10 mph of the posted speed or greater than 20 mph of the posted speed limit, known as speed outliers, were also excluded.

they don't state what sort of roads were studied. also, it states 'statistically significant' changes but the article linked makes no attempt to explain how much of a difference, and how much it varied by speed limit change. and they make the claim that fatal injuries increased - just how many fatalities happened on 12 roadway segments that there were enough fatalities to be statistically useful? maybe i should avoid driving in montana, it sounds dangerous.

Flinty997

When I last tried it, it had me drive to a gate and walk the rest of the way.

Today it's hit and miss. Often doing bizarre routes having me drive crazy circular routes, then drive through the park the longest way possible. Instead of going in at the nearest gate. Sometimes it has me stopping on Chesterfield Ave and walking the rest of the way. Then sometimes it works properly depending on starting location.

I wonder has someone made a couple of the gates marked as closed or something.

Flinty997

Someone having fun with it anyway.

magicbastarder

i was wondering if the roundabout nearest the castleknock gate has been accidentally marked as no throughway.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118790338#Comment_118790338

Something very weird about it anyway.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118790290#Comment_118790290

Was the first research study Google turned. I know there are others. They are generally very specific to where they are. Often lower speed limits have no effect because enforcement remains non existent.

The point is don't assume things are always intuitive or simple.

The only way to know for sure is measure before and after.

People should always check media and "official" sources. Often there is no data backing up their statements.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118790338#Comment_118790338

Nope, just need to set a waypoint in the park

Flinty997

The logic being if you are using GPS to find a route to the park or something in it, you mostly likely already be in it. I see.

Unrealistic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787980#Comment_118787980

"As a driver, I'm happy to wait for cyclists to come past me on the inside. Because I'd prefer to be delayed and hit someone, than insist on right of way and hit someone even if its their fault.

Indeed I've had that happen a cyclist going full pelt up the inside with wands marking their lane, not paying attention, and not seeing my indicator and I had no visibility of them until it was too late. Before the wands I would have moved tight to the kerb to block undertaking cyclists before making a turn."

Genuine question: if you are driving a car and doing a left turn that involves crossing over a cycle lane on your left that is going straight ahead, do you really believe that you have right of way over someone on a bike already in that cycle lane? If you do, what is your basis for that belief?

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118779998#Comment_118779998

Was it a Deliveroo cyclist?

https://twitter.com/duncanidm/status/1503773716433575939?s=21

Unrealistic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118775430#Comment_118775430

So @patrickbrophy18 I take it we can dismiss this ridiculous statement as being nothing more than a figment of your imagination then?

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791463#Comment_118791463

Same as turning into across any lane of traffic, you check it's safe to do so.

But there are limits to what you can do. You have finite vision and reactions. There are physical limitations to lines of sight and predictability.

If you cycle flat out in an area where there are lots of pedestrians and one steps out in front of you, you'll never be able to stop in time. There are limits to your stopping distance and reactions. This is why it's a bad idea to filter or undertake at inappropriate speeds beyond your ability to stop safely.

No one's immune to physics.

Unrealistic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791610#Comment_118791610

So you are no longer asserting that you have right of way? I'm asking because it seems to be widely held belief among a large number of drivers. It's a misunderstanding of the rules of the road that the RSA really needs to address it seems to me.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791629#Comment_118791629

Maybe you'll quote what specific "law" you're inferring to.

"...A cyclist may pass to the left of a vehicle unless the vehicle is indicating to turn left and there is a reasonable expectation that the vehicle will commence the turn before the cyclist reaches the vehicle..."

patrickbrophy18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791579#Comment_118791579

Nope, it is common knowledge that slowing cars to make them less attractive and encourage cycling is their primary objective. The rest of the comment was my opinion on this objective which I am perfectly entitled to.

I don't have to explain myself to you or anyone else.

Unrealistic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791651#Comment_118791651

If you are going to reference "law" and post something in quotes you could at least quote some actual legislation rather than lifting text from some anonymous randomer's boards.ie post from a few years back.

It's too late at night to go digging into the Road Traffic Acts but I will offer these from the Rules of the Road:

You may overtake on the left when:

Traffic in both lanes is moving slowly but traffic in the left-hand lane is moving more quickly than the right-hand lane – for example, in slow moving stop/start traffic conditions.

Changing traffic lanes

You must give way to traffic already in the lane into which you are moving.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791805#Comment_118791805

I didn't say I was referencing law. I asked you to reference law. Deliberately Law.

My text is derived from https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/cycling/cycling_offences.html

However as a cyclist you cannot overtake on the inside if the vehicle you intend to overtake:

Is signalling an intention to turn to the left and will move to the left before you overtake it

Ironically you're asserting the right of way supersedes safety to my comment advocating the opposite. This in a conversation about road design/cycle lane being flawed as its currently being implemented. But also taking the lane can be safer then staying left in the cycle lane. This is why the law about mandatory cycle lanes was revoked.

More than one-half of accidents to cyclists occur at junctions. 80% are related to turning against or crossing the path of other vehicles

At junctions cycle tracks 3.4 times more dangerous than using road

We need to fix the problem of poor design.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791793#Comment_118791793

Could you give any specific example of the “numerous officials” from the Greens that you heard on the radio setting out this position please?

patrickbrophy18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791939#Comment_118791939

I don't set out to bookmark any podcasts of radio interviews which I've heard over the years for later citation, especially ones where the subject matter is inconveniencing cars. That would be bordering on obsessive. I try to avoid naming politicians as much as possible on these threads. So, no names, no lawsuits. So, cut the sanctimony.

markpb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792338#Comment_118792338

I heard on a radio/podcast/bus shelter once that FF want to build a nuclear reactor in Ballsbridge because Micheál Martin wants to annoy Mark Zuckerberg. Don't ask me for any kind of proof that I didn't dream this up last night, that's your problem!

Flinty997

If you need proof. If like to see the enforcement statistics of the current 30kmph zones vs higher speed zone to see if they are actually being enforced the same.

Seth Brundle

I thought this might be apt for the discussion :-)

https://twitter.com/SafeCyclingEire/status/1058786458251739137

Flinty997

Better chance in that than getting a ticket here.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792338#Comment_118792338

So it didn't happen then. Gotcha.