What part-if any-should Ireland play in the defence of Ukraine if Russia invades?

Piollaire

Make a donation to help clean up the bloody mess

https://crisisrelief.un.org/t/ukraine

indioblack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118509864#Comment_118509864

Is that voiceover the actor Patrick Allen?

y0ssar1an22

should it not be zero as a non-nato member?

if it happens, our donation will be giving the US the use of shannon

Send on the Army. They would fight the **** out of it from 9 to 3pm except fridays and wednesdays they are half days so down tools.

It would be over in a week flat as they have bigger fights to deal with!

growleaves

Er nothing.

Lol at the advice to ask Germany to stop equivocating on the matter.

Newsflash: Germany have been attempting to expand eastwards for over a century - WWI, WII, Cold War

Harryd225

I can’t see our neutrality lasting even another 20 years tbh, you can already see the Irish people being brainwashed by the media with this anti Russian anti Putin rhetoric, as if Putin/Russia has done or is doing anything worse than the USA or the UK has done in the last 20 years, in fact they haven’t done anything nearly as bad, maybe what I need is a good invasion and a few hundred thousand dead Ukrainian civilians to finally put the Russians on par with the Americans but for the moment I’m just not seeing it.

Although I do see it when I watch sky or BBC news or read articles on Russia, although I can’t blame RTÉ or virgin media for any of this really as they are basically just regurgitating the information from those mainstream sources and also their opinions and how they portray the situations is just another regurgitation.

The western media portrays the world situation like a marvel superhero movie, one side is good, one side is evil, mainly because the media we watch is largely controlled by one of the sides involved.

Gatling

So it's all propaganda ...

Unlike the rt and Sputnik shills

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118515506#Comment_118515506

No it’s just one side of the story? It makes sense for British and Americans to go along with it so I don’t blame them but the Irish should really open their minds to this more.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118515519#Comment_118515519

So Russia doesn't have 130+000 soldiers, tanks, heavy artillery.amphibious assault vessels ,long and medium range missles on Ukraines borders

Danzy

We could call out Germany for it's actions.

Today they blocked Estonia from delivering Artillery pieces to The Ukraine.

If you were in Moscow now, you'd be saying to Putin that Germany will mitigate any sanctions or push back against an invasion from the EU.

This will just be today's example.

We won't because it is Germany, they call the shots in the EU and are economically dominant.

Germany can't really complain if there is an invasion, they are washing their hands of it.

Always the money with these guys to quote Joe Pesci.

Danzy

Crimea is not long a part of the Ukraine.

It's also nearly all Russian. Population wise.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497855#Comment_118497855

Military can do nothing because of our Triple Lock which Russia have a veto over.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118514643#Comment_118514643

Certainly appears Germany loses the run of itself when it comes to the vast plains of fertile soil to the East.

Last time they helped Moscow push West turned out a right pain in the proverbial.

This thread is all only theoretical.

It's a valid point to say that the attitude from Berlin is going to be given as an example that Moscow will only face a short price and not a steep one.

I suppose we won't have to wait too long to find out

https://www.thejournal.ie/russia-missile-test-south-west-coast-ireland-5660829-Jan2022/

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118510972#Comment_118510972

For the very same reason Kennedy got annoyed when Cubans decided to host some soviet soldiers and missiles.

patnor1011

This is to an extent old and reliable scenario how to get top dollar for old military surplus material.

When you replace your toys with new shiny toys why not to invent some scary scenario and ship all junk you need to get rid of to some unfortunate recipient who may want to try it (to justify spending in case population get curious what happened to the money).

Happened way too often and in so many places. Now it is Ukraine turn to accept this "help" which will have to be repaid later anyway.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118515767#Comment_118515767

That's a new one.

Stay well **** clear if any sense.

maestroamado

I think EU pretty well redundant on this... The only conversation I see is between US and Russia... I think EU pretty Compromised... The Americans boss us around and we say thanks... Also we need the gas... We not in a good spot...

Looks like the Russians are coming, whether we want them to or not.

“Russia to conduct missile tests in Irish-patrolled waters 240km off south-west coast”

https://jrnl.ie/5660829

Harryd225

I really don’t think we should get involved in a conflict we don’t understand or know the real story of what’s going on, only those highly involved in the conflict will know that (or at least have a fair idea) all we know is the situation from the eyes of one side through the media we watch which is largely controlled by one side of the conflict.

Although I am convinced when the time comes when it becomes useful for the western powers for us to drop our neutrality they will easily manipulate our government and population that doing so is in our best interest.

landofthetree

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118515963#Comment_118515963

Russia needs the revenue from the gas as well.

maestroamado

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118516807#Comment_118516807

Of course they do... my point really was that America/Russia are doing the talking and Europe kinda left out... pawns in the game...

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118515711#Comment_118515711

What should we do?

Dig out the wodka to greet our new Russian overlords.

Bet no one saw that coming.

I'm just going to hang on to my coffee and watch it all unfold. It's going to be good. (I imagine our "leaders" are on high alert, sure none of them want to become the next Archduke Franz Ferdinand)

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118515963#Comment_118515963

The bulk of our imported gas comes from the North Sea and Norway via Great Britain. The rest comes from the Kinsale gas field. That and the Irish goverment has signed up to ban new applications licences for gas extractions in Irish waters. And then there's the greens looking to put a stop to any existing exploration and extraction licences for gas in Irish waters

I think they may have to revisit that one.

vriesmays

Ireland won't accept refugees from a Christian country.

AyeGer

Micheal Martin needs to ring Vlad and tell him to stop all this nonsense.. ah..going forward..

maestroamado

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118517153#Comment_118517153

remember when the other fellow came to Shannon with a bottle of vodka...

AyeGer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118517179#Comment_118517179

Too pissed to get off the plane or even worse not bothered enough to get off.