F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

mickdw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119436771#Comment_119436771

To a point you are correct. But it's a dangerous stance to take - publicly snubbing a large works team before you have sat your ass in an F1 car.

I'm not saying he shouldn't have gone to McLaren but it was short sighted to publicly humiliate the Renault company like that.

You might say there is no loyalty but at the same time, nobody knows who will have the best car in 5 years time so to potentially narrow your options in any way is silly stuff for a young lad to be doing.

Alonso and flavio will be on a beach somewhere retired in 5 years time and won't give a f*CK about Piastri.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119437732#Comment_119437732

I thought his statement was just being legally clear where he stood. Alpine were trying to pressure him into driving for them. They probably wanted to collapse any talks he might have been holding with other teams. I did t see it as deliberately humiliation. Rather I saw it as being explicit about thr fact that he jad not signed for them and as things stood, would not be driving for them.

Contracts mean naff all in F1 so he probably had to make clear to Mclaren that he wasn't going to leave them in a sticky situation by turning around and signing for Alpine.

Nobody seems to be recognising that Alpine tried to sabotage any negotiations he might be having and bully him into meekly accepting their drive. Bad behaviour from Alpine.

Nobody looks good in all this, bit I don't see any one bad guy either.

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119437228#Comment_119437228

Because, as I sit here at 7:15pm Saturday evening. McLaren have not actually done anything. All we have are journalists quoting "sources". No statements from anyone bar Ricciardo posting on social media before Hungary stating he's staying. Zak did say he'd look for exit plauses but that was months ago. The current official line at McLaren is that Lando Norris and Daniel Ricciardo will have their contracts honoured next year. If that changes, then we can talk about how they are looking.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119438363#Comment_119438363

Yeah McLaren have kept it all very civilised. When Ricciardo wanted to stay they gave him public backing. They've always publicly backed him throughput his struggles during the 2 seasons.

Now there's a seat Ricciardo might be very interested in, I'd say they're delighted. But they haven't aired any dirty laundry in public. Textbook performance by McLaren.

thefa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119436980#Comment_119436980

I get your point and agree to an extent but George Russell is such a bad example to use.

Like what’s the alternate reality where it works out better for him? Goes to RB instead of Perez for 2021 and be in Max’s team or go to the mess of Ferrari instead of Sainz that year? Maybe he wins a race a bit earlier but he’s got an opportunity to become the number one driver for Merc when Hamilton is gone (not happening at RB) at arguably the best organized team (which Ferrari are nowhere near).

After only half a season at Merc he has as many career podiums as Norris, another guy with clear talent but who started off and is still in an upper midfield car that is a distance outside the top 3 teams.

Russell’s loyalty to and patience with Mercedes is paying off.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119439560#Comment_119439560

Russell's loyalty paid off because the carrot was Mercedes and the stick was Williams.

For Piastri, the stick is Williams but the carrot is only Alpine. Why bother with Williams when he could just jump straight into the mclaren instead. The end result is similar but without doing 2 years at Williams

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119437330#Comment_119437330

Alpine are the only one losing out. Mclaren and Ricciardo did a good bit of business.

They will not lose out if Ricciardo performs well for them assuming of course that he gets the Seat. Now if he joins Alpine and is still performing as he is at Mclaren then that's bad for both Alpine and Ricciardo more for Ricciardo than Alpine as his F1 career could be over. Let's hope it does not come to that. F1 would be a sadder place without Ricciardo in it.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119439836#Comment_119439836

I'd agree with that except the last part. As Ricciardo is performing now, f1 wouldn't be much poorer without him. It would be better to roll tte dice on a rookie than hold on to a driver who was once very good.

I don't get attached to drivers in that way. For some it's like an old shirt in the wardrobe which you know you'll never wear again but can't bring yourself to get rid of. The likes of Kimi in the last 3 or 4 years were just taking up space and people thought they'd miss them. But nobody really misses kimi now.

Same with Ricciardo. I hope he can refind form. But if he doesn't and loses his seat, that's fair enough because F1 should be for the best current drivers

guyfo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119439560#Comment_119439560

Well George is the same age as Max and Charles and 2 years older than Lando. How do their careers so far stack up against each other?

George really should have been moved up earlier, he himself said 3 years at Williams was too much. If he was a free agent rather than tied to Merc I dont see why he wouldn't have been snapped up by RB given their driver issues.

thefa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119439646#Comment_119439646

Not the point made by the poster though that I disagreed with, ie. hasnt worked out for Russell. Piastri has a lower prize alright with Alpine or McClaren so will have to work his way up.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119440133#Comment_119440133

He’s been in the sport less time than those two though, particularly Verstappen. Verstappen is probably the best driver at the moment and has had to be patient and have a team built around him to get to the point where he’s won one and looks like he’ll be amongst the favorites for a few years to come.

There’s so much luck, timing, development that need to go right for even the very top drivers to mount serious title challenges. Given the competition, I don’t think it’s realistic for even some of the top talents to expect to be in contention in the very early years. There’s some exceptions like Hamilton but those are once every blue moon.

And again, even if he had gone to RB it doesn’t necessarily improve his chances at a championship with Max there. Not a hope he hops into last years car and outperforms Max. Probably wins a couple of races and RB win the constructors but what good is that if he’s going to be Verstappen’s shadow for the next few years. I don’t see the point in winning a few more races early on if it hinders his chance at a championship.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119440248#Comment_119440248

Russell's 'loyalty' was completely self serving. He got his seat at Mercedes and Hamilton will likely only be around for a couple of seasons.

Even with all Mercedes problems, it's still a better car than Alpine. And given their track records as constructors, Mercedes is likely to get back to the front where Alpine is likely to languish around the midfield. Russell's 'loyalty' is just smart business in exactly the same way Piastri's lack of 'loyalty'

thefa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119441484#Comment_119441484

So having loyalty but expecting future benefits from it make it completely self serving?

Thanks for clarifying robot George 😂

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119442229#Comment_119442229

Yeah. There's no such thing as loyalty in F1. There suit themselves and if it coincides with loyalty, it looks like loyalty. The George Russell example looks like loyalty because ehe had the prospect of being world champion in one move so he stuck it out at Williams.

There's absolutely no point in Piastri d1cking around at Williams for a few years so he can get a drive in Alpine to start his career and hopefully move to a top team. He's absolutely right to move to a midfield team and begin his career now instead of mucking about and wasting 2 years at Williams.

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119442583#Comment_119442583

This will age well if all of a sudden Williams makes some serious in roads moving up the grid. 😋

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119442964#Comment_119442964

To quote the Spartans: 'If'

muckwarrior

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119443708#Comment_119443708

To quote Murray Walker: 'If is F1 spelled backwards'

rock22

McLaren are now, indirectly putting a lot of pressure on Ricciardo.

Even if legally he has all the cards, and that is the rumours, he faces a choice of accepting a payout to leave or staying with a team where no one wants him around for another year.

I imagine he is exploring options but the only openings seem to be back to Alpine or a move to Williams and it is not clear he is wanted in either team.

If he does decide to stay at McLaren then, imagining the atmosphere that might exist there, his performance would be almost guaranteed to deteriorate.

Either way a sad end to his F1 career.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119443851#Comment_119443851

Actually that is incorrect. 'if' is an I and on F.

F1 is an F and a 1 so Murrey Walker was wrong.

There is nothing similar about them at all except for the F.

Now if you said 1F. Nope that does not work either thats just a 1 and an F.

So ye that never made sense that sentence from Murrey Walker

This is it

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119444207#Comment_119444207

Thank God you cleared that up for us 😂

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119444207#Comment_119444207

jebus!

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119444153#Comment_119444153

Either way a sad end to his F1 career.

It's not over yet.

He could go back to Renault/Alpine be rejuvenated there and rediscover his mojo.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119444218#Comment_119444218

hope so

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119444212#Comment_119444212

Your welcome lol.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119444221#Comment_119444221

Me too.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119444231#Comment_119444231

hes a bloody good driver, and a funny fcuker, it would be a shame to lose him from the grid

flazio

Yep, under some real serious pressure there.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cg_Q-hPurnt/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Also if anyone wants to over read the fact that there's oranges in his hat then go for it.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119444247#Comment_119444247

...that orange fcuker!

Busi_Girl08

The green floaties in the background are clearly a hint that Daniel is moving to Aston Martin

/joke

dulpit

Suppose for Ricciardo there's an element of chicken involved. He can stay and drive with McLaren next year. Nobody is likely to be happy with that. He can stay until McLaren pay him off, and then go somewhere else. Risk here is that McLaren delay to the point where there's no open seats left. Or he can give up next year's seat and negotiate a drive for next year, which will be substantially less money that he's currently guaranteed from McLaren...

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119446350#Comment_119446350

He's got to be keen to get a drive at Alpine. He isn't performing at Mclaren and I really doubt that's going to change next year. But he did well (better at the very least) at Renault.

Even though the car is probably not as good as the mclaren, he can't drive the mclaren. But he might be able to drive the Alpine and rescue his career. He's finished if he doesn't drive well next year, whichever team he drives for.