F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

Vicxas

There was talks about changing the track, like moving it onto the reclaimed land or removing the Chicaine at the end of the tunnel.

eviltimeban

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119143078#Comment_119143078

A chicane that didn't used to be there in the first place!

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119143056#Comment_119143056

I didn't know they'd already made numerous changes. If it's still this unsuitable after numerous changes, then it's yome to say thanks and shame hands with Monaco.

I wouldn't have a problem with a minimum of 2 pitstops. It's a decent attempt to address one of the many problems with the race. I wonder would it be deemed a 'gimmick' by the ones who usually oppose changes?

It would definitely create some chances for different strategies but it's still a terrible, unsuitable track. There's no getting away from that fact.

I really hope they fail to strike a deal and it falls off the calendar. For all the talk about how necessary it is, do you know who would miss it? Absolutely nobody.

McFly85

Monaco needs at least 1 but ideally 2 genuine overtaking opportunities to be considered viable, which would probably mean a significant redesign.

I genuinely think Monaco would be more desperate than F1 to have the race, so maybe it’s time to call it a day and see in future if they can improve it(the break would probably help traditionalists accept the changes too.)

If they can’t significantly alter the track maybe then they’ll just have to stick to some sort of heritage racing.

duploelabs

The demands and abilities of the car, as well as the drivers and teams, and the viewers all evolve. The tracks are a lot slower to, and some don't, but with all those factors taken into account I believe Monaco has to change. And if it doesn't, then they won't race there, there are plenty of 'untouchable' tracks in the past who have suffered the same like the nordschliefe

PsychoPete

I get the whole tradition of Monaco but personally I'd love to see it swapped for Nurburgring or Hockenheim. I think there should be a German grand prix

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119143248#Comment_119143248

Nobody except every single Formula anything driver. F1 isn't a "made for TV" motorsport. It's a motorsport that occasionally looks good on TV.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119145339#Comment_119145339

That's a nice idea, but doesnt redlect the corporate reality.the drivers are a tiny minority. I was thinking about fans. The vast majority of fans wouldn't miss Monaco. They would oppose dropping it but they wouldn't miss it once its gone. Did anyone say they wished we were going to Monaco in 2020 when it was off the calendar due to covid? I'd actually bet lots of fans forgot it was off the calendar that year. If it's how the drivers feel, let them do their own race independently, just don't make it part of the championship.

Overall though, I agree with you that nobody except maybe drivers would actually miss it.

Cool_CM

And now Peter Bayer is gone too

https://www.fia.com/news/fia-announces-departure-peter-bayer-and-interim-appointment-shaila-ann-rao

rock22

@El_Duderino 09 That's a nice idea, but doesnt redlect the corporate reality.the drivers are a tiny minority....

If it's how the drivers feel, let them do their own race independently, just don't make it part of the championship.

Are you serious??

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119146246#Comment_119146246

Which part are you referring to? The first part is true, the second part wasn't a serious suggestion. The drivers can miss Monaco all they want. The fans wouldn't miss it one bit once it's gone.

sam t smith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119146246#Comment_119146246

They could race with toy cars.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119146454#Comment_119146454

They can if they like. They do a football match around the monaco race.

Dont be at yourself

The thing about Monaco is that it's incredible to see drivers put it on the limit, but because it's so hard to overtake (and easy to defend), they only ever have to do so on Saturday. Alonso driving 4s off the pace is a greet illustration of that.

If we want to make Sunday interesting, we have to look at time trial format. Top 10 go out 5s apart and have them drive on the limit to see who sets the fastest time over a series of laps.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147516#Comment_119147516

Sure. Another sport should totally do that.

It could be a bit like the one-at-a-time quali format that F1 tried, everyone hated and they dropped.

Instead of bending over backwards to find a way to make Monaco bearable, wouldn't it make more sense to do the humane thing and let it go? F1 has changed and it just isn't suited to Monaco anymore. You know, 'It's not you, it's me'.

rock22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119146318#Comment_119146318

@El_Duderino 09 "That's a nice idea, but doesnt redlect the corporate reality.the drivers are a tiny minority...."

Because you are suggesting that their opinions could be equated with any random 20 fans opinions. That is why it is ridiculous.

@El_Duderino 09 "If it's how the drivers feel, let them do their own race independently, just don't make it part of the championship."

So the poster here should have more say that the drivers and let the drivers go play with Dinky cars if they want?

That's why i questioned if you are serious.

I am not a great fan of the spectacle of the Monaco GP. But it does test the drivers and teams in a way that other circuits don't. Driving requires maximum concentration for the whole race and stamina and car control always feature in the results. This year the red flag came at a good time and allowed the drivers a much needed break.

One of the great features of GP racing , at least historically, is the variety of surfaces and tracks they raced on. It was a truly There seems to be a view today that this is s simply a tv program for entertainment not a serious sport with the teams and athletes setting the rules and regulations.

If Monaco is dropped then what we are likely to see is a replacement from the most recent dictator/tyrant to Sportwash his regime. If so the future of F1 is fairly grim

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147688#Comment_119147688

Then there were 3 points. The first of which is that F1 should be enjoyed in person, not on TV. But the reality is that TV is the way the vast, vast majority of people watch F1. Essentially saying 'I suppose you had to be there' doesnt work for F1 because the money comes from the TV revenue. What you said doesn't reflect the commercial reality of the situation.

On the point of going to ANOTHER dictatorship. Yeah, F1 is a grubby business. As an F1 fan you have to accept that you're contributing to that grubbyness. Going to a tax dodging country is less bad, but it's not doing good either.

eviltimeban

I like Monaco. There's plenty of races on the calendar that have little to no overtaking. This year's Monaco was actually really good, it was won and lost in the pit stops, and again plenty of other races over the years have been the same.

Monaco looks great. It sounds great. It is actually one race I'd love to go to - but only if I was going 1st class, VIP all the way. :-) It represents the fantasy of F1 right there - the playboy drivers of the 70s, the yachts, the money, the glamour. That was a big part of the appeal of F1 back in the day, it was escapism from the day to day. I know we've moved on from that, as times change, so it's nice to have a slight reminder of that era.

You go in knowing it's not going to be a great race. It's just there. It's on. You can do other things while you watch it (though I was glued to this one). It's like listening to ambient music. :-)

(personal note: I was in Monaco once, on holidays as a child in the 80s. I remember seeing a Testarossa (my favourite Ferrari as a kid) on the road and thinking "wow...").

muckwarrior

Overtaking is just one metric of what makes a race good. Yes, it's probably the single most important one, but it's not the be all and end all. If I could only watch 10 races on the calendar, I'd still choose Monaco as one of them even though I know there'll be little or no overtaking. Maybe I'm in the minority, maybe I'm not.

Anyone know where to find the TV ratings of all the races?

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147976#Comment_119147976

The tv ratings would be interesting. How many potential fans tune into Monaco because its the most publicised race, watch a montage about drivers from 50 years ago and then see a boring race and think 'what a waste of a Sunday?'.

Being told its better in person isn't really the selling point some peoppe seem to think it is. Its about as inspiring as sitting next to someone, boring the arse off you about skiing in Andora and telling you "you simply must go, dawling".

mickdw

There are other routes around Monaco that could be used. If it got one straight long enough to produce a reasonable overtaking chance, the track would then be quite good.

I'd like to see the inside kerb taken away on the turn after the hairpin. Would make for a faster entry there and more difficult final corner before the tunnel.

LIGHTNING

I'd say make it a non-championship round and let them race karts.

duploelabs

https://youtu.be/9mI_5d12n7s

Chain bear goes through some great options here for Monaco

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148262#Comment_119148262

That could be fun. Those who want to watch thst could do so. The only reason to watch Monaco is because its part of the championship story. Its a terrible track but you need to sit through it if you want to know the full basic story of the season.

The stories of epic parties back 50 years ago in the 70, don't make the current race any less bad. The stories can still be told if the race isn't on the calendar anymore.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148247#Comment_119148247

I wouldn't be surprised if they're forced to make some big changes and pay the normal fee to keep the track on the calendar. I wouldn't be opposed to changes, but they'd need to be fairly major to turn that track into a decent race, like keeping a couple of the current corners and basically making a completely new track. But if you're doing that, they might as well go to a more suitable track anyway and leave monaco in the past.

thefa

Monaco has one of the best qualis and a unique feel. Hope it stays.

Delighted for Perez to get the win and new contract. Great story overcoming some of the adversity of the last 18 months. Good to see him in the title challenge but too much of a speed gap to Verstappen and LeClerc to see it lasting the season but hope I’m wrong.

donspeekinglesh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147976#Comment_119147976

Ratings are here: https://motorsportbroadcasting.com/2022/06/01/record-high-uk-audience-watch-indianapolis-500-live-on-sky/

(This site is well worth a follow if you've any interest in the ratings/broadcast side of things)

nf2k

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147516#Comment_119147516

Time trial really is the only solution. Keeps it on the calendar and keeps the iconic layout. And not just for the sake of keeping it, doing so with good reason. we have an interesting round that adds variety. Win win.

rock22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148426#Comment_119148426

Have you watched the TT in the IOM?

That's a time trial and overtaking is an important aspect of it. I cannot see anyway a time trial could work in Monaco as overtaking is almost impossible.

mickdw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149008#Comment_119149008

It's a short lap in Monaco. I don't see overtaking being an issue in a time trial format. Driver in front having an accident could be an issue though

flazio

2021:"Lewis hates Max, Max hates Lewis, the title rivalry is immense, grr argh, hate hate hate"

2022:

https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1532625634249146368?t=BgxvMZHaA1Gy_W_P0bnPjQ&s=19