Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2022 - No PM requests - See Mod note post #1

bullit_dodger

True they aren't free, that said, not -that- expensive :-) Check yourself......

Midsummer Renewables

E.g. a 5Kwhr battery, which you were quoted €4426.

Midsummer Renewables - €2333.50

So they are charging you €2000 to install it? Granted the midsummer price wouldn't include the installation cost, but it does include VAT which the supplier wouldn't pay for, so you can knock off another 10-15% off, or whatever VAT is these days on this stuff. So the profit margin that they have there is .... well, it's a lot.

Nahh, they are taking the micky there mate. Move on, you'll save yourself €5,000-6,000 euros (yeah, €5-6 thousand!) and get the same spec system elsewhere.

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319835#Comment_118319835

Midsummer doesn't include vat, only shows it at checkout.

bullit_dodger

Ahh, I stand corrected. Nevertheless ~€1800 (instead of €2200) to install a battery is still..... lets call it "pretty excessive". :-)

I know you know this graememk (but for glenbeighs benefit) installing a battery is like 45-60 mins work and involves installing 1x circuit breaker and lifting in a heavy box from the van! If that's €1800, I'm in the wrong game, heheh.

Nahh, you'll do well to give either the lads i sent in PM a call. The ones from Sligo or the Enniskillen folks. They'll see you right.

championc

Maybe people should get a battery LESS price first, get close to your €1k / 1kWp, and then ask about the cost of a battery.

You can still get close to €1k / 1kWp without a battery. Nothing to stop you adding it later.

Bif

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118316514#Comment_118316514

Thanks for that. Much appreciated. Now to go and play with it. I'm sure I will back with more questions!

poker--addict

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318382#Comment_118318382

I am not sure it is forum rules? The mods seem to be AWOL, or certainly have not engaged with the discussion on the ruleset. Its a community forum anyway is it not?

I will be more than happy to politely say if someone has left a good impression after install, or has quoted an insane amount (a statement of fact). Talking in circles about Enniskillen provider or Sligo provider, or the company with 8 in its name, or whatever is laughable and wouldn't stand up in court anyway as a defence if a company did take an issue with a boards comment.

bullit_dodger

The problem though poker is that when you have people voicing positive viewpoints, other people then feel that it's ok to start voicing negative viewpoints. Like "Really you found those guys good? I found them to be a bunch of cowboys!". The forum policy is somewhat annoying, but when I think about it......it's (probably) the lesser of two evils.

What you don't want is some active (this time not a pun) social media user on here kicking off about a supplier. If their comments were accurate, ok yeah, I (personally) feel that it's justified. Name & shame and all that, but what if it -wasn't- justified and the user was simply an unreasonable asshole, it would put the supplier in a tight spot. They could lose a ton of business, to the point of job losses. No matter what the supplier does, they couldn't win. They can't respond or say their side of the story without sounding petty/defensive, yet to do nothing may cost them their livelihood. Then there is the stubble fake accounts shelling good stories about how "good supplier x was" when the community have no way in knowing if there was even an install to begin with.

Nahh, as much as I dislike it, it's actually a good policy. Am I wrong? Dunno - its a hard one to call, so if it was a vote I'd say keep it the same. We all know who the jokers are.

MAULBROOK

I think we should keep it as it is, unlike Facebook it doesn't desend into a slagging match in 2 to 3 posts.

A Google docs page might be the answer. One line with the nessary details, thats all thats needed.

slave1

If any PV provider wanted to engage here then all they have to do is pay for it like lots of other companies. The amount of work referred by users on this forum is colossal, there was a time my Inbox was caving with PMs.

SouthWesterly

4 of us got SAAS in July. 2 were audited by seai on Monday.

All was good.

Bobeagleburger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324518#Comment_118324518

I think that would be a good idea too.

Some companies, both good and bad, are basically being named anyway, with "code" 😂

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327111#Comment_118327111

Unfortunately the lads I promote are a little harder to ID subtly. You would be in Cxxxer with this Energy System is a little obvious 🙄

Oh well.

championc

I know that you cannot slag off a company, as comments could be liableous, nor could you make a comment about another install as it could he heresay, but surely you can say that "xxx did a great job in installing my system" PROVIDED you have no affiliation with that company, and that you are receiving no benefit for the comment ?

Maybe a MOD can clarify this

DrPhilG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327600#Comment_118327600

Fully agree.

The Mods won't reply though. They've bailed out as far as I can see.

mrm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327600#Comment_118327600

But this whole discussion is straying from the original request by 6 for just listing the company names with the quotes received - just associated information with no recommendations whatsoever. The PMs are not for recommendations but for identification of the company who provided a particular quote. This information could be within the individual post and then the PMs could be used for recommendations of a particular company (after seeing who received their quote). I have some quotes but I cannot see anywhere who also got a quote from the company I am most interested in to allow me to PM for a recommendation.

We could all draw up our own shortlist of the MEAT companies from the posts, include regional restrictions with some companies. Surely this wont put the mods out (enough to activate them anyway😄)!

Anyhow on a totally unrelated note; anyone had an install completed by a Roscommon installer who goes by the name "Sa(5 letters - opposite of 'over')(3 letters - male offspring) Solar"? PM please.

slave1

As a Mod on a separate forum I can say I’m getting no reported posts since we went to the new Boards system so unless a mod chances across a post then it will easily slip by.

The naming of suppliers via “code” is a little sad though

mrm

A bit of jest really at the nonsense of a community forum that doesn't fully serve the purpose...that's the sad aspect. An alternative method to propose?

Aligning a name to a quote is not a recommendation, nor is it exposed to shilling. The thread could benefit greatly from this at no expense.

championc

For anyone interested in Solar as a Service, I found this article.

https://www.98fm.com/lifestyle/irish-company-installs-solar-panels-1166113

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329427#Comment_118329427

That's a nice paid for advert.

Ok got another quote for 8.2 kw with Eddie ,NO battery and what I think is NOT a hybrid invertor for 10,900...that's 24 panels...grant of 1800 to come off that ..am I right in saying that you NEED a hybrid inverter for to add a battery at a later stage ? Also they will fill out before the job the latest nc6 form for feed in tariff but ESB said I need the smart meter....even though I have a day and night meter which I think is compatible for sending kw to the grid.

..seems very professional with parts gaurentees and a full breakdown of labour and schematic diagrams and performance charts...is that a good quote ?

championc

So €9k for 8.2kWp ? Sounds reasonable enough. I think you should consider pushing for a hybrid inverter for the same price.

You can add a Sofar ME3000 Storage Inverter at a later stage onto which batteries would connect. And that can even be in a totally separate location to a Solar Inverter.

DrPhilG

Sorry if I missed the precious quote, but if its €9k for a system without battery, what is it if you add a basic 2.4kWp pylontech or similar?

It will increase your grant amount and then you can just sell the battery so you may end up better off.

Also since when do you need a smart meter to do an install? Avoid the smart meter like the plague.

slave1

OP mentioned selling back to the grid, hence Smart Meter

OP avoid the Smart Meter as Phil says, forget about selling back to the grid, look through various threads here as to why

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330795#Comment_118330795

Forget the smart meter for now, get a small battery added to that quote and see what the price is, remember there is an extra grant available for the battery. For that many panels make sure its a 6kw Inverter.

jebuz

First quote I've received in my solar quest from a local based company (Cork)

4.7kWp - 12 x Jinko 390 watt N type all black mono panels with 25 year full product warranty

SOFAR 5kW HYD 5500-EP single phase hybrid string inverter

2.4 kW Dyness Lithium Ion cartridge battery storage in expandable housing cabinet

MyEnergi EDDI water diverter

€7,500 after grant

Having read through these threads my first impression is it's a little on the high side but not outrageous. I'll continue gathering quotes but if anyone has any Cork based recommendations please PM. Thanks!

Can anybody send me a link as to why NOT to sell back to the grid as I cannot find the thread.

Thanks

slave1

Full thread here, right on the front page of the forum

PV Feed In Tariff — boards.ie - Now Ye're Talkin'

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118332192#Comment_118332192

The straight answer is we haven't a Fxxking clue because the government has given Fxck all valuable information. We are all in the dark so to speak

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118332176#Comment_118332176

Your spot on its good but over by about a grand I think.

CathalDublin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327048#Comment_118327048

Hmmm, have they been doing something they shouldn’t have been doing?

are they still in business? They seem to have dropped off the face of the earth since September.

They arranged my BER in my house in August, took over a month after it was completed to finally get told

[quote] “ I heard back regarding your ber, you are good to go for installation and reach the requirements for the PV Solar grant.”[/quote]

and they’ve totally blanked me since, I’ve had one response since on the 20th October which was a one liner.

[quote]”We apologise for the delay. We hope to complete your install within the next few weeks.”[/quote]

I’m only 30minutes from the guys house, so it’s not like I’m in the middle of nowhere and he’s dodging me because of that, definitely something dodgy, they won’t respond to me at all anymore.

I would warn anyone reading this to steer clear of them.

edit

added direct quotes from them

CathalDublin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329427#Comment_118329427

Old paid Advert, good luck getting them to actually do an install, answer the phone or even reply to an email.

SouthWesterly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118333741#Comment_118333741

I was chatting to him for an hour a few weeks ago. Seems they are out the door with work which would be the same from a cursory look at other posts regarding other companies mentioned in these threads

I'd say the audit was just luck of the draw. Both passed without issue.

The other 2 of us had our ber assessments done by different companies clarified by seai.

CathalDublin

Must be great to be so out the door your office staff can’t even respond to someone who they started the work for and who’s sent over all paperwork, etc.

”cowboys ted”

SouthWesterly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118334027#Comment_118334027

From what I gather sacha is on her own. Normally found a text to her got a response.

CathalDublin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118334042#Comment_118334042

Do you work for them?

Seriously I’ve called and emailed a couple times per week since 20th October, I think they maybe gone.

I’ve never come across a professional company in my life that you’d to text the receptionist to get a response, I wouldn’t be getting into that

SouthWesterly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118334066#Comment_118334066

Don't work for them. Sacha isn't the receptionist.

bullit_dodger

..... and this is exactly the reason why I think it's better to leave names out of it generally on the forums. Cathal, before you think I'm having a go at you, nope I'm not - and truth be told your not the first person to remark on that same experience if you read back through the forums. Then on the other side, you have many happy customers such as SouthWesterly, so it's obvious that they can be a bit hit/miss.

The problem of course is that 1 bad experience can massively flavor peoples mindset. Comments like "Cowboys ted", while it maybe 100% truthful, and (I've no reason to believe that it's not) it could be down to something as simple as having a few people out sick with covid...... or maybe it genuinely is the fact that their "useless". I've no real way in knowing, and I doubt anyone else can unless you work there.

I'm not a mod here, nor would I want to be :-), but probably best to stick to the mindset that we don't mention companies. Good or bad experience as this just tends to hinder more than help. Helping people analyse quotes or comment on options for installs helped many people here (incl me) . Don't see a reason why it can't continue to work

Just my $0.02

rushfan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118334042#Comment_118334042

I had the same, no problem getting an email response, scheduled call on Mon with "G". I've about 8 different quotes at this stage, it's getting confusing, but they're one of 2 that I'm seriously considering.

SouthWesterly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118334278#Comment_118334278

As bullit said, could well be staff out sick with Covid. 4 of us got a system done with them in kerry. None of us had any complaints. 2 were audited and passed so quality of work isn't in question.

G did mention to be getting parts was becoming an issue but I imagine everyone is finding that to be the case with production facilities effected with Covid. We already know chips are in short supply.

CathalDublin

@bullit_dodger the ”cowboys ted” is just a joke from father ted, I don’t think I mentioned the company name anyway.

but seriously I think I’m just gonna go the DIY route as I don’t see them ever actually completing it.

and now I just noticed my original published BER on seai site is gone but the new one they organised isn’t there either, not sure what the craic there is

CathalDublin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118334276#Comment_118334276

Sorry, what’s her role? her signature doesn’t have a job title and she seems to have previously done admin/reception

yankinlk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118334277#Comment_118334277

Have to agree here. Not picking on Cathal but he's a great example of someone rubbishing a company in multiple posts before they ever even visited him for install. People have zero patience and online bashing is just too damn easy.

Bobeagleburger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118335648#Comment_118335648

Very true.

DrPhilG

Another fella on the Facebook page just paid a deposit for a system priced at €12k when it should cost around €8k.

It's funny there are always a load of people defending the price gouging. A bit of digging and you usually find that they're either installers, or people who have been skinned in the past and are trying to justify it to themselves.

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118336199#Comment_118336199

The hauwei stuff, looking round the usual suspects tend to be more expensive.

Solis seems to really have cornered the market in Ireland.

For the backup box, that I'm assuming will run the house in a power outage, automatically, I'd value it at around 1-2k, as to get someone to come do it right with proper fail-safes and idiot proofing would be around that mark.

That still doesn't justify 15k before the grant...

bullit_dodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118334848#Comment_118334848

LOL - "Father Ted" is a personal favorite of mine - so I got the joke. All good buddie. No, you raise some good points Cathal, and as I said your actually not the first person to remark the same. I've no dealing there myself, so I can't remark with any 1st hand knowledge and I do feel for you too being in the situation that you are. Not good. My comments were more to the community at large, as you maybe aware their has been a debate going on here about naming companies. The thinking started off on the line

"Ohh well it can't be bad to remark on the positive ones, right?"

But even doing just the positive ones is a slippery slope and what can start out as a well meaning process can quickly transgress into "Why are you defending these guys? They're useless!" etc. We can get two different (legitimate) experiences from the same company.

In fact we can virtually guarantee that for EVERY supplier out there in the market (yes, every last one of them!) that we could find at least 1x customer who's had a bad experience with them be it on pricing, after sales service, damages caused by install, lack of comms, etc There's so many ways to let people down and fall through the cracks. It happens with the best.

That said, there are plenty of good reliable, hard working suppliers out there who'll give customers, myself included, a fair price and good service. i wish there was a better way in actively highlighting the ones to avoid (eagle eyed people will see what I did there) but PM's with personal recommendations are what we have, and it's working (somewhat)

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118336199#Comment_118336199

But its a premium product with premium inverter, premium panels, premium battery and the PREMIUM price guaranteed. Give me strength.

The bloke is a dope if he doesn't cancel the order.

irishchris

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118334027#Comment_118334027

I also got SAAS done last year and find them grand. Email Trudy as she will get things sorted generally if no joy from Sacha. Pm me for her email address if you need it.

Also did DIY route for my second array and if you feel competent at it then may be better option

necstandards

Yearly average consumption: ~4500kWh. EV on the way so estimating it will increase to ~9000kWh annually. Am confused as to go for a battery system or not. The EV should be parked at home most of the time (WFM), so thinking it will be charging during daylight hours on average. Any opinion on this or is my thinking really flawed?

Quotes so far:

bullit_dodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118340655#Comment_118340655

Nope your thinking isn't flawed at all necstandards. It's come up a few times. There's a couple of different viewpoints on it. I personally I don't think it's a clear cut answer for battery = "yes/no". With the EV, you have a good dump/storage for your production for this 6-7 months of the year when we get decent production in Ireland. This on the surface would suggest that you don't need one, makes sense to use the car for it.

However, when you start to think about it, there's a couple of questions you need to answer yourself, or at least think about. With a 6Kwp system, your going to be making on average 20+ Kwhr a day for 5 months of the year. Your current consumption is 4500kwhr/year, so let's call that and average of 12.5 Kwhr/day, but since it's summer light/heat (pumps) won't be on as much, so your average in summer is probably 10Kwhr/day. Then it's a question of will you be driving enough to consume that 10+ Kwhr every day. That's 350Km/week? If you are then I think a house battery is probably not needed. If on the other hand you don't do that kind of mileage then perhaps a 2.4Kwhr or a 5 Kwhr would help you self consume some more?

Otherwise you'll be exporting a fair bit and FIT, while not offically announced, is likely to be pittance.

• Comp 1 - Array is too small really to support an EV, and it's over priced.
• Company 2 - way over priced. All options
• Company 3 is the best quote in terms of value/money that you listed, but its still wiggle room there I'd say. I think I know the company.
• Company 4 crazy over priced.

You talk to those boys from Enniskillen?