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Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2022 - No PM requests - See Mod note post #1



  • Registered Users Posts: 974 ✭✭✭rushfan

    I had the same, no problem getting an email response, scheduled call on Mon with "G". I've about 8 different quotes at this stage, it's getting confusing, but they're one of 2 that I'm seriously considering.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly

    As bullit said, could well be staff out sick with Covid. 4 of us got a system done with them in kerry. None of us had any complaints. 2 were audited and passed so quality of work isn't in question.

    G did mention to be getting parts was becoming an issue but I imagine everyone is finding that to be the case with production facilities effected with Covid. We already know chips are in short supply.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,125 ✭✭✭CathalDublin

    @bullit_dodger the ”cowboys ted” is just a joke from father ted, I don’t think I mentioned the company name anyway.

    but seriously I think I’m just gonna go the DIY route as I don’t see them ever actually completing it.

    and now I just noticed my original published BER on seai site is gone but the new one they organised isn’t there either, not sure what the craic there is

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,125 ✭✭✭CathalDublin

    Sorry, what’s her role? her signature doesn’t have a job title and she seems to have previously done admin/reception

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭yankinlk

    Have to agree here. Not picking on Cathal but he's a great example of someone rubbishing a company in multiple posts before they ever even visited him for install. People have zero patience and online bashing is just too damn easy.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 44,918 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,984 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG

    Another fella on the Facebook page just paid a deposit for a system priced at €12k when it should cost around €8k.

    It's funny there are always a load of people defending the price gouging. A bit of digging and you usually find that they're either installers, or people who have been skinned in the past and are trying to justify it to themselves.

  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk

    The hauwei stuff, looking round the usual suspects tend to be more expensive.

    Solis seems to really have cornered the market in Ireland.

    For the backup box, that I'm assuming will run the house in a power outage, automatically, I'd value it at around 1-2k, as to get someone to come do it right with proper fail-safes and idiot proofing would be around that mark.

    That still doesn't justify 15k before the grant...

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger

    LOL - "Father Ted" is a personal favorite of mine - so I got the joke. All good buddie. No, you raise some good points Cathal, and as I said your actually not the first person to remark the same. I've no dealing there myself, so I can't remark with any 1st hand knowledge and I do feel for you too being in the situation that you are. Not good. My comments were more to the community at large, as you maybe aware their has been a debate going on here about naming companies. The thinking started off on the line

    "Ohh well it can't be bad to remark on the positive ones, right?"

    But even doing just the positive ones is a slippery slope and what can start out as a well meaning process can quickly transgress into "Why are you defending these guys? They're useless!" etc. We can get two different (legitimate) experiences from the same company.

    In fact we can virtually guarantee that for EVERY supplier out there in the market (yes, every last one of them!) that we could find at least 1x customer who's had a bad experience with them be it on pricing, after sales service, damages caused by install, lack of comms, etc There's so many ways to let people down and fall through the cracks. It happens with the best.

    That said, there are plenty of good reliable, hard working suppliers out there who'll give customers, myself included, a fair price and good service. i wish there was a better way in actively highlighting the ones to avoid (eagle eyed people will see what I did there) but PM's with personal recommendations are what we have, and it's working (somewhat)

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭MAULBROOK

    But its a premium product with premium inverter, premium panels, premium battery and the PREMIUM price guaranteed. Give me strength.

    The bloke is a dope if he doesn't cancel the order.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭irishchris

    I also got SAAS done last year and find them grand. Email Trudy as she will get things sorted generally if no joy from Sacha. Pm me for her email address if you need it.

    Also did DIY route for my second array and if you feel competent at it then may be better option

  • Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭necstandards

    Yearly average consumption: ~4500kWh. EV on the way so estimating it will increase to ~9000kWh annually. Am confused as to go for a battery system or not. The EV should be parked at home most of the time (WFM), so thinking it will be charging during daylight hours on average. Any opinion on this or is my thinking really flawed?

    Quotes so far:

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger

    Nope your thinking isn't flawed at all necstandards. It's come up a few times. There's a couple of different viewpoints on it. I personally I don't think it's a clear cut answer for battery = "yes/no". With the EV, you have a good dump/storage for your production for this 6-7 months of the year when we get decent production in Ireland. This on the surface would suggest that you don't need one, makes sense to use the car for it.

    However, when you start to think about it, there's a couple of questions you need to answer yourself, or at least think about. With a 6Kwp system, your going to be making on average 20+ Kwhr a day for 5 months of the year. Your current consumption is 4500kwhr/year, so let's call that and average of 12.5 Kwhr/day, but since it's summer light/heat (pumps) won't be on as much, so your average in summer is probably 10Kwhr/day. Then it's a question of will you be driving enough to consume that 10+ Kwhr every day. That's 350Km/week? If you are then I think a house battery is probably not needed. If on the other hand you don't do that kind of mileage then perhaps a 2.4Kwhr or a 5 Kwhr would help you self consume some more?

    Otherwise you'll be exporting a fair bit and FIT, while not offically announced, is likely to be pittance.

    • Comp 1 - Array is too small really to support an EV, and it's over priced.
    • Company 2 - way over priced. All options
    • Company 3 is the best quote in terms of value/money that you listed, but its still wiggle room there I'd say. I think I know the company.
    • Company 4 crazy over priced.

    You talk to those boys from Enniskillen?

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭MAULBROOK

    Plus 1on that

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,841 ✭✭✭championc

    Unless you are prepared to do a DIY battery, then in my opinion, the likes of Pylontech batteries are not worth it, unless you live in an area prone to power failure (which would need extra kit to support such a setup).

    The likes of a 2.4 or a 5 kW battery will be feck all use for the likes of a 40kW EV.

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1

    As a two EV household you will get PV benefits for 4 months, remainder months will not be great as the EDDI will take excess. As C just said, a Pylontech battery is pretty useless, just get one for the grant, sell it and look to DIY battery setup, I’ve 20kWh battery setup waiting for install, stupid customs won’t release my BMS which is holding me back

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly

    Thought she was more accounts for the parent company but will certainly do no harm or he could just phone the boss.

  • Registered Users Posts: 741 ✭✭✭Bif

    How hard is It to set up / add on 20kw battery system?

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger

    In principle I agree with this, but my point was more around the utilization of said EV. Picture the scenario where it's May/June and you have a sunny Tuesday. Lets say the EV's battery is 50Kwhr battery and you managed to dump 25 Kwhr into the car, so it's now full. Awesome - (and I really like the fact that you can drive in essence around on sunshine).....but the weather is also good Weds. However the car is now full and unless you've driven 50-60Km in that evening time you won't have created "space" in the battery to take that excess on Weds. That's why I was asking about the utilization.

    Tought one. I don't think I'm "more right" here, it's hard to call, but I'd be inclined to get a small-mid sized battery for the house. You could also use that for night rate in winter of course.

    Aside: I don't have an EV, but can you not reprioritize the ZAPPI over the EDDI. Seems like a better usage of power. The leccie going into the car will get use, while the energy going into the immersion, you could lose a fair chunk of that if the hot water wasn't used. No?

  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭Niceday20

    Yes the EV, battery and diverter is a tricky one.

    I have a zappi, eddi, 4.8kW array with hybrid inverter (Solax) and 5.8kW battery (Solax) which I have been using since May 21, and getting the balance right is a juggling act. I am also on a day/night meter.

    With a battery, my hybrid inverter will send any surplus power (after the house has its bit) to the battery as priority on a "self use" setting. That can be changed on my inverter to "fixed time use" when you either charge the battery from the mains or disable it from charging/discharging.

    In normal operation when your house battery is fully charged, or there is surplus over what is going to the battery, this will be available to the myenergi devices.

    The zappi and eddi can be set with a priority between them or shared equal priority with a large enough array, but bear in mind that the zappi will require a minimum of 1.4kW surplus to be able to charge the car, and each device will need to see an export to the grid (typically about 100w set by parameter) to kick-in.

    Consequently with zappi as pri 1 and eddi pri 2, the eddi will divert to water until there is a surplus of 1.5kw (1.4kw + 100w) before the zappi kicks-in and stops the eddi.

    With the eddi as pri 1 and zappi pri 2, eddi will divert to hot water until the HW is full, or there is 1.5kW surplus above what eddi is taking, when the zappi will also kick-in.

    My set up has eddi pri 1 and zappi pri 2.

    My experience is that in the summer months, the battery goes full between 10 and 11am, and hence surplus to the myenergi devices thereafter. Eddi then takes another 1-2hr to heat the HW. This means that around midday/early afternoon, when generation is at its peak, so there is the maximum available for the zappi.

    By contrast, now in the winter months, I am having to charge the house battery during off peak hours using the "fixed time use" setting on the inverter, which typically lasts me from 8am until 11pm when off peak starts again with the occasional surplus for the eddi, but never enough for the zappi.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭THE ALM

    It is a tricky balance alright and one that I am tweaking and playing around with at the moment, solar just installed over two weeks ago.

    Almost 8.3kW array, 5kw battery, Zappi and Eddi, D/N Meter and an EV.

    I have started charging the battery for 90mins at 06:30 which gets me to about 90% before the day rate kicks in. As the solar output increases I hope to have the battery to 100% before the excess goes to the Eddi and then come 12:00 I should have the excess for the Zappi to kick in (not these days with this stubbornly low cloud hanging around). I find a 100% battery will take us to about 23:00 before night rate kicks in again.

    I find that if the EV is not at home plugged in and it's a good sunny day then this is where the excess can be a problem and too much excess will be going back to the grid. For this reason I have an oiled filled electric radiator on a smart plug which I have linked to Loxone that detects if more than 850w of energy is going back to the grid then turns this on to use this energy.

    Have the radiator on a mid setting which pulls about 850w as I find the top setting pulls about 1500w which covers too few hours for the solar to power, figure 850w will give me a bigger spread throughout the day. I might set up another radiator and if hitting 1600w excess then it will turn on the second one.

    Amazing how obsessed you become with energy and weather after getting solar 😂 and how to stop that energy going back to the grid.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭yankinlk

    Instead of 90 mins at 630am why not lower the charge rate and reduce wear on the battery, run the charge all night long on night rate?

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger

    Agreed - it's a tricky problem....but an interesting one what with all the various strategies that can be employed. I would spin back here to the question of "Should i get a battery if I have an EV?" and while it very much depends on the specifics of the house, i think "in general" having a battery is a good thing to get and gives you more options to fully utilize your panels, inverter, etc that it would reduce your overall payback time. What size to get is also tough to call! I'd say probably about 5Kwhr. Anything more might be a bit pointless unless your burning through units like I am (32.8Kwhr yesterday) as your EV really should be your "big storage" solution, assuming that you drive enough to "burn it off".

    I like your smart plug and radiators idea - although I assume you actually have need for the heat? Sure, don't like giving the grid free energy, but you would be helping your neighbor to consumer green energy, so there is that.

    Flip side is get yourself a couple of mining rigs! I've one which heats my office to the point that I don't have to turn on the heating, and I get some crypto coins to boot. However, good luck in buying a GPU in this market, but if you have a decent one already like a 2080Ti, then it's quite profitable. Most PC's and GPU's will do ~300w a pop.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Bman11

    Hi all,

    I'm in the early stages of trying to get my head around quotes. Recently got a quote from a company that installs on behalf of one of the main utilities companies, that is currently offering interest free payments over 3 years. The quote for panels didn't seem too bad.... 4.4 kWp system came in at €5400 after the grant. However, the addition of a 5kw battery brought the price up to €10,300 after the grant. When i challenged a price of 5k for a battery and explained I've been quoted half that elsewhere, he explained it was "a far superior Sonnen battery system" and therefore more expensive.

    Any advice? Many thanks.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,984 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG

    He's talking bollocks is the short answer...

    The battery isn't "far superior" to any other. And even if it was, I'll bet you could buy it for about €2.5k yet he is charging you €5.5k for it (€4.9k plus €600 grant).

    Tell them to take a run and jump.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭rx8

    Ahh Phil... if it wasn't for me and you and a few others, the Solar PV crowd would be billionaires by now 😉 🙊

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly

    This forum can only catch few fish. Its a big ocean out there.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭THE ALM

    Agreed on getting battery especially if you have a day/night meter.

    Radiator is in a north facing room that is always cooler than the rest so don't mind trying to pump a bit of extra heat into it.

    Sorry for derailing this thread.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭MAULBROOK

    I have a personal mission to prevent one Active company ripping people off. I will promote the installer i used and I will promote other companies to stop them.

    I would like to think we have saved many people thousands of Euro.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 28 jimjoe23

    I got this quote. Guy is very easy to deal with.

    System size: 5.28KW

    Panels: 440W x 12 (Width 1.134m x Length 1.9m)

    Inverter: (included)

    Water Heater: My eddi (included)

    BER: (included)

    Insurance: (included)

    Additional slate fixtures: (included)

    Warranties - 25 years for both performance and panel, 10 years on inverter and battery.

    Whole system Workmanship warranty - 5 years.

    Total cost (without battery): €9050 (VAT included)

    Less solar grant (if eligible): -€1800 for panels

    System cost after grant (without battery): €7250

    Total cost (with 2.4KW battery & hybrid inverter): €11050 (VAT included)

    Less solar grant (if eligible): -€3000 for panels and battery.

    System cost after grant (with battery): €8050

    how does that look ?