Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2022 - No PM requests - See Mod note post #1

bullit_dodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118436129#Comment_118436129

It's not as bad as you think Maulbrook (he's not eligible for a grant) so, if you were getting that €3k, then it's only €1k above the odds. That typically to me is "in the ballpark" for a decent quote to be fair. That said, charging €40 quotes for what app now? The inverters come with their own interface usually - but maybe there's something there I/we don't know.

It always strikes me as a little "penny-pinching" though when your itemizing things in the quote for €40 when your spending €10K......just throw it in for free lads. Geez!

idc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118436042#Comment_118436042

Maybe thats normal price for Pylontech batteries? but I got 5.7kWh battery for half that price?

yankinlk

They have a great website to be fair, I like the fact they have a detailed story for every county represented. Gives good examples of use cases and goals and size if install etc.

One of the quotes I got offered this 250 back thing as well. I would have to assume that extra is built in the price, so like a pyramid scheme if u can get a few friends to join up with them it starts to be a better price!

40 euro for the app is that one time or annual charge?

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118436541#Comment_118436541

I am just presuming\hoping the €40 is for the Wi-Fi data logging dongle for the inverter and badly phrased on the quote.

Just to add the batter price of €4400 seems extremely expensive for 4.8KW.

https://shop.veepenergy.ie/product/pylon-us2000b-plus-4-8kwh-li-ion-battery-package/

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118436541#Comment_118436541

"multi Level marketing"

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118436541#Comment_118436541

The app is FREE to everyone. I know I'm being pedantic but someone is paying for the fantastic website. Lots of people have been suckered by flashy things 🤔

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118436389#Comment_118436389

Its marketing bull ****, if this was from in delete we would be ripping this apart.

The battery is over by 2k the panels are at best €200 each but translate to over €10000.

Rant over

bullit_dodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437078#Comment_118437078

Nothing wrong with a good rant, but going back to the quote.

4.38Kwp in panels, 4.8Kwhr in battery, €300 for some tiles (we'll give them that), for €10,271 (ex-grant). If he was eligible for a grant, that quote would be €7,271. Leaving aside the fact that the battery as a line item is over priced (which I agree with you) are you saying that the overall quote is massively overpriced? Maybe by €1k or so, but not seeing any bullshit there, a little rich perhaps, but no hardcore gouging.

What am I missing?!

seligehgit - why do you think you are ineligible for any grant? (Just want to make sure that is in fact correct as the rules changed recently)

DrPhilG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437138#Comment_118437138

Not even a grand high. Hitting the guidance directly would be €6.4k so €7.2 is perfectly reasonable. Don't forget there's an Eddi in that too which we usually allow about €500 for.

No harm in a bit of haggling too, maybe bring it down a bit more.

I missed the company name, or was it the Enniskillen folks that they named? It's been removed now anyway.

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437138#Comment_118437138

I am reading the quote as the batteries are an extra €4400 and initial setup minus them is €10,271. Again could be completely wrong that's just how I read it.

12 peimar solar panels 365 W ( 4.38 kW ) 10,271 euro 30 year warranty

Pylontech battery 4.8 kW 4,400 euro

bullit_dodger

Ha - ok that makes more sense now as to why that should be in the "shitlist". Looks like I misread that quote......bin it/flush it. You'll easy beat that quote.

That said, the question about grant ineligibility should be verified. Might mean that you have €3000 coming to you to help that you didn't think so , although not to be spent with that supplier :-)

yankinlk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437165#Comment_118437165

name is in post #347 in the quote...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118436042#Comment_118436042

This is awful. Run a mile.

The battery price is ridiculous. You could buy the same yourself for less than 2.5k

Try to find out what app they are talking about. Interested to know that.

seligehgit

Re the grant eligibility I wasn't aware of any changes in the eligibility criteria.

House was built in 2010.

Connected to grid in 2011?

BER certificate has just expired.

It was B1.

Just to clarify the quote was just over 14K without the grant.

You guys have opened my eyes re the high cost.

I was shocked re the retail cost of the pylontech battery.Would they install it if you bought it yourself?Hardly likely.

Eager to get a quote back from the firm most recommended here.

I'll try to find out about the app.

Thanks guys.

DrPhilG

Ah right, I get it now re the price.

Where are you based?

seligehgit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437745#Comment_118437745

Mayo

DrPhilG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437748#Comment_118437748

Worth a try then. I did hear that the Enniskillen folk were having to limit themselves to further north due to the backlog of work they had, plus they were charging the same rate to someone in Sligo as someone in Cork but if you're paying for diesel up and down plus food & accommodation for 3-4 lads on a 2 day job I'm sure it's hardly worth it.

I'd say Mayo would still make the cut though.

MAULBROOK

One thing that needs to be considered is that non grant jobs don't have the additional costs associated with the SEAI requirements. This can add up to €700, some times more.

bullit_dodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437734#Comment_118437734

They have removed the houses build before 2011 rule - it's now houses built before 2021. Additionally the BER assesment has been totally scrapped.

You can read yourself the full details here ... it came into effect from Dec 21st, but I don't know if the systems are allowing it at the moment. No idea as I haven't been through the process, but yeah, you should be good there mate. Also, someone else enquired and the €600 for the battery is unchanged (it's not mentioned in the website release, but it's unchanged)

gov.ie - Micro-generation (www.gov.ie)

but I guess the bits that interest you are......

• For domestic applicants, homes built pre-2021 are eligible
• For domestic applicants, buildings will not have to meet a minimum BER (Building Energy Rating) standard, even after any new equipment is installed, to be included in the Micro-generation Support Scheme (MSS).

Your welcome :-)

seligehgit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118438789#Comment_118438789

That's fantastic Thank you so much

poker--addict

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118438160#Comment_118438160

What are the costs? Paperwork?

Jonathan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118439246#Comment_118439246

Fireman's switch mainly.

MAULBROOK

Fireman's switch, some minor bits and paperwork required by SEAI

poker--addict

Would fireman switch not be a good idea anyway?

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118440536#Comment_118440536

Asking the self install lads?

bullit_dodger

Disclaimer: I'm not an electrician.

I don't see the point of the fireman's switch myself. So it has to be within 1.5 meters of where the cables enter into the roof. In theory this sounds good, a quick way if making the solar installation safe from the PV charge coming in. In reality? Would you be climbing through the crawl space of the attic to get to the firemans switch to turn it off when your house is burning down? No - I'd be getting the hell out of it!

So then it's useful for the actual fireman, right? Don't think so, as it's often hidden inside the crawl space in a way that it's not easily known. A fireman from your local bridgage ain't going to know where it is. Not regulation in the UK as far as I'm aware. Only ireland.

Maybe I'm missing something and need to be educated. I'm ok with that, if that's the case.

championc

Missing something ? You never took into account the 20 tonnes of crap which are also in the attic, so it's likely that you'll break your neck getting to it, or you'll never find it

Niceday20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441180#Comment_118441180

In my install, the fireman's switch is controlled by mains ac being available. If the mains goes, then the panels are isolated without the need for someone to get to the switch to turn them off.

This is one of the problems of using an EPS standby circuit in that the power can only come from the battery, and nothing from the panels as they are isolated.

Jonathan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441180#Comment_118441180

Not sure if you've climbed up into your attic to have a look, but the fireman's switch isn't a switch per se, but rather a spring loaded DC disconnect. It requires AC to keep the contactor energised. Basically means that the fire services can pull the main ESB fuse at meter box and ensure house is de-energised. The main reason people dislike them is that they mean that your PV system cannot generate during a power cut on a sunny day (EPS/backup supplies excepted).

bullit_dodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441325#Comment_118441325

Fair point and I didn't realise that it was a spring loaded solonoid or something.

I always thought that since the inverter was grid powered, with the grid going down that would be the root cause for the inverter to go inoperative and hence no production in grid outage scenario (or main fuse pulled). So the firemans switch does help a little there, but it's really only in the wiring from the firemans switch itself into the inverter, which is powered down in that scenario. Not sure it really helps much.....but again, I'm not a spark.

Perhaps they have a reason that the UK authorities decided wasn't an issue for them. I don't have a big issue with it or anything, but would just like to know.

mel123

Anyone care to DM me with recommendations? Dublin area, doing a full house renovation. Know nothing about solar panels but feel like i should look at putting them in. Trying to read up on them and educate myself, but if anyone has any recommendations of good decent companies please pass them on.

bullit_dodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450149#Comment_118450149

PM sent with both the usual suspects (Sligo and Enniskillen suppliers)

keg

What’s the estimated payback on a battery and panel install now in 2022?

bullit_dodger

Depends a lot on what system you get in, and if you got fleeced or not with the install price. There are some.....let's call them "pricey" operators out there. Your typical 5Kwp in panels and 5Kwhr battery with EDDI with a decent price and you'd be looking at 10-12 years for an average house in Ireland.

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450623#Comment_118450623

Thats a how long is a piece of string question.

It depends on so many factors ie how many people are in the house, heating system types, EV and how big of a PV system you're going to get.

My only advice is go big on the panels and no less than a 5kw battery.

DM sent, the supplier i used will give you a better idea and good guidance.

CryoSat

I have a quote for a 6.2Kw system that I think is fairly reasonable which i've included below. Any other provider recommendations would be appreciated.

Panels: Qcells ML-G9 390w gapless white backsheet x16

Inverter: Solis 5th Gen Hybrid Inverter 5kW x1

Battery: PureDrive II - 5kW Battery x1

Mounting system : Renusol

Total: €9000 after SEAI grant

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451500#Comment_118451500

No water diverter (Eddie, iBoost) and the inverter should be 6kw.

JAG777

New to this - but will be going ahead with a domestic solar installation - in the Midlands.

Would really appreciate a PM with a couple of recommended suppliers to proceed with.

Thanks !

bullit_dodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451558#Comment_118451558

Your too harsh mate! :-) It's over a bit to be sure, but it's not a crazy quote by any stretch of the imagination. But yeah, defo try and get the 6Kw inverter - it'll future proof you for a year or two down the line if you ever upgrade the number of panels , and it should be only an extra 150-200 euros.

The eddi/iBoost, yeah, it's neat an all (bought one myself) but not if payback is your primary goal.

CryoSat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451580#Comment_118451580

Thanks for the feedback @bullit_dodger and @MAULBROOK. I have a combi boiler so no water tank for an Eddi. The 6Kw inverter, I asked about this already and was told the availability is extremely limited but it would add €100 to the quote if available.

Jonathan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451606#Comment_118451606

Quote isn't the worst, but a bit high. If you have a combi boiler, do you have a use in mind for all that generation? A smaller system might give better ROI (I'm discounting the FIT, because it will probably be crap. Self use is the aim of the game).

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451580#Comment_118451580

True, edit done, I need to keep reminding myself that costs have gone up due to supply line shortages.

CryoSat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451635#Comment_118451635

Good question @Jonathan and something I haven't given huge consideration to. I had originally planned for a smaller system but given the cost difference for putting up the additional panels now rather than later I thought it may be better to just fill the roof. With 2 of us working long term from home I would hope that we'd be able to use a significant amount of what's produced changing our usage habits although doing some quick calculations from the estimated solar production we'd have a fair bit of excess in the summer months.

MAULBROOK

Wise move on filling the roof.

bullit_dodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451896#Comment_118451896

True - most of us are the same that in summer we have an excess of production. It's in the spring/autumn that you need to build out your system and target your production to match demand. Yeah, you could try and do the same for winter, as in chuck a load of panels on the roof to make up for the bad weather.....but many days in Dec/Jan are just so poor no matter what you have on the roof it won't make much difference.

E.g. here are my numbers for the first week in Jan.

This is off a 14x panels amounting to 5.3Kwp (albeit East/West facing which isn't great in Winter). My consumption is 30+ units/day ..... so I'm not even making 10%. However once March/April comes along we'll ticking along nicely ! Good to set expectations from the getgo that Nov-Feb are just generally "meh" months and that we all suffer.

poker--addict

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451606#Comment_118451606

Also had a few tell me a 6kw was hard to get at moment.

keg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450731#Comment_118450731

Have a heat pump which is using on a average 11KWh of electricity per day but a max of 24KWh in January and a minimum of 2 from May through to September.

Herself is a school teacher so is out of home most of the day but is at home then for the holidays.

I mainly work away from home.

No electric car yet but next car will likely be a Phev at a minimum.

poker--addict

I have a heat pump using 5 times that average, but that is another thread!

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118452456#Comment_118452456

20 panels 6.2kw I'm aiming for 6 more panels but that's for another day.

bullit_dodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118452623#Comment_118452623

Absolutely, but as I recall your orientation is better than east/west? But the point was more to be realistic that Nov-Feb is geneally "not good".