Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2022 - No PM requests - See Mod note post #1

MayoMagic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118418437#Comment_118418437

Cheers, I'll update if I get anything back from SEAI.

kenmc

I don't qualify for a grant, unless the pre-2011 goes away.

First quote in today as follows:

16 panel setup @5.5KW

5KW HYBRID INVERTER (SOLIS)

5KW BATTERY (PURE DRIVE) 

EDDIE WATER DIVERTER.

WIFI dongle

PRICE 10900 EUROS.

Optimizers extra as required @80 a pop - is this one per panel so potentially another 1280?

Question; is there any sense in leaving out the battery and installing the hybrid inverter, and then source the battery myself - is it as simple as just plugging it into the inverter?

Have requested some more quotes also.

Last 12 months total energy bills was 1170 euro (heatpump, nightrate), so with this install it's looking at around 18 years payback time if I can save 50% of the annual cost per year which seems ludicrous, almost far better to dump it into the mortgage!

bullit_dodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118419203#Comment_118419203

Not a bad quote that, not bad at all.....especially since you'll be able to qualify for the grant. I'd drop SEAI a mail and see what they say. It was announced in the budget, so it should be there now as the budget was signed into law. It's the MSS scheme here.....down about half way.

gov.ie - Micro-generation (www.gov.ie)

Optimizers: Depends on the how many panels are being shaded. If you have all your panels located in one big string, and (say) 6 of them at the end have shading, then you would separate off the 6 into a separate string and have optimizers for those. But really it just .....depends on the situation. Can't give you a definitive answer. Do you definitely think you need them?

kenmc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118419258#Comment_118419258

Thanks for the feedback - I thought it was pretty high to be honest, esp given the likely payback period. If as you say the grant comes into play then it makes it more attractive for sure.

Re the optimizers, I dunno - there are some trees nearby which would likely shade some of the roof, but I guess it depends on how the panels are layed out and what the actual shading is. Are they vital to install? they're deciduous so bare in winter when they would be most likely to shade compared to summer.

Any thoughts on doing the battery install DIY with everything else done by installer? much in the way of savings to be made there?

bullit_dodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118419298#Comment_118419298

Optimizers: Hard to say without seeing it I reckon. Depends on so many things are you can imagine, where the trees are in relation to the panels, the orientation of the panels, etc Some people just put up with the loss of production in some scenarios. For example, maybe they cast a shadow on the panels from 4-6pm but it's only from March-April and again in Aug-Sept when the sun is in that part of the sky and at other times of the year it's clear and you don't need them. So people forgo it.

Then against that, you might have shadows every day from 2pm onwards in which case you need them. It's hard know, but the installers will guide you. Generally they aren't pricks about it - trying to sell you something you don't need.

Battery. There are more experienced DIY battery gurus on the thread than I, but the general strategy that people recommend is get a small (say 2.4kWhr) battery. This entitles you to the €600 grant (which isn't going away btw) and then sell the battery and use the money to fund a larger (say) 10Kwhr DIY battery.

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118419203#Comment_118419203

One thing to factor in is your mortgage. If you get a BER of B2 or better you could get a green mortgage with better rates. If you include that then the payback will im hugely.

This is what I did, went from a 3.6% to 2.15% mortgage.

kenmc

Thanks, already at A3 though, new build 3.5 years ago.

championc

@kenmc You have the perfect opportunity right now to access shading. Right now will be your worst case scenario surely.

However, while a tree may be leafless, ANY shading on the panels will kill the output at that time for that entire string.

I'm glad to seen someone being realistic about their potential savings, and I don't believe that you are being over-cautious either. Some people are deluded.

Consider a separate Storage Inverter for a battery setup later, rather than the hybrid inverter. Be interesting to see the effect on the pricing.

poker--addict

If your pay back exceeds 10-11 years I would not do it. Does that payment period assume an EV (electric vehicle) at any point?

18 years- you would be far better off hedging bets and waiting to see if technology evolves or prices reduce. In the meantime put the money into the mortgage or pension.

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118419740#Comment_118419740

Mine is on track for under 10 yrs.. I put a whole 50 euro worth of electric into the car from solar... Doesn't help that the car isn't home during the week.. solution! 2 evs 😂

championc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118419740#Comment_118419740

I think that there are precious few of us here who will have payback under 10 years. I'm assuming that the majority who will have bought at around €1k per 1kWp are around 12 years payback ?

poker--addict

I think one has to assume some level of above average inflation in electricity costs over the next 10 years. If a home is already A-rated and very efficient then the exposure to such increases is already reduced. If your usage is above average the maths probably look better than 10 years. Will do my own calcs again in the next few weeks.

bullit_dodger

Yeah, I reckon like graememk I'll be sub 10 years. Probably 8-9. Couple of things things going for me.

• I bought very close to the €1K per 1Kwp (on the good side of it)
• I have pretty high consumption, 30+ units /day. So I can cycle fully my battery easily every day. In winter that gives me €1/day (€0.98 to be exact) just using battery to give night rate during the day,
• and of course in Summer, with the high consumption rate, most of the energy put into the battery from solar will be consumed during day rate hours (till midnight) so my self-consumption % will be high. Very high.

None of that fancy FIT nonsense for me! Batteries for the win! :-)

Nolars

Hi all, can anyone recommend companies to get quotes off in the cork area? Also has anyone ever used wizer energy in midleton?

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118420897#Comment_118420897

I know one of the Boardies just signed up with them and the sound very happy with the quote and advice they got.

DrPhilG

I estimated around 11 years for payback, although that was before I added the DIY batteries.

Pique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118420804#Comment_118420804

So which is it then? Growing weed or mining Bitcoin?? 😁

kenmc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118419740#Comment_118419740

I've not accounted for an ev at this point in time, have a 2020 petrol which may get kept at pcp end in 2023, or switch to hybrid or similar then - need capacity to do occasional cross country loaded with camping stuff and bikes.

bullit_dodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118422306#Comment_118422306

I laughed out loud at that. For reals!!

It's mining, growing weed takes too much power, I only have single phase coming into the house. LOL

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118422894#Comment_118422894

Nobody ever says weed. 🤪

paddyirish23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118420897#Comment_118420897

Yes they installed for me this week panels up in half a day, lads were spot on. Back again today for the wiring up of battery and install. Martin is always on the phone for any questions I had. They've put up a much as the regs for getting grant will allow so 3.4kw for now with 2.4kw battery but I've asked for double that. All in 11k that's 9 panels with 3 more to go on later, a 5kw inverter and now 4.8 battery. Grant will hopefully be 2400 or 2600.

paddyirish23

Just to add that quote was 2.5k under other quotes I got. Will update once everything up and running.

poker--addict

Slightly different one here;

7.5kw longi panel

SolarEdge Energy Bank 10kWhYa

SE5000H solar edge wave inverter (which I think is a hybrid)

10300 euro after grant.

This is one of my better quotes.

What is the approach to inverter sizing and should I be looking at 6kw inverter instead of 5kw?

do these power bank batteries present a problem for DIY extension later? I’d imagine i will never go above 10kw if I get an EV, but I want to be future proofed given the asset cost

THE ALM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425414#Comment_118425414

That looks like a good quote especially looking at the price of that battery alone!

I would certainly be pushing for the 6kw inverter, not much difference in price.

bullit_dodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425414#Comment_118425414

I'd be inclined to pull the trigger on that quote. One of the few recently which matches the formula. See if you can get a SE6000H, it's only €150-200 more. E.g

SOLAREDGE | Europe-solarstore

You won't be in any trouble by the way with a 5Kw and 7.5Kwp in panels as the inverter will only "pull" (for lack of a better word) up to it's max, so in theory you could put 20Kwp of panels up there and you'd still be safe with a 5kw inverter, but of course, you potentially could be missing production with 7.5Kw and a 5Kw inverter. Of course that would also depend on your orientation, for example if it was an east/west split it's unlikely you'll get the full 7.5Kw, but a smaller figure for longer during the day. bBut in any case, you'll future proof yourself for when you get more panels :-)

But yeah, good quote that.

mosney

Hi,

Received this quote yesterday, leaving everything here verbatim from the email.

"As a follow up to my first email and your original enquiry please find detailed below 2 quotes that may be suitable for your needs. This is quite a large system (6.3kWp) and you should expect an annual generation of close to 6000kWh/year. You mentioned that you have a ground source heat pump so I therefore assume that you have a night rate tariff, for this reason I am going to suggest that you give consideration to Option #2 as it have a larger battery (10.1kWh), the Alpha Inverter/Battery system can be set up so you can charge the battery(s) from the grid at the night rate tariff giving to reduced priced power during the winter months when the PV is at its lowest output.

 

Option #1

Battery System (Alpha) with 5.7kWh Battery Storage

6.38kWp of modules kitted to a 5kW Inverter

17 x Bisol Dulpex 375w Monocrystalline modules (All black modules)*

PV Mounting system on a Ground Mount Structure

1 x Projoy Fire Safety Switch

AC Switch Gear

Alpha 5 kWp Inverter kitted to 5.7kWh storage capacity

Costing

€12700(inclusive of VAT)

-€3,000 (Grant)

€9,700 Final cost after grant incentive

 

Option #2

Battery System (Alpha) with 10.1kWh Battery Storage

6.38kWp of modules kitted to a 5kW Inverter

17 x Bisol Dulpex 375w Monocrystalline modules (All black modules)*

PV Mounting system on a Ground Mount Structure

1 x Projoy Fire Safety Switch

AC Switch Gear

Alpha 5 kWp Inverter kitted to 10.1kWh storage capacity

Costing

€14500(inclusive of VAT)

-€3,000 (Grant)

€11,500 Final cost after grant incentive

 

 

OPTIONAL EXTRAS

Alpha 10 Year Inverter Warranty Extension: €200 (Recommended)

Additional 5.7kWh battery: €2000 (Option #1 Only)

Additional 10.1kWh battery: €3600 (Option #2 Only)

 

A BER is required after the work is complete and is not covered on the cost detailed above.

Qualification for the grant is dependent on the house being built before 2011 and attaining a ‘C’ rating on the BER after the PV installation is complete.

*NOTE: Planning laws presently state that systems greater than 12m2 (7 panels) required planning approval. SEAI do not require this to qualify for the grant.

 

Note: Your battery system is a grid tied product and does not generate power for your home in the event of a grid power outage.

 

 

Warranties:

Bisol Duplex Module: 15 Year Limited Product Warranty/25 Year limited Power Output Warranty (>85%).

Alpha Inverter and Battery Storage System: 5 Year Product Warranty/10 Year Performance Warranty. And an expected design life of in excess of 10000 cycles

2 Year warranty on the labour associated with the installation."

bullit_dodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118426099#Comment_118426099

Firstly fair play to them for mentioning the "small print" about 12m2 in surface area. No one (and I mean NO ONE) takes any notice of it by the way, but also mentioning up front that you won't have power in the house in a power cut. it's a misconception that many people have (including myself) when I first started looking at solar. Also, their estimation of "close to 6000 units" from a 6.3Kwp isn't lies, assuming your directly south facing.

If your not south facing expect closer to 5,000 units.

The quotes aren't bad. I think you might be able to get for about €1K cheaper, but your pretty close here. I wouldn't feel that I was robbed with either of these.

I noted that you are "ground mounted". Is there a capacity to change the angle of the panels with that?

idc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118426099#Comment_118426099

Assuming this is the same company I used (based on the fact its Alpha and Bisol 😃) , they can modify your system to allow it use battery power or battery and solar in a power outage but will cost extra.

mosney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118426312#Comment_118426312

Hi, thanks for the reassurance the quote is at least reasonable! I went for this as we have full south facing sunlight there all day with no shade, from the pictures I've seen it looks like there's no option to swivel or pivot them.

bullit_dodger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118426885#Comment_118426885

I would enquire about that, being able to change the angle that is. It doesn't really matter so much in summer as most of us have an over abundance of generation, but in winter if you could angle the panels at 20 deg from the vertical plane, you'd probably boost your production by 20-30%.

Not a deal breaker though - but something to at least ask about if it's possible

seligehgit

Anybody able to clarify how long it takes for Enniskillen lads to offer a quote?

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118426996#Comment_118426996

How long are you waiting?

At this stage we could have a bloody good guess.

€10900

Pique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118427223#Comment_118427223

Have you hacked my email??? 😀

DrPhilG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118426996#Comment_118426996

I went from first call to quote in less than a week, and install 3 weeks later iirc.

They're mental busy now though but just give them a call again.

Sysmod

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118415573#Comment_118415573

Which spreadsheet is that? I see a Google Sheets one for generation per month per user, not one with quotes to compare against. That would be helpful.

poker--addict

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425414#Comment_118425414

correction to previous, it was a 5kw battery, 10kw appeared in other documentation. The extra 5kw would be 3900 on top.

7.5Kw of panels, no battery under 8k though, which is highly competitive.

yankinlk

Its in there, check the other tabs in the Google sheet.

seligehgit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118427223#Comment_118427223

I rang them on the 23rd December 2021 AM.I was talking to the head man.

I had forwarded all the relevant details the previous evening.He told me I'd have a quote that evening.

I resent the email on Tuesday and followed up with call.I was talking to somebody else and he stated that they never received the initial email which I found bizzare.

TBF I'm sure they are crazy busy and we're barely over the Christmas period.

I've a zoom call with NRG Panel tomorrow evening.

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118428998#Comment_118428998

Out of interest do you have a setup in mind?

fael

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118428998#Comment_118428998

I rang them before christmas as well. Rang in the afternoon, had a quote in the evening.

islander222

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118426996#Comment_118426996

Had a quote back the same day the week before.

poker--addict

which setups have a plug to cater for a power outage?

Cristobaal

Hi all, I`m also wondering about PV panels installation. I live in a housing estate in Galway. Currently I only got one quote but it looks quite expensive to me.

The guy who did the quotation mention that:

I have had a look at your property online and I feel 10 panels wouldn't be possible as the only space available is the front which sits South facing and because of the hipped part of the roof I think 7 panels would be the maximum we could install which would be 2.59kW of PV in total.

Price with the battery:

• 7 x 370W JA Solar PV Panels (2.59kW)
• 1 x 3.6kW GivEnergy Hybrid Inverter
• 1 x 2.6kWh GivEnergy Battery Storage
• 1 x EDDI power Diverter Smart Immersion
• Full Installation & Commissioning of System

     =   €8,115.25 incl. VAT

Minus the grant worth €2,577 means you pay €5,538.25

Price without the battery:

• 7 x 370W JA Solar PV Panels (2.59kW)
• 1 x 3kW Ginlong Solis 4G Inverter
• 1 x EDDI power Diverter Smart Immersion
• Full Installation & Commissioning of System

     =   €6,526.25 incl. VAT

Minus the grant worth €1,800 means you pay €4,726.25

I wonder if I could install few more panels on the rear side of the roof ?

kenmc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118434135#Comment_118434135

On the north side? Pretty pointless unless you've a flatish roof?

MAULBROOK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118434135#Comment_118434135

Too much, I think you can do better. Dm sent.

Cristobaal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118434968#Comment_118434968

No, it's not flat at all. I already figured out myself that there is no point to put any panels there 👍

Bif

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118434968#Comment_118434968

Check the physical dimensions of the different output panels. You may be able to fit more if you go with the smaller panels and in that way increase the overall output capacity?

Cristobaal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118435273#Comment_118435273

That's the first quote I have got. I sent 6-7 more today we will see if there is any size that would fit better.

seligehgit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118428998#Comment_118428998

First quotation

12 peimar solar panels 365 W ( 4.38 kW ) 10,271 euro 30 year warranty

Solis Hybrid Inverter 5 kW 10 year warranty

Eddi Power Diverter 5 year warranty

Pylontech battery 4.8 kW 4,400 euro

Charge of 300 euro for replacement slates

Solar PV app 40 euro

Reduction of 1500 euro for certain marketing ( signage outside house for one month use of home as a case study on website... )

Not eligible for any grants.

I'd to send my details to different email address for the Enniskillen lads today.

Removed the company's name.

Apologies.

MAULBROOK

Well it looks like naming companies is ok then.

The lads I used will be in deleted.