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Acceptable Covid death rates

  • 27-10-2021 8:38pm
    Registered Users Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭ skimpydoo

    Mark Paul wrote an article in last Friday's Irish Times that should not have been published. Mark wrote an article titled "Let’s talk about acceptable Covid death rates before restrictions kick in". As a person with a compromised immune system, I find this disgusting. There should be no acceptable Covid deaths.

    I have been in lockdown since March 2020 and I have no idea when I will be able to go out again. I took the vaccine but it did not work on me, so until a solutions found for people like me, I am going nowhere. Why should people in my situation become a statistic on a government chart? Would you like it if one of your family or friends was an acceptable death?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭ buried

    When did you get your vaccine S? And how do you mean it didn't work on you? Genuinely interested

    "Lunar South is Solar East" - W. B. Yeats

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭ skimpydoo

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,090 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Black Swan

    Perhaps consider consulting with a medical specialist in immunization, if you have not already? Your GP may refer you. An additional source may be at universities that have medical faculties with immunization research departments both in Ireland, the UK, on the continent, and across the pond?

    Lots of medical research is done at the case study level of analysis. Someone with unusual immunization conditions may be of interest to medical scientists and doctors doing research. If contacted at university they may reply.

    As to the OP question, personally I reject an acceptable Covid death rate.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,992 ✭✭✭ Jinglejangle69

    But that won't stop covid deaths altogether???

    So you're basically saying there is an acceptable covid death rate???

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭ skimpydoo

    No, I did not call for restrictions then because if you restricted your movements and contacts you are less likely to catch the flu. It is also worth noting that the flu (not counting the Spanish flu) has never been as rampant as Covid is.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭ buried

    I think the likes of yourself S and a lot of people in a similar situation, your families and friends are going to have to band together in a widescale political movement in order for you all to get the proper supports from government agencies to get you through this terrible pox. You will have to because this thing is not going away, and you are right to be careful, this thing is now everywhere, and for the vast majority of people they view this unleashed pox as nothing but a mere hindrance, because it won't affect them to the same extent as it would definitely affect you. So they are not in the same zone as you or people like you. You need to create a movement similar to the mica house families to demand extra support from government. Demand it until a proper treatment for this pox is developed. And one will, but it will probably take years. Get everybody you can in your situation to band together until this is done. That's all the little advice I can offer but it's worth doing it.

    "Lunar South is Solar East" - W. B. Yeats

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭ crossman47

    While I sympathise with the OP, I very much hope our government is having that very discussion. Its like the usual "you cannot put a price on a life". You can and you must if you want a functioning policy as regards drugs. People say this if a government is unwilling to sanction a new drug costing say a million per annum per patient. Arguable but what if the cost is ten million or multiples of that?

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭ skimpydoo

    People need to take some personal responsibility and what fuucking idiot queues for 2 hours to get into Coppers. If you go to a venue, be it a restaurant, pub, nightclub etc and you are not asked for your Covid passport don't give them your custom.

  • Or every other bacterial, fungal, and viral infection - all of which can be fatal to the immunocompromised / elderly.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭ skimpydoo

    It is also worth noting that people who survive Covid might end up with long covid and that ain't pretty.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭ skimpydoo

    Another point worth making is why has the government stopped contact tracing? Surely we should know where cases are coming from? and why are schools treated appallingly?

  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Alessia Wonderful Finch

    What are acceptable flu death rates?

    I mean the deaths that have been accepted every winter for many years.

    Are they no longer acceptable?

  • Because it's not possible to contact trace to that degree given the widespread level of community transmission; the resources aren't there.

    Once you accept that widespread community transmission has taken place, it becomes only relevant to test symptomatic cases.

  • Registered Users Posts: 21,023 ✭✭✭✭ One eyed Jack

    The article doesn’t refer to acceptable deaths though, it refers to an acceptable death rate - what level of risk is a society prepared to take in order to regain some sense of normality. I didn’t read the rest of it because it’s behind a paywall, but that’s the general gist of any of the articles which are posing the question. There’s nobody referring to specific individuals, which I grant you would be disgusting, and I probably wouldn’t have any interest in reading said articles, but articles questioning what level of risk are societies willing to accept in order to live and go about their business?

    Those kinds of questions are asked every day, and everyone finds themselves in situations where they are at risk from something or other on an almost daily basis and ask themselves whether or not the risk is worth it, and whether the level of risk is too great that it outweighs the benefits or not. The articles don’t mean that any death is acceptable, they’re questioning the costs vs the benefits - stay locked down with all the negatives that entails for a society, or risk opening society with all the negatives that entails, and whether one outcome outweighs the other.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭ skimpydoo

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,002 ✭✭✭ TheChizler

  • They've altered the criteria for contact tracing, to be exact.

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