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Will racism ever end?

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  • Does a low number of interracial marriages make racism ok?





  • Btw shouting abuse out the window of a car, be it racism, sexism or just general loutish comments is outing yourself as a complete oaf. Trashy behaviour.





  • They throw the ball in American Football.

    No, racism will never go away. People are inherently tribal, they had to be over the millennia. Strangers, and those who do not look like us will always be looked upon warily, it’s instinctive now after so many years of it in the past. Some people can resist their instinct and give everyone a chance, others can’t.

    And as said above, the jump to racism for every single thing that happens to a black person does not help. George Floyds death had nothing to do with racism. George Nkencho’s death had nothing to do with racism. His 15yo brother getting arrested for driving with no license, no insurance etc has nothing to do with racism. Yet you’ll get the same Twitter idiots like Chu and her followers jumping on it and screaming racism no matter what. It’s diluted all meaning.

    I’m 39 now, if someone had called me a racist between the ages of 18-30 I’d have been upset and worried about clearing my name, if somewhere said it now I’d laugh it off. Because now racist just means we’re talking about someone black or an incident relating to someone who is black and I don’t agree with the person I’m talking to. Especially on boards.



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  • How racism has developed over the years is largely down to the makeup of the family's hierarchies down through the generations.

    If people were born in a much older era when compared to now in the present day; the stark differences in how racism was expressed from that particular period of time up to now can be quite heartbreaking. Many many centuries ago; black people in America were not immune to prevent themselves from becoming slaves to white people of their generations from days gone by. Racism, brought on by slavery back then, being expressed from one race to the other was by and large seen as an essential norm by the ruling classes in those days.

    But when you look at the impact of racism today; it's still here with us while we see ignorant people express powerful and emotional messages of hate to their common man who will never be the same as them. But the people who express these less visible messages of hatred and discrimination towards these groups can be hard to swallow in this country. You could see these people in day to day life today working in normal jobs being normal people among the rest of society. But there is an undercurrent of racists out there who are within that category who can be quite nasty to others when the victims don't expect it.

    Now imagine that man being talked about in the OP was actually working here with a decent career & reputation among his colleagues. And then outside of the workplace in a personal capacity; he has the gall within himself to secretly express his nasty racist undertones to other different people who are actually not blind to see the ignorance come out of his own mouth. How could people here feel about it if that was the case? What could people here say about hearing those racist messages unfold right in front of their eyes? Could they say that he was a dickhead or a scumbag to quieten his ignorant demeanour?

    Or could you have people expressing praise to him because they were brought up in the same ilk as the racist? If you asked which one could be more shocking then the other. It's definitely the latter because that is how racism will never end in this country or in any other country. It will stick with the assholes as they know they can use it to beat someone verbally by expressing it because they can use it properly without seeing the consequences.





  • No, because it's human nature to be one better than everyone else, and some people will do anything to get that. It all stems from greed, so in order to end racism, and hapes of other human issues, greed needs to be eliminated. Which will never, ever, ever, ever happen.





  • Is greed an inherent part of humans personality though? Is it naturally there or a learned trait?





  • ^Not sure that greed is the issue. What is inherent, written into our biology and later described as human nature, is that we are hierarchical pack animals. Racism is one way (among many) of asserting membership/position in the pack(s).



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  • I might agree with you that there is a certain aspect of fear of the unknown innate to humans.

    But can anyone use that to excuse racist taunting and abuse at sports events for example. Is it fear making grown men make monkey chants and throw banana's at sports people they dislike?





  • Racism will never end, so long as people make excuses for it

    'humans are inherently tribal' etc. It's always been like that, it's in our DNA etc etc.

    Also, so long as they try to downplay it,

    'ginger people get abuse too ' like racism is just name calling.

    people making excuses for racism behaviours are as bad as the racist people.





  • The old nature/nurture debate. Which oft becomes political of late. For me anyway it's not an either/or thing, on the personal or societal level. We're neither blank slates nor gene robots. To figure which side a trait lays I would suggest looking at that trait across societies and human history. If it's present in some and not in others then it's likely learned, if it's consistently present across societies throughout history then it's likely inherent.

    Greed as a concept seems to arise when populations grow and springs out of resources and competition for same. In a small band of hunter gatherers you can have a greedless society. Indeed greed would be selected against, at least within such a society. The second there's a competition for resources with another small band all bets are off. When we first started to move into bigger urban populations and civilisation sprang up we accepted it as a problem and codified against it in law, organised religion and folk tales. Of course at the same time those who controlled the laws, religion and folk tales tended to display the worst vices of the same trait. Do as I say, not as I do. A very human trait. These days it can be seen in multi squilionaire flim stars flying around in private jets lecturing the plebs on climate change and the need to consume less.

    Racism, or rather a tendency to see belonging and by extension not belonging to a group which can and does come out in racism, is also present in every single culture and society on the planet since god was a boy. Outside the gates are the barbarians, the pagans, the other, the lesser, the feared.

    Few enough were innocent in the past, few enough are innocent in the present, we just don’t know why yet.





  • I think there are two aspects to this; explanation for something/excuse for something. Some use the former to cover the latter. I wouldn't. The example you give is well out of order, but sadly it happens and there are explanations for it. It's easier to just say ah well they're scumbags and come to one conclusion or the other depending on whether someone is an optimist or a pessimist. We can educate the scumbags(nurture), or we'll always have scumbags(nature). I'm not so sure there is an answer to such a complex set of questions, so I suppose I'm more on the pessimistic side and reckon we can educate some scumbags, but we'll always have them.

    If we ignore the clear realities of thousands of cultures over thousands of years, all we're left with is wishful thinking naivety. If wishes were horses beggars would ride.

    Few enough were innocent in the past, few enough are innocent in the present, we just don’t know why yet.





  • Humans are pattern recognition machines and all races, creeds and classes,looks, abilities engage in it, so the next generation is right around the corner.






  • Murder will always exist. But that doesn't stop us striving to reduce it to the absolute minimum we can possibly achieve.

    Racism is the same can we eliminate in all humans all racist thought for ever? No.

    Should we stop trying to reduce how acceptable many types of racism is in many circles of modern society even today in Ireland? No.

    Racism is wrong, no matter your personal feelings on whether that is a "nature or nurture" issue. We have the tools within education and legislation to reduce both the amount and the type of Racism that is acceptable in society today. All right thinking people should aspire to minimise the impact racism has on those around us and anything else is allowing racism to thrive were there is no need.


    Racism is wrong and it should be called out in all its forms all the time.





  • Murder is clear, and obvious racism is obvious but its turning into a religion as a gift and a weird type of virtue signalling puritanism like Scientology except the Thetans are now "cultural appropriation" and all the other nonsense (see wokism of the day thread) which ironically could create more actual racism just so that people can have the quiet life





  • Your opening statement doesn't even pass much muster at all.

    Murder is not always clear and obvious otherwise court proceedings in cases of homicide would be much easier than at present.

    There are many types of very overt and obvious racism that can be tackled very easily. I have already pointed out racism in sporting arenas. There are many people present who witness and allow that racism to happen so it can be tackled and it can be stopped. It just requires people to stop it.


    As for the use of the classic "virtue signalling" misdirection crap 🤣🤣 give over will ya.

    Next you will be saying trying to stop racism is cancelling your culture. 🙄



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  • you are going to nik pick my comment on murder on a casual posting forum like Boards After Hours of all places, I know what I mean, you know what I mean





  • Humans are instinctively tribal in all the forms that takes, but wed that to cúntery/dickheadedness and you have the ugly expression of racism.





  • I didn't Nit pick your comment. And I don't know what you mean. In the case of two men fighting and one dying we need a lot more information to decide if that was a murder or not. Murder is not always very obvious like I said.

    And many many examples of racism are very obvious. Would you not at least agree that all very obvious examples of racism should be abhorrent to all right thinking adults?

    Again I refer to the sports arenas where many many other people are witness to very obvious racism. Should that at a minimum not be deemed highly unacceptable in a modern society and deserving of punishment?




    Edit: Murder

    Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human with malice aforethought.





  • Exactly just because we have a dead person does not mean it was a murder.

    Similarly not all racism is overt and obvious like for example people being excluded from access to jobs based on their nationality or skin colour it might not be obvious and easy to spot but quite a lot of racism is also overt and obvious nature.

    We at a minimum should call out overt racism in all its forms as wrong and their should be some societal punishment for racist behaviour. Again referring back to sports arenas there are many many bystanders when very obvious racism is taking place and if they want it to stop they can immediately report it.

    So there are things society can do even if its only the most overt racism we tackle right now and seek to remove.

    As adults we can call out our friends when they make obvious racist humour. Again this is something we can all do. To try and say we are powerless and it will always exist is just accepting racism and allowing it.

    We can all help reduce racism in society if we want.





  • What societal punishment do you suggest for overt racism? Booing the players taking the knee, would you class that as racism? Is cultural appropriation racism? Is Ebun Joseph right to call out racism when she is served ribena? Is a black person referring to another black person as an N word racist? Is positive discrimination racist?





  • I had a hankering for a curry on Sat, cultural appropriation? then I looked to order from an Indian restaurant, stereotyping? Im sure some chinese and other restaurants do Indian food, but did I give them a chance? No. Can I get absolution anywhere?





  • Joking aside, cultural appropriation is often used as examples of racism (wearing traditional asian clothes, dreadlocks etc) so I am not sure if some people would class this as overt racism that should be called out.

    Also the use of the N word. If, as some say, we should call out people using that word as an example of overt racism, would they equally call out a black person using that word?



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  • I think you didn't answer.

    I don't think booing the players taking the knee is racist.

    I don't believe that cultural appropriation is racist.

    I think Ebun Joseph is a racist.

    I think that if we, as a society, declare that any usage of the N word is overtly racist, then it should be that way across all people.

    I completely disagree that positive discrimination is fair.



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