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Will racism ever end?

  • 10-09-2021 5:34pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭ Dublinandy3


    Just got off the phone with my wife, as she was walking a man slowed his car down, shouted racist abuse at her and laughed and drove off.

    She was upset, it's not the first time she's been abused and sadly I fear it won't be the last and as I consoled her I just thought, will it ever end?

    The man who did it obviously didn't see or care about the impact. I was just thinking, as long as there are humans will there be racism?

    As nice as they look I'm not sure media campaigns or people taking the knee etc will stop it, it obviously highlights it but doesn't it just highlight it and make an impact to those that wouldn't do it anyway?


    Will it ever stop? I'm not sure it will.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,588 ✭✭✭✭ Hello 2D Person Below


    Perhaps when our consciousness is uploaded to the cloud and replaced by some sort of software.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,041 ✭✭✭✭ odyssey06


    Well, we might meet an alien species and be species-ist to them instead.

    Or maybe all races will disappear and merge into one melange...



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,480 ✭✭✭✭ SEPT 23 1989


    It ends in the spilt second that something alien comes out of space and arrives here

    until that happens no



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ ShatterAlan



    Would you say the same thing to Jesse Owens? What are people supposed to do to bring attention to suffering and injustice?

    The black man has been lynched and fcuked up and banged up and stitched up. Are they all supposed to set themselves on fire like the monk in Saigon?

    That NFL player Colin Kaperniak [sp] is a paragon of strength and fortitude. The man's integrity is INTACT.

    You want to fly bombers over a football match then have the balls to accept those who don't wish to participate.


    Otherwise just kick the ball around and enjoy the day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭ kowloonkev


    If there is actually physical abuse, the threat of physical abuse or discrimination (in terms of access/service/employment) with evidence then report it to the relevant authorities just like any other crime. A certain amount of publicity is good for the above situations.

    But a constant ritual of taking the knee or having media reports every time a black person is racially abused online just gives off the air that these people just love complaining and being a forever victim, and sympathy will definitely wain. People get bored with constant complaining and it turns people who initially have sympathy against you, or at least uncaring to your plight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭ BalcombeSt4


    Right-wing people who think because Obama became president that mean't racism was officially dead, and anyone who deviates from this view is a snowflake militant communist, who wants to put everybody into fema camps.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭ randomname2005


    I don't believe so unless there is an earth threatening event, day after tomorrow scenario, independence day, something like that which destroys the world as we know it and forces a united approach from every individual to solve it. But even then I have my doubts.

    There will always be a section of society that feels hard done by. Some of those people will look to blame others. It can be a lot easier to say 'if it wasn't for the <Muslims, blacks, Jewish,...> Then my life would be better, I would have a better job, the government would be spending less on them and more on our own people.

    People will always need somebody to blame and race is an easy target.

    In addition to those you have the bigots and others who just believe that their race is the best and other races are lower quality of human, even when they have little to complain about. Education might help with this bunch but I wouldn't hold my breath.

    In summary, no, because there will always be a percentage of a$$holz.


    Edit: sorry to hear about the events above.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11 havana21


    I’m so sorry for your wife, these racist pigs don’t realise the negative impact they have on people’s lives. It would be nice if we could obliterate it but sadly some people will never change. Hopefully karma will one day visit them!



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,289 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_maxx


    With the ever expanding grievance hustler industry?


    Not a chance

    Real racism is stupid, no one is superior to another person based on racial difference.

    Cultural difference is a different matter



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 59,187 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    Thinking more on this, I'm not so sure it would end. After the intitial shock of the new, you'd likely get that old human jostling for advantage with the new arrivals and some groups would support them, others would not and a Them and Us could be fostered along those lines. Look at when the Spanish showed up in the Americas. They arrived in their giant boats like "aliens" looking quite different to the locals, with other worldly technology and horses and quite the number of local groups allied themselves with them to fight their existing enemies.

    Depends on the nature of the aliens too I suppose.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,780 ✭✭✭✭ B.A._Baracus


    Sadly, it will never stop.

    People are assholes. Not everyone. But enough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭ Tell me how


    The chance to travel, experience, observe and mix with other races today bears no relation to the vast majority of time that humans have walked the planet and if there was an ability to score the average persons awareness of or opportunity for integration (for however long) of other cultures throughout that time there would have been a massive jump in such a metric within the last 50 odd years as TV, the internet and access to low cost travel changed these things.

    These opportunities are unlikely to change (although low cost travel probably should) and so it is simply wrong to suggest people didn't mix so much throughout history and as a consequence are unlikely to do so in future. It is clear some people wish that this would be the case but the trends suggest otherwise.

    In the US, the rate of new marriages that are interracial grew nearly 6 fold between 1967 and 2015 to nearly 1 in 5 being such. As generations go by and kids from these marriages look for partners, you would think the concept of race matching won't even enter most of their minds.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 59,187 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    Plausible in theory, but in practice not so much. Yes we have more chances to travel, but you're mistaking speed and convenience for volume and permanence and as I noted the majority of it is temporary and nothing like the mass movements of people that occurred in the European age of colonisation, or under Rome, or the Caliphates for a few examples(there are more across the world and history). Yep, in the past people couldn't go for a week in the sun, but when they did travel, they almost always stayed where they travelled to and were more likely to end up with a "local" with it. And travel people did, usually on the back of conquest, political change and economics.

    Secondly you use America as an example. One of those European colonies that sucked in a load of different cultures and people(many of whom unwillingly of course). Where different "races" were jammed together and even in those examples the trend was and remains the same. People overwhelmingly choose to be with and have children with people most like themselves. That interracial marriages grew since 1967 is hardly a shock as before that date it was illegal in many states, but 50+ years later the current rate is 15 odd % of marriages. Even within that percentage there are racial differences and racial undertones with it. For example White Americans are least likely to be in an interracial marriage(around 2%). There are gender differences too, so there are over double the number of marriages of Black American men to White American women compared to the opposite setup. The least likely by a good measure is Asian American man with Black American woman. On the other hand the most common pairing is a White American man with an Asian American woman. Asian American and Black pairings are a tiny minority. Hispanic Americans when they marry outside that category overwhelmingly marry White Americans(and only in American notions would you have Spanish Americans as "non White"). Women in general have been found to state a stronger preference for "one of their own" compared to men in general and had more caveats along racial lines. Even in Latin America where interracial pairings are about the highest on the planet, the majority still marry in rather than marry out.

    Not exactly the simple "melting pot" at all and as I said these are in environments where different groups co-exist and similar patterns are found throughout the same ex European colonies. In the rest of the world, much of it not multicultural in the Western sense the percentages are much lower and again similar trends are in play. Interracial pairings are the minority, men are more likely to marry a different "race", women less likely and more likely to marry closer to "their own" and it seems there are still hierarchies of social "acceptablity" along racial lines in place. In the UK which is multicultural and has been for many generations under 10% were in an interracial setup and the majority of them were of mixed background themselves.

    So not much of a trend towards the human race ending up all sallow skinned, with black hair and brown eyes.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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