Is the jnlr a load of nonsense ?

Shan Doras

Would the Irish times have sold Red and Beat if things for radio were as rosy as the industry portray on jnlr day 🤔

TheBMG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958006#Comment_121958006

the opposite is also true here. Would Bauer really buy all these radio stations if things are as glum as some people say?

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121870196#Comment_121870196

I don't think they include shop music, heard RTÉ Gold in a service station the other day, so that's them of the JNLR list.

Shan Doras

If the jnlrs were changed from fillings out a diary to wearing a device (or just an app on their phone) that would pick up exactly what the participants are listening to, I wonder how different the results would be?

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122197107#Comment_122197107

When implemented in the US, it hammers niche stations that people over-report listening to (religious and foreign language stations, something we either don't have in JNLR or don't have at all; specialist music which we barely have) and rams up the main stations that get played in shops, cafes, petrol stations etc.

Sheep Shagger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958214#Comment_121958214

Suspect by ramping up their portfolio it will make networking more feasible in the near future. Outside of peak times stripping out costs etc.

Greengrass53

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123115568#Comment_123115568

Not anymore. Smart speakers took care of them i afraid.

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123115568#Comment_123115568

It's funny because even when we did have Radio's with batteries I don't remember ever having batteries in them, I know my Granny used to sleep with one of those small portable radios ones by her pillow, the worst sound off it.

I thought it was funny that IBI were saying how they would keep people up to date, did any of their towers / offices have outages.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123116335#Comment_123116335

Radio studios and primary broadcast sites are required to have backup power by their CnaM contracts.

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123116609#Comment_123116609

So did any go off air due to the weather any outages ?

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123116729#Comment_123116729

None that I'm aware of

rolling boh

You would think that most radio's have preset stations that you can switch around a lot does that qualify you as a listener to all the shows?

Infoanon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123116734#Comment_123116734

I think Galwat Bay FM were off for a while following a power outage at the studios

squonk

I think we’re starting to get to the point where the title of this thread is true today No no if the results on RTE R1. In previous times there would’ve been front and centre on most news broadcasts. Admittedly there are a lot of more important stories to fit into the news but it’s kind of telling. Also, there can’t be too many younger people actively listening to the radio these days.

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123141649#Comment_123141649

Depends on what too many, younger people and actively listening means. They don't measure under 15 years of age. In my world 15-24 and 25-34 are younger. The RTE Radio 1 results are generally good. With the continuing increase in the population, there should be more listeners all the time anyway.

https://about.rte.ie/2025/02/06/latest-jnlr-rte-listenership-figures-released-2/

RTÉ 2FM is the most popular radio station in the country for 15 to 34-year-olds. Among 15-34s, YoY share has increased for 2fm – now 12.1% versus 11.7% YoY.

squonk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123141873#Comment_123141873

2FM being the most popular station amongst 15-34 yo kind of trumps the feeling on the 2FM thread. I find it kind of hard to believe if I’m honest.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123141925#Comment_123141925

Spin would be the only station I, personally, have heard anyone under 30 talk about. That’s Dublin centric so maybe 2FM pulls ahead due to be nationwide?

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123141925#Comment_123141925

You can't do audience research based on feelings, and vague stuff like there can't be too many younger people actively listening. It needs real figures.

dxhound2005

Morning Ireland has the highest listenership to any programme, according to the figures. But the programme thread on the Radio Forum has no new posts since 11 October 2024. There are regular posts telling RTE to sack the hosts of programmes which give them some of their highest ratings. RTE would be mad to pay any attention to such feelings.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123141989#Comment_123141989

Morning Ireland serves its purpose well and doesn't really need commentary.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123141989#Comment_123141989

I'm just critical of the newspaper review and the staggering amount of presenters they use given that RTE is broke.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123124029#Comment_123124029

It does appear that this is the government's answer to private radio not receiving any of the licence fee. An Irish solution to an Irish problem.

Expunge

If you're really interested in how it's done, here's the Methodology Statement from Ipsos from 2023…

196297-JNLR Methodology Report

My biggest concern is the sample size for weekend listening is less than half the size of the weekday sample, putting a question mark on the reliability of the weekend listenership figures:

Sample is distributed as follows:

Dublin; Week Day: 3,000 Week End: 800

Cork; Week Day:1,000 Weekend:400

Local franchise area; Week Day:480 Week End: 190

Resulting in: Annual sample; Week Day: 12,160 Week End: 4,430

RoTelly

RTÉ need 2FM to preform well in that age bracket, they invest public funding and need to suggest it is their main brand for that market. Otherwise they can't say smugly "Ms Doherty said public calls to axe RTÉ’s 2fm would ‘cut the link to the younger listener’ and that would ‘kill RTÉ entirely’."

PixelCrafter

I'd strongly suspect PR companies and advertising buyers do their own research on this. There are solid media monitoring companies out there and it's not that difficult to collect data and compare it to sales spikes, or mentions of product on social media and so on.

Tork

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123142119#Comment_123142119

I was surveyed by a JNLR person a few years ago, though many of the details are now hazy in my mind. One thing I still remember for definite was her blank look when I told her I had been listening to RTE Gold. She didn't seem to know anything about smart speakers or online radio stations. I was pottering around outside when she called, so perhaps that's why I was chosen.

There certainly are questions to be asked about the methodology. With doorbell cameras becoming more prevalent, strangers carrying clipboards are going to find it harder to have doors opened to them. Scams have made people more wary of answering their phones to unknown numbers. And that's before you get to younger people who are traumatised if anybody dares to phone them. Maybe the radio industry don't want to acknowledge that listening habits have changed because it brings their entire existence into focus.

PixelCrafter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123115568#Comment_123115568

Yeah, I think that's a big one.

A high % of households only have FM radios in their cars.

I was just talking to an older relative of mine who is in their late 80s and she was complaining about the lack of choice on FM in Dublin.

If she tunes around the dial, in her view there's nothing except music stations, mostly playing very similar music. Every time she puts on what she considers a decent programme, it shifts over to playing playlist pop music and she turns off.

She tends to listen to a smart speaker nowadays or watch tv as she says she can't find anything worth listening to on the radio and I think that's pretty stark when it's the nearly 90 year olds doing that!

TheBMG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123148862#Comment_123148862

sadly for your relative there’s sime simple reasons commercial radio tends to ignore older demos. They don’t need to spend money and they’re generally slow to change their purchasing habits.

Tork

The older demographic is a wider age band now. I consider myself (late 40's) to be in a demographic nobody wants. Local radio is dire where I live. Daytime 2FM and Today FM are not for me or my age group. Radio 1's music is trying to be all things to all men and is trying to encompass people of my age and people of my parents' generation. I have friends who have resorted to Lyric FM because it's the only half listenable station on FM. Yet we're the people who are generally comfortably off and have the money to spend. We're still youthful enough to be doing things we enjoy, yet for some reason we're bundled in with 70 year olds. I rarely even use the FM radio in my car any more because it's not worth the trouble. As soon as I get in, Android Auto is the only show in town.

dxhound2005

Radio 1 has only 1 hour of music between 07:00 and 20:00. Anyone listening outside of those hours is part of a small audience. Probably the most listened to programme is Creedon with 61,000 in this JNLR?

One thing which remains constant is that the RTE stations combined are always under 50% in all age groups, all regions and all time slots. Local radio is very big in parts of the country.

"Across the various regional areas throughout the country, National Radio holds the majority share position in Dublin (53.7%) and the greater Dublin Commuter belt (54.2%). On the other hand, Local/Regional radio is in the majority in the other regions throughout the country, in particular, achieving its highest share in Cork (60.8%), in the South-West (61.7%) and in the North-West (58.9%) region of the country."