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Wales is like Ireland should/could have been



  • The Welsh identity has no global footprint, its really no different to Cornish or Yorkshire, a region of the UK

  • Spot on in relation to the place names and asking for directions

  • Well that was my point. If you were born in Wales back in the day, the farthest you probably had to go if you went anywhere was probably to London for a few years and then come home. Most likely just grew up, lived, and died in Wales. So they didn't have the same necessity to start speaking English

    If a million Welsh had to up sticks and move en mass to USA in the span of a couple of decades in the 19th century alone, you can be sure there would be a big Welsh footprint there now

  • I never thought of Wales as a country in the same sense of Ireland , or Scotland even. Happy to be apart of England really.

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  • 95 year old tits at at that, I wish she kept them to herself.

  • The joys of living away from suburbs mean, well, you don't have the joys of living in a suburb. Unless you expect Bus Eireann to roam around all the little roads of rural Ireland twice an hour and pick up no-one, stopping at every house & laneway, someone will be unhappy.

    From Wikipedia;

    [quote]Within Wales, Gwynedd has the highest proportion of speakers of the Welsh language. The greatest concentration of Welsh speakers in Gwynedd is found in and around Caernarfon.[/quote]

    It seems the OP went to the Welsh version of the Gaeltacht, and thought that Wales is great. Dear lawd :D

  • The Welsh people are mostly grand but at rugby matches they don't always come across well.

    As mentioned, they are not as independence seeking as the Scots but thankfully there is nowhere near the level of religious bigotry and sectarianism that is widespread in Scotland.

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  • 1) Wales, and most other countries, have development in towns and villages so public transport is kinda viable but still needs lots of taxpayer support. Ireland has ribbon development along all it's roads and boreens so public transport isn't viable no matter how much money is thrown at it.

    2) The Welsh language revival is not that old, only in the last 20/30 years, and was a grass routes initiative at the start to try to reclaim Welsh heritage and not be confused with being English.

    3) Wales is one of the most deprived areas in the UK. You can't compare the cost of a pint without comparing everything else.

  • OP - try go to Bangor , Conwy or Holyhead, even in Cardiff go one street back from the main thoroughfare and the place is an utter dump. Wales is not somewhere we should aspire to. Total kip.

  • It’s a Principality

    a pathetic excuse of a country , if it was one , which it’s not ,really

  • Sounds a bit like Hitler, those english, to be honest. Irish as an inferior race? Yikes. All people are equal.

    In the Netherlands we think the opposite, we think we are better than everybody else.

  • Where did you think Hitler and Chairman Mao got their ideas from ?

    The British wrote the play book on how to completely take over a nation and remove all vestiges of its culture and history and even invent myths

    Hitler used Irish history as a propaganda weapon in Germany during the 1930s , even made some god awful films on the 1916-1921 period .

    Mao was amazed by how the British had governed Ireland and totally wiping out for of its rich history (once a centre of education in Ireland etc ) we all know how good he was with wiping out culture etc

    thankfully , not every Irish person suffers that inferiority guff anymore and why should we ?

    ya, the Dutch come across as rather arrogant but in a good way , especially in sport eg Luis Van Gaal (his antics before the Ireland game in September 2001)

  • Yeah, Hitler - the guy who overran the Netherlands in 5 days.

    "All people are equal" The Dutch East Indies operated a strict caste system. Guess who was at the top.

    After liberation by those people who "sound a bit like Hitler" the Dutch sent their military to reclaim their colonial possessions and fight the Indonesian nationalists.

    I suggest you study your own history.

  • Adolf and Mao didn't need to borrow ideas from anybody.

    When your as determined and unscrupulous as they were to get power you can figure it out for yourself.

  • People don’t want to speak the language here. The Irish education system is generally better than the U.K.

  • The Irish population wasn’t that much smaller than the English population until the famine.

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  • Public service obligations. Private buses can also tender for those. This is a pan European thing.

  • I've been to Wales a few times and found it to be incredibly grim. It is most definitely not somewhere Ireland should aspire to be.

    Although I was quite surprised at the amount of people speaking Welsh which was nice. I used to go out with a girl from Colwyn Bay which has one of the highest levels of spoken Welsh.

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  • In fairness we lost our culture through brutality and ethnic cleansing/anglicisation; f** them :)

  • all Welsh I met were the same Loud, arrogant and annoying. they think they are a great laugh which they are not

    Worse then the Scots which says something in itself.

  • Wales is in no way any sort of model for Ireland to aspire to. The country is one of the most impoverished regions of the UK, its former heavy industry ravaged by globalisation and the legacy of the savage policies of the 1980s Thatcher administration in London.

    But I would argue, from the point of a geographer, that it is in fact geography that has played the most important role of Wales having so much less of a desire for independence than Scotland.

    Wales is long and narrow in shape, has a very long border with England, the central part is very mountainous and thus very sparsely populated and the urbanised and developed parts - along the North and South coasts - are poorly connected together and are much more closely connected to their adjacent parts of England.

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  • But in many parts of Wales, Welsh is simply the main spoken language of the area. Infants will pick it up because it is the language parents speak to each other and other members of the family. It is not because it is taught in school. It is the first language of children in the area before they even go to school.

  • I would say a lot of them don't know they don't speak Irish because they haven't been in a situation where Irish is spoken and they have found themselves wanting. Their experience of Irish would be passing the leaving cert at ordinary level. They probably do know that the don't speak, for example, Spanish from holidays abroad where when Spaniards speak to each other in their language and the Irish holidaymaker does not understand.

    Contrast this with the Welsh person who does not speak Welsh. He probably knows he doesn't speak Welsh because there are parts of Wales where Welsh is the dominant local language. The non-speaker of Welsh knows that in those areas he won't understand the locals if they speak Welsh.

  • Most dictators lack original thought

    Everyone takes inspiration from others. Whether it was the British Empire , Roman Empire etc

    Why would he bring in an unproven plan or project of your own when there’s a perfectly good tried and tested model all ready out there ?

    Mao did study how Britain sought to subjugate the Irish . Made total sense for him to do it , it worked in Ireland and it worked for him

    If you want to be a despot or build an Empire , the British playbook won’t do you any harm ; it’s more subtle and tactical than the Yanks model

  • In that case the census forms should have an option whether or not you can speak it conversationally. A more telling indicator about seriousness to use Irish are the number of forms returned completed in Irish, which isn't very many.

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  • i never heard them speaking Welsh. Are you sure they weren’t speaking English with their thick Welsh accent?? It can be very difficult to understand when they talk amongst themselves.