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Wales is like Ireland should/could have been



  • They don't know they don't speak Irish well, after bumbling through it for the guts of 20 years in school and never speaking it again? Give the general population the tiniest bit of credit - it's not a nation of simpletons. It's not Japanese, they hear it on the radio and on television all the time.

    Most people are very up front about it if they can't speak more than a few words or understand very basic sentences in Irish. People are likely just being generous to themselves in the census responses, not genuinely deluded to the point of thinking they speak Irish like a Spaniard speaks Spanish.

  • Ah Wales.... The Connacht of England

  • I think this thread is the worst trolling in Boards history.

  • Mao didn't want an empire, he wanted revolution and a unified China - and to be the boss. He claimed to be an anti-imperialist. The origin of British imperialism was different to Mao's political ideology. You can make a connection between the British and Ireland and Mao - it would be more useful to make the comparison between Mao and Stalin.

    If Hitler got his ideas from the British - that turned out well didn't it. He seemed to have lost that subtlety you mentioned.

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  • If Wales can escape from control of the Royal family if would be a great place to live in, its possible they could be free within the next 100 years

  • Could you not pick something more attractive like France or somewhere op?

  • That sounds a lot like irish people, with the omission of the conviction "sure everyone loves the irish ".

  • No the Irish are on the majority quiet, harmless souls, some are loud and boisterous but the Welsh love themselves. They make corkonians look reserved.

  • Can't see the thread title without thinking of Alan Partridge proclaiming Wings to be the band the Beatles could have been.

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  • That has got to be one of the most ignorant posts on boards and that is saying something. North Wales is beautiful and there was a lot of Irish emigration to North Wales, Wrexham has a sizable Irish community, Parts of north Wales are a lot poorer than Ireland.

  • Ireland is way more modern than Wales. My defining memory of North Wales in particular was that it was like stepping back 40 years into some kind of 1970s time warp

    Although I do think the progress we made infrastructure wise is slowing down.

  • Wales is in steep decline, their industries are dead and dying, that was even before Brexit, with massive societal issues such as generational unemployment and addiction rampant even in rural areas.

  • Ruthin is a bit different it's a well-off place. There is some chi chi, well of, fashionable bits of north Wales that have a significant amount of English living there or English who have second homes in the area I don't think they are the sort of places the OP is talking about.

  • Yeah, bit of a kip to be honest, nothing seems to ever go on there and best part of it is probably the road out

  • Never been myself but have relatives who live there

  • Im from Dublin and have been living just outside Cardiff for the last 5 years and would have to say the total opposite applies to number one. The train service make the Dart seem like a luxury. By an large its privately run public transport and quite pricey compared to home.There are of course things they do better but by and large the standard of living is below Ireland.

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  • I totally agree with all of OP sentiments. Welsh is pretty much omnipresent in a lot of areas of north Wales, and eg Anglesey is equivalent to a Gaeltacht area in Ireland, as is the mountainous area of Snowdonia. Throughout Wales you will hear instances of Welsh being spoken, including in the capital, Cardiff, much more so than Ireland. I find the Welsh a little more insular than Irish folk, but if you make the effort to enthuse about local culture, language etc, you will make good friends easily. Like the Scots, and indeed all Celts, they can have a quirky wry sense of humour, which can make encounters interesting. Wales is a wonderful place for a holiday with so much to see and do.

  • Ruthin definitely seemed one of the nicer towns i've been to in Wales. Very close to beautiful countryside too.

  • As a foreigner I prefer Ireland over Wales big time. Yes, Wales is nice to visit and there is great scenery but I find their cities/towns (especially Cardiff) quite depressing.

  • Wales has the M4 motorway to London. Most of the rest isn't even dual carriage way.

    The east of the country has been swallowed up by England and the English. It's an Bhreatain Bheag. Little Britain.

  • While I have some pleasant memories in rural parts of Wales, if I never visit Wrexham again, it'll be too soon. One of the most depressing kips I've ever been to.

    I don't think Wales has much for Ireland to aspire towards, no.

  • As I pointed out before on the thread, IMO the geography of Wales is a major factor in the country being much more Anglicised than, say, Scotland.

    Wales shares a very long land border with England, the parts of Wales close to that border - places like Newport and Wrexham - are so Anglicised you would think you are still in England. Indeed the Welsh county of Monmouthshire was annexed by England in the 15th Century and only "returned" to Wales in 1972.

    Because the central two thirds of Wales is very mountainous and sparsely populated Wales has very poor North-south connectivity and the populated South and North Welsh coasts are much closer linked into England than to each other.

    But the fact that the Welsh language has seen a very successful revival since the 1960s/70s is something Ireland should study.

  • The area along the Scottish border with England is every bit and more pro union as the Welsh England border area in Wales

    Referring to the Scottish Borders

  • Yes, indeed that may be, but if you look at the geography of Scotland compared to Wales, apart from being much larger in size, the border with England is short compared to the rest of the country and the urbanized, populated Central Belt of Scotland is a good bit North of the border.

    Geography definitely plays a major role in why Wales was subjugated and anglicised by England much earlier and far more thoroughly than Scotland.

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  • That is correct, Scotland ( important population areas ) are far more self sufficient, Wales relies on England nearly everywhere