I don't want a "3rd" vaccine

crooked cockney villain · 31-07-2021 8:04am #1

So the other week I got a vaccine, Pfizer. As somebody who suffered a very mild bout of Covid in May I expected that, as promised by government, I would only be having one shot, as having had Covid 6 months prior to infection meant you had by default one shot prior.

Those giving the shot disagreed, I decided not to argue it as I just wanted to get out, as with everything with the government's disastrous roll out of this thing they likely hadn't been informed of the change in rules, although logically seeing as about 1 in 30 people coming in would be a Covid recoveree I was baffled as to how they had never been asked this before.

Herself was going for hers two days later, Covid recovered like myself, again was told she would need a second jab. Argued the point, again staff either didn't know or pretended not to know.

Government decided this in late April.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/healthy-under-50s-who-had-covid-to-be-considered-fully-vaccinated-after-one-jab-1.4548886

What exactly is the story here? Am I getting one or am I not? If I am getting one what changed in the science from April to July? Why were the staff unaware of something so important? I don't want a second vaccine, or a third as it now is, they're frankly lucky enough I agreed to the one I had given how rushed it is. I don't see why I shouldn't receive my full freedom cert on what was decided in April (currently have the 6 months valid recovered one)

horse7 · 31-07-2021 8:14am

You sound like a child, your an adult, make your own decisions.

crooked cockney villain · 31-07-2021 8:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117685823#Comment_117685823

I want my fully vaccinated cert now, as agreed in April by the government. I don't want another vaccine as the government ruled it was not necessary in April. It isn't my own decision, the government have indicated that my rights of travel, access to venues, eventually even employment, will be effected by whether I do or do not have one of these certs. I currently have one only valid until November. Nothing childish about it. Childish is the people who hang on every word of the NPHET Gods.

HerrKapitan · 31-07-2021 8:19am

Jeez, don't ever call it a freedom cert.

31-07-2021 8:23am

What has changed since the start of mass role out, vaccine availability. Plus, sorry, this is a global Pandemic of a novel virus. How it reacts is unknown. I feel like the government should issue a public statement apologising to you. That, or firing all the teachers that had influence over you throughout your education

If you got covid the antibodies don't seem to last more than 6 months.

People are still dying or getting long covid over this.

Finally, if you think you are done after 2 jabs of the Pfizer vaccine, dream on... in anticipation of your future breathless thread.

HBC08 · 31-07-2021 8:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058201616/i-dont-want-a-3rd-vaccine

Ive seen some of your other posts on here.

The reality is you got the jab because you want indoor scoops and you'll do what you're told to get it.

horse7 · 31-07-2021 8:26am

Make your own decision, grow up,and face up to the evolving situation where you have to accept the changes as they happen, and as new insights into the pandemic are reviewed.

airy fairy · 31-07-2021 8:47am

Don't blame the workers that are administering the vaccines. They do just that, administer vaccines. They are given instructions on doing such. They are not there to know what has been said, hasn't been said.

The virus, it's treatments, the vaccines, it's all new. Things change. Research develops around ever changing findings.

Similar to guidelines on isolations, restrictions, symptoms, it's all changing, all of the time.

Think about it. You've had the virus and a cert to say same. You've been given a booster to help those antibodies, a jab. But your virus antibodies will disappear soon and you'll be left with mRNA which can only do half it's Job. Back in April it was thought antibodies from the virus would last longer. It turns out not to be the case.

Stop moaning, get your vaccination completed or stay outside with your pint.

But remember, you may have to have a third booster, or a mixed vaccine like a viral vector one in due course, who knows, but don't blame the workers who are just doing what they're doing. They know no more than anyone else.

SEPT 23 1989 · 31-07-2021 8:50am

That’s the kind of talk that will get you into trouble

be a good lad and take your medicine

Lumen · 31-07-2021 8:57am

1+1=2

I assumed this thread would be about boosters. 😄

JPup · 31-07-2021 8:57am

You’ll get the digital pass after one dose as far as I know if you’ve had a confirmed covid case recently but you’ll still be given a date for a second dose and recommended to take it. Up to you if you want to follow the medical advice or not.

Nozebleed · 31-07-2021 9:03am

stand up and have your voice heard OP. i fully agree with your stance..as you can see there's plenty of people out there who are willing to call you a child, selfish, a coward etc...but this is about you,your civil liberties,your health. ..you can see this is a right **** show from start to finish, its doesn't take a genius to work that out.

When the next election comes round be sure to let them know. then again depending on you're vaccine status or freedom cert...they might not allow you in the building to vote!

people have had enough.

CptMonkey · 31-07-2021 9:05am

Take the second dose. And leave the people giving the jabs alone. They are just doing their job

31-07-2021 9:09am

Jesus, tall about an entitled temper tantrum. OP grow up and realise that government decision are based on politics and they will take the minimum recommended action every time.

This process has led to ALL of their public climbdowns and Varadkar-isms (like Christmas). Medical/Scientific professionals continuously stress that actions are provisional, based on ever accumulating evidence

Take your medical advice from the medics

Risteard81 · 31-07-2021 9:32am

I disagree. Do what's right for you. I have not and will not take any doses of these potions - not even one.

MarkR · 31-07-2021 9:35am

If you don't want it, don't take it. Enjoy your cans at home. We'll try to struggle on without you.

Sleeper12 · 31-07-2021 9:35am

You say it was agreed? Who exactly agreed this with you?

What I have learned over the last 18 months is that the pandemic is a fluid thing. A year ago people thought cash money was a health risk. They thought children were super spreaders.

The government are already planning for winter booster shots for people who have already gotten 2 shots.

If you only wanted one shot then you should have opted for the J&J vaccine

airy fairy · 31-07-2021 9:37am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686016#Comment_117686016

Why are you even reading and posting here so?

riveratom · 31-07-2021 9:40am

You are pleading for the government to give you a piece of paper so you can “have your freedom”? Have a long hard look over your post and let us know what you see.

Risteard81 · 31-07-2021 9:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686038#Comment_117686038

Because the unelected "government" haven't yet extended their illegal vaccine passport to posting on boards.ie perhaps...

Heraclius · 31-07-2021 9:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686049#Comment_117686049

Goodness you've already forgotten the election last year!

Risteard81 · 31-07-2021 9:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686051#Comment_117686051

Is that the one where FF & FG guaranteed that they wouldn't form a coalition with each other?

Heraclius · 31-07-2021 9:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686058#Comment_117686058

I don't want to derail a thread but you do know that parties always act like they'll be a majority government before the election? The people voted and the only plausible majority was FF/FG/Green. If you don't like the government that's a different thing but the country is much better off without the carry on of claiming an elected majority government isn't legitimate.

Risteard81 · 31-07-2021 9:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686076#Comment_117686076

It is not a legitimate government. Not in any sense of the word. And they are utterly tyrannical.

31-07-2021 9:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686087#Comment_117686087

In the sense that the people elected their representatives and the representatives appointed the government, who made decisions subsequently ratified by the representatives, which is 100% the essence of representative democracy.

airy fairy · 31-07-2021 10:12am

Most of the kids, 19/20 year olds in queues upon queues this morning, waiting for a vaccine, actually voted last year, and are continuing on their journey to get Ireland back to where we were pre Covid.... And those 16+ are in those queues too, without being forced by a parent, (no guardian needed).....delighted those young people are educated enough to realise the privileged position they are in.

El Weirdo · 31-07-2021 10:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686087#Comment_117686087

Seriously dude, do you even read the bollocks you post?

Ficheall · 31-07-2021 10:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058201616/i-dont-want-a-3rd-vaccine

Had they said in late April that you should get three jabs and then changed it to two, would you be demanding your third jab?

crooked cockney villain · 31-07-2021 11:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686027#Comment_117686027

I deliberately didn't go for the J and J vaccine because I thought it was scandalous that the government had no system to prevent people who already had Covid from getting this vaccine, effectively wasting it when it should go to somebody who only needs 1 shot. You could see that in my post history if this site hadn't nuked itself and left it impossible to find old posts.

The "trust science" vibe from half the posters here is hilarious given the amount of lies, half truths and doctored/ misrepresented stats and reports we have been given from our betters since early 2020. It's embarrassing to see grown adults beg for their spoon feeding.

crooked cockney villain · 31-07-2021 11:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117685846#Comment_117685846

Pretty much. Government won't allow me fully resume my social life without it. What's your point?

crooked cockney villain · 31-07-2021 11:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686044#Comment_117686044

The freedom movement is a tricky one for me, in that it has its merits but has a horrible leadership. Ben Gilroy, Dee Webster, Waters and Gemma, we need an alternative voice, unfortunately the absolute headers seized control of the narrative and there's nobody mainstream on it bar Michael McGrath.

31-07-2021 12:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686482#Comment_117686482

The point being everyone here knows you'd crawl through broken glass to get a 5th vaccine if it meant getting indoor scoops.

crooked cockney villain · 31-07-2021 12:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117685897#Comment_117685897

"Don't blame the workers".....these were nurses, healthcare professionals. I find it a bit off that they have such a lack of interest or knowledge n what they are doing that they were either unaware, or pretended not to know, that the government had decided in April that Covid recoverees only needed 1 shot but then seem to have shelved this plan without any notice given to the public. This was the biggest news story of the day when it broke in late April, for the two nurses to either have no knowledge of it, or pretend that they didn't, is a staggering lack of understanding of one's own job. You wouldn't trust a mechanic who was unaware of any new standards the NCT had recently put out, why is this any different?

I find it difficult to believe that given 1 in 30 odd vaccine recipients would have caught Covid in 2021, that they were not asked this question several times by said recovered people.

Not good enough, but it is the standard you come to expect off public services in this country.

crooked cockney villain · 31-07-2021 12:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686531#Comment_117686531

Absolutely I would. You seem to find it humourous that I am willing to accede to whatever bizarre request this government comes up with in order to alleviate the crippling depression and loneliness I have felt since March 2020. Cans in your mate's gaff is great once in a while but for 18 months it is just not the same, that's why pubs exist in the first place.

31-07-2021 12:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686087#Comment_117686087

We need more civics lessons in Ireland.

airy fairy · 31-07-2021 12:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686556#Comment_117686556

You've no respect for health professionals, who take instructions on administration of vaccines, they don't, and can't, hand out advice or know what coming next. I have sympathy for those who you encountered at the vaccination centre.

Quite clearly, you have an issue with alcohol as you admit you are taking a vaccine, not to prevent serious illness from Covid, but to be able to drink alcohol.

You must have decreased in height over the last year, the chips on your shoulders must have you almost in the ground!

Do yourself a favour, don't bother with any more vaccines, because those poor vaccinators would get the brunt of your issues if you were to attend.

bucketybuck · 31-07-2021 12:27pm

I can understand people who are hesitant about getting this vaccine, I do think people are allowed to have concerns without immediately being labelled anti vaxxers.

But getting the first dose and then whinging about having to get the second? Thats just inane, and hard to take seriously. Its already in you mate, no point crying about it now.

sydthebeat · 31-07-2021 12:33pm

Here's a free potentially life saving medicine which you are free to take or not, and if you take it you can help get our economy off its knees by being safer to be around other people indoors

..... But but but...

Muh luberties.....

ressem · 31-07-2021 12:39pm

The government talking about it in April only shows a possible future intent.

The EU legislation was done in mid June,

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32021R0953

It wasn't until July 2nd that the statutory instrument was signed in Ireland which makes use of the EU legislation. (link below)

The HSE actually implementing it on the ground, getting the supporting docs from GPs and medical centers. Pretty sure that it'll be faster to get the 2nd vaccination done.

As for expecting health center workers, trained to apply vaccinations, to be more up-to-date on the progress of legislation than yourself? Not in their training yet, and they could get in legal trouble for consequences after providing incorrect information. In any job after being stung a few times, you learn to hit the mute/redirect button when unsure.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2021/si/318/made/en/print

Oranage2 · 31-07-2021 12:40pm

If you didn't want a third dose then why did you contract covid in the first place

riclad · 31-07-2021 12:51pm

There's medical reasons to get a 2nd vaccine, it's been shown a second vaccine given about 4 weeks after the first one gives full protection against covid 19

Of course with the delta varient it will still be necessary to wear masks in some places as its still possible to get covid even after being double vaxxed

The delta covid varient is more contagious than the original virus

There's an app for most uses why don't they hse make an app that shows your medical status,

Eg Joe bloggs got 2 vaccines in 2021 in Ireland etc

As many places will now require proof of vaccination to go inside

Eg concerts , pubs

ressem · 31-07-2021 1:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686702#Comment_117686702

Why would a phone app be better/faster than the current method using a reliable old emailed PDF?

As I've been helping colleagues to print their email, I nominate riclad to the role of Boards technical telephone support in getting the digital cert App to display on their windows Nokia phone on a Friday night, as they stand outside the pub.

31-07-2021 1:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686481#Comment_117686481

Being a, you know, science grad I do tend to trust science.

I didn't get my information from the University of Facebook

31-07-2021 5:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686545#Comment_117686545

why would you expect nurses to know about molecular biology, virology, or vaccine mode of operation?

31-07-2021 5:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686702#Comment_117686702

Ummm, you do know that your can scan your vaccine passport to the HSE COVID app...

It also displays the QR code to be scanned, which I've cropped out for obvious reasons

31-07-2021 5:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686897#Comment_117686897

See my post above lad.

Just scan it into the HSE COVID tracker app

degsie · 31-07-2021 5:18pm

Not everyone grows up, but when it comes to your physical health you need to think like an adult.

martingriff · 31-07-2021 5:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117685919#Comment_117685919

You are not alone

listermint · 31-07-2021 5:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117685937#Comment_117685937

Your right the people have had enough... Of vacines to fill nearly all of the adult population.

Because unlike yourself people aren't following loolahs on Facebook and Twitter and spreading utter drivel from fringe grifter ex doctors and nurses who use simple minds for money.

It's great to see and I for one am happy that Ireland is filled with sensible people. The very same people pulling their weight to keep you and yours out of trouble.

Just because you don't want to pull your Weight and look past your own front door doesn't matter a jot. The stats and the queues Today don't lie.

Eire Abu

31-07-2021 6:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117688018#Comment_117688018

;)

HBC08 · 31-07-2021 11:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686482#Comment_117686482

It's always funny to see lads who are used to posting nonsense in the restrictions thread and getting lots of thanks come out of the echo chamber and get a hard landing that 95% of the population don't agree with you.

Your convictions don't run that deep.

I don't want a "3rd" vaccine

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