I don't want a "3rd" vaccine

beachhead

There is no legal requirement in the ROI to obtain a first,second or even a third covid vaccine.Not yet anyway.A possible 15% in every so called age group will decline to be vaccinated.Figures as of 1st Aug.No sources will be referenced for the 15%,it might be 10% next month and so on,so on and on

Lumen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117689398#Comment_117689398

It's mathematically impossible for 15% in every age group to decline.

Unless there's some deeper meaning of "so called age group" that I'm missing. Are you including dead people? 😄

Stihl waters

"Disastrous government rollout " one of the most successful in the world btw and they're "lucky" you agreed to getting first one. No one gives a **** whether you get the second one or not, you seem to think your opinion is important, get it and you can move freely or don't and you'll have some movements curtailed for the good of the majority, don't fool yourself into thinking we're "lucky" we (the vast majority) don't give two fcuks if you never got it

crooked cockney villain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117689343#Comment_117689343

You sound like that Pete Lunn fella from the ESRI, going on the radio every few weeks with his surveys showing 96% restriction compliance and that most people have apparently actually quite enjoyed lockdown.

Out there in the real world, away from the restrictions threads, I don't know a single person who thinks that we have been told the full truth about Covid, at least anybody under 60. These stretch from believing its threat has been wildly exaggerated for political ends (myself, and probably the most popular opinion) to thinking the thing doesn't exist (which is clearly bollix). Anybody with half a brain can see NPHET used it to wage war on our pub culture. Micheal Martin inadvertently admitted that we would have ended up in the same place by taking the Swedish approach. I actually feel sorry for you, I really do.

I would say men are far more likely to hold these opinions than women, whether that's because men tend to be more mathematical and thus interested in reading the balanced figures reporting on gript.ie and the likes who knows.

Seth Brundle

Nothing childish about it. Childish is the people who hang on every word of the NPHET Gods.

So our government has a panel of scientific experts to advise them. Now it's childish to listen to the advice because the non experts reckon they know better?

Since when has it been fashionable to be dense?

Bass Reeves

OP stop moaning and take your medicine. It only a little jab. You said you had a mild dose of COVID were you PCR tested. Even if you had a confirmed infection there is always the chance of a false positive test from a PCR test. Previous rules were made earlier. However rules regarding EU vaccination certificate are made at EU level. The Irish authorities cannot change that.

Be a good chappie and put you arm out again, no point moaning, take your medicine.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117686646#Comment_117686646

The so-called third dose will primarily apply to very high risk groups, otherwise it will be like the flu jabs for everyone else.

crooked cockney villain

The views on this thread are deeply concerning tbh.

There are people here who see no issue with the government announcing in April that only one shot of an experimental emergency approved vaccine, with rare but known serious side effects including death, was required, but then quietly rescinded this with seemingly no public announcement on the issue. An infection and a shot were considered double vaxxed in April, now to get my cert I have to essentially be triple vaxxed, within 12 or so weeks?

As said I deliberately didn't bother going for a J and J as I felt I would be wasting it as a Covid recovered person. More fool me for playing ball.

There are people who think it's perfectly acceptable for healthcare professionals to have such little knowledge of their own brief that they were either unaware this decision was ever made or pretend they never heard of it and treat the patient as if they had read it on Gemma O'Doherty's posts rather than on the IT and RTE.

Lumen

It's not an experimental vaccine.

crooked cockney villain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117689872#Comment_117689872

In April 2020 you couldn't find a single expert who believed a vaccine would be available in under three years. Some speculated that one might never be developed- after all there is none for Ebola, HIV, etc they said.

A few months later we are told the vaccine has always existed, it's a SARS vaccine that just needs a bit of tweaking and we're ready to go by November (3 days after Trump was voted out, no less.)

Nobody is arguing that the vaccine works, or adversely effects a large proportion of people. But you would want to be some fool to believe everything about it. And yes, my only reason for taking it is to get my freedoms back, as sad as that is that the government can hold us over such a barrel.

crooked cockney villain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117689769#Comment_117689769

In October NPHET released a report crediting the September surge in Covid cases to the re opening of pubs. The report failed to mention anything about colleges and schools returning in this timeframe, only pubs.

It's actually scary that grown adults would believe a word these absolute chancers come out with.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117689891#Comment_117689891

I don't understand why some insist on challenging other people's reasons for getting vaccinated. The aim of the programme is to maximise that and motivations are secondary.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117689899#Comment_117689899

Schools were set up so that kids were socially distanced, one way corridors, separated by perspex, windows wide open and so on. Most schools set up satellite classes where possible. Kids also wore masks all day long and took staggered lunch breaks.

Pubs still involved people being close to each other without masks.

The number of infections traced back to schools was minute.

Honestly, it's not rocket science.

OP wishes he didn't start thread now. In addition to pricks in your arm, you now got a pummelling.

timsey tiger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117688350#Comment_117688350

Yeah, but did they die with small-pox or of it?

Tork

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058201616/i-dont-want-a-3rd-vaccine

Let's go right back to the start of this. You got vaccinated the other week with the very vaccine you're now ranting about. I don't have much time for anti vaxxers but at least they stick to their principles. You're all over the place here. First you got mad because you decided that you only needed one jab. Now you're banging on about it being an experimental vaccine etc. despite choosing of your own free will to be injected with the very same experimental vaccine.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117689891#Comment_117689891

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117689899#Comment_117689899

Once again we have an anti-vaxer pedaling half truths and lies. The big fear in April 2020 was that big pharma would be reluctant to commit resources to developing a vaccine. In the early noughties the they developed a vaccine for SARS but because the disease was bought under control the company that developed it lost a lot of money on the project.

The thinking at the start was about traditional vaccines which would take that long to develop and there manufacturing process is much longer. However the development of mRNA and adenovirus-vectored vaccines are faster to develop and gauranteed funding from government's allowed pharmaceutical companies to commit resources to develop them

As for last Autumn's spike Government put in place system to reduce risk schools. Children were at less risk of spreading the the infection. The surge we got at Christmas proved that pubs were a much more risky environment to spread infection. As well some idiots settings up shebeens did not help.

So be a good lad and take your medicine

When you look at how far humanity has come and then you look at someone like the OP and wonder how the fook we managed to crawl out from caves. It's a wonder.

crooked cockney villain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117690004#Comment_117690004

Sweet jaysus, are you Simon Harris' PA or something?

For the last time. The Christmas surge didn't come from the pubs. The Christmas surge came from Micheal Martin doing nothing to prevent tens of thousands of people returning from London at a time when circa 1 in 30 Londoners were believed to be infected with the Kent variant. A decision for which he should be facing criminal and civil prosecution as it knocked the country back five months.

Had we introduced checkpoints on the Northern border and travel bans we would have been experiencing 20- 30 cases per day in February and March. By the time it eventually did sneak in it would have been March or April and our vulnerable would already have been vaccinated.

But no, mUh mEntAl helthz said the expats. Hopefully a good few of the selfish phucks passed it on to their parents and now find themselves ostracised by the rest of the family.

Happydays2020

If the science says that getting a third jab will be necessary and is safe, then sign me up now.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117690089#Comment_117690089

Again more half truths, lies and misinformation. While the Pre Christmas variant came in from the UK it was spread by the reopening of pub/restaurants mainly. It is impossible to prevent a new varient's entering the country. Australia is struggling with its zero COVID policy with the arrival of the Delta varient. It dose not share a land border with any other country and is thousands of miles from its nearest neighbours by sea and yet it has had outbreak's

Ya put checkpoints on the border the British failed to seal that border from IRA terrorist's during the troubles.

I beginning to wonder as well how we got out of the f@@king caves with your logic. I not SH's PA but God gave me a few brain cells that I use. He seems to have missed you when he was giving them out. The single one you have seem to be banging off your skull and getting damaged

ebbsy

There is nothing "disasterous" about our rollout.

crooked cockney villain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117690201#Comment_117690201

l0lz. Just l0lz.

Do you know what 1 in 30 means? Do you know how that works out when importing 50,000 people from London who all go on to attend Christmas dinner with 10 relatives?

How is Simon anyway?

crooked cockney villain

This thread is a disturbing glimpse into the indoctrination of some people (thankfully a tiny minority, you would never see the rubbish spouted here out in the real world where people are more clued in to what NPHET is about)

• there is nothing slightly unusual about the government declaring in late April that Covid recovered people only needed one dose, but then rescinding this decision with zero public announcement
• it is not the place of healthcare professionals administering the vaccine to be aware that this ever happened.
• I have full faith in a body/ government that has diddled hospitalisation figures (by counting people who catch Covid within hospital or test positive on admission, disguising them as people brought in coughing their lungs up in an ambulance), has distorted fatality figures, and released bullsh1t reports placing the blame for a September surge solely on pubs and not colleges/ schools
• I have full faith in a body that has pursued the most anti science anti pub agenda this side of Saudi Arabia
• I have full faith in a body that claims to not have daily death figures due to a hack three months ago, primarily because reporting "1300 cases, zero deaths, 1450 cases zero deaths, 1520 cases 1 death" doesn't frighten the public too much
• I have full faith in a rushed vaccine despite what happened with the swine flu one
• "Make your own decision" people say, as if we have a choice.

I was over in England last week, the amount of people still wearing their masks is pathetic. It isn't about their safety, more about wearing something to indicate you think Boris is a prick. If mask mandates were dropped in Ireland tomorrow people would be burning the wretched things in the streets.

Bottom line for the TLDR- in April the government regarded me as fully vaccinated under rules they then drafted.

Now, they don't.

What changed since then?

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117690359#Comment_117690359

The delta variant?

I mean, duh.

The rest is just a meandering rant.

jakiah

This thread is gold. A furious anti-vaxxer who has had one dose but doesnt want the second. Comical stuff.

crooked cockney villain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117690460#Comment_117690460

If I was an anti vaxxer I wouldn't have taken the first. I just want to know what changed between late April and now, the actual science behind it.

And more importantly, why the one shot decision was the biggest news story of the day when it happened in late April but it was subsequently dropped without seemingly any public announcement. And when it was dropped- did people for a few days/ weeks in early May get away with having one shot?

crooked cockney villain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117690392#Comment_117690392

The Delta variant is a higher risk to those who have merely recovered from Covid?

Then why are we allowed travel to the UK on a recovery cert where Delta has been absolutely rampant?

Does anybody ask question any more or are they too busy painting Superman murals of Holohan?

jakiah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117690473#Comment_117690473

Well you can wait for your second jab like everyone else then, good lad.

Moragle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117690473#Comment_117690473

The government announced it but never put it into vaccination policy. It never made it into the guidelines for vaccinating. The research shows that under 50s who are not immunosuppressed and have recovered from covid in the last 6 months only need one dose of vaccine. Its in the vaccine training. But not in the policy. Therefore everyone gets two shots. I'm a vaccinator

crooked cockney villain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117690528#Comment_117690528

So vaccinators do have this information.

Yet earlier people scoffed at the idea that it was unacceptable that the two nurses I dealt with had never heard of this decision. It's in their manual, which this pair seemingly didn't bother reading properly if they had never heard of the one shot decision. With people with this attitude involved and then people wonder where vaccine hesitancy comes from, professionalism costs nothing.

The article I linked earlier said the Cabinet had passed the measure. My gripe is how was this the biggest news story of the day in late April but was later quietly cancelled.

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117689768#Comment_117689768

Lol,

You're all over the shop and having a bit of a mare on this thread.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117690484#Comment_117690484

The answer is that you probably shouldn't be able to travel to the UK on a recovery cert and the full vaccination cert should be all that's allowed.

Reality is that they know that a lot of holidaymakers won't have been able to get the full dosing schedule this summer, so this is allowed in the mean time and as it's time limited (6 months from infection) it will time itself out automatically and those using it will either need to get fully dosed or hope that all restrictions are gone by then.

Also, pre-delta, one shot was enough to qualify as vaccinated for activities (given the long wait times till dose 2 and to not put people off getting AZ), but this was dropped before it was even rolled out when it was seen that 2 shots were needed to reduce the spread of delta among vaccinated people.

But that's not the answer you wanted to hear, is it?

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117690133#Comment_117690133

That looks to be unlikely unless you are in a high risk group.

airy fairy

I think the OP is failing to understand, or doesn't want to understand, how we were faced with an unknown virus last Feb '20. Since then we've learned and understood and as the virus mutates (changes) so does advice, recommendations. As we learn, things change, we're told one thing, then something different, not for the fun of it, but because we are learning. Vaccines were given out, then paused, then resumed, then a different protocol is introduced, data is being collected all the time. Scientists are still trying to find out when to give boosters, if at all, or maybe asap, who knows, that's why constant collection of data is required.

To suggest a vaccinator is hiding information, or suggesting that they couldn't be bothered reading up on something just shows the ignorance by the op. I just pity the poor vaccinator being stuck with the OP in a vaccination booth, looking for explainations and being downright awkward.

Move aside, if you don't want your next vaccine, plenty more will take yours. Plenty more will appreciate the value of a vaccine.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117689965#Comment_117689965

????????

PhantomHat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117690392#Comment_117690392

What a contribution! Dismissive trite comments in fairness not help the conversation.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117690865#Comment_117690865

The rest is more suited to some of the threads on the Conspiracies forum and probably best not engaged with here.

Testing on the vaccine for stupid is still ongoing, the current strain is particularly resistant.

Moragle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117690548#Comment_117690548

You didn't read what I posted. The guidance is that everyone gets two vaccines. Yes, it mentions in the training that people under 50 who've had covid would be fully vaccinated with one dose. But that's not in the current vaccine guidance from niac. Which is what we go by, not government announcements.

When did Pfizer/AZ say their vaccine was a single only dose, OP?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117691150#Comment_117691150

Whospers, you may have just killed the thread. A perfect model of the new boards AH thread.

xhomelezz

I still don't know what this thread is about OP, but anyway, there's my bit to accommodate you. And you can count the fingers.

Edit: After reading your posts here, think that's the only proper answer imo.

head82

Been following this thread with great interest in the hope that some degree of balance might prevail. It hasn't happened.

In fact, I'm quite shocked at the vitriol levelled against the OP for what I would have thought a not unreasonable query / point of view.

Probably the most shocking of all was the comment that this individual has a drink problem because the only reason he accepted the vaccine was because he wanted to gain access to a pub.

A man complys with regulations ( even though same regulations conflict with his personal stance regarding vaccinations ) just so he can sit indoors and have a pint and all of a sudden he's labeled an alcoholic.. FFS!

I assume this vaccination compliance also applys to those who receive the vaccine only to enable them to get on a plane and travel foreign as someone who has a problem with 'holidaying in Ireland'.

Or to gain access to a restaurant as.. 'what, can you not cook for yourself?'

And anyone that claims they're receiving the vaccine for the sole purpose of, " well it's for the betterment of society so that we can all get back to normal" is talking out of their sanctimonious 'we're all in this together' arse!

And as for these type of comments, 'just take your medicine like a good lad'.. sweet Jesus!

If I thought there was an element of sarcasm or joviality to them, well.. fine.

But I don't believe there is. I honestly think the majority of people follow this line of thought. The OP made a comment that these people "were in the minority". He's mistaken.. this is increasingly becoming the predominant attitude. Not just on this thread but across the board. It's despairing.

"I'm not an Anti Vaxxer but" .. I would seriously consider joining their ranks if I thought for one moment it would knock some of these unquestioning, nose-led people from their high moral ground.

I don't know to what degree posters on Boards reflect everyday society but if here is any indication, this is not a society I want to have any part in protecting.

xhomelezz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117692066#Comment_117692066

To be honest OP did the job himself. It's not enough just to follow the thread, you have to read it as well.

Happydays2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117690596#Comment_117690596

Let’s see. As I said ‘If’.

Donald Trump

Imagine volunteering to go to a fairly crowded building, surrounded yourself with thousands of strangers daily, in the middle of a pandemic, to do your bit for society to help with the rollout of a very important vaccination program and then find that you are having to waste valuable time and energy on an ungrateful punter who is moaning about policy decisions and why there should be a special exception made just for them.

We should all be very very grateful to the staff and volunteers at those centres. They are the ones that will get us back to normality.

crooked cockney villain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117692066#Comment_117692066

A great post, although I would strongly disagree that the opinions here are that of the majority of the public. I don't know anybody in the real world who buys into the NPHET loyal nonsense being spouted here. I honestly don't know a single person who believes that the government/ NPHET have been entirely transparent regarding this whole crisis. An objective approach on the whole crisis doesn't mean you believe in reptillians, Bill Gates and the 5G stuff either. It just means you can spot a dodgy report and cooked maths when you see them.

My personal favourite so far is the stance that nurses administering the vaccines don't really need to know anything about vaccine schedules and it's a bit arrogant to think that they should.

Risteard81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117694357#Comment_117694357

You are correct that they publicly stated that a single dose would do following recovery from a positive CT-PCR test at 45 cycles. I'm not sure why there's such hostility to you.

This abhorrent so-called "government" is so fundamentally dishonest, and we know nothing of long-term effects so I have prescribed zero doses to myself and will not tolerate loss of freedom for that. An Emergency Use Authorisation is not a licensed product either.

Spiderman0081

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117690021#Comment_117690021

Don’t get ahead of yourself there. Fair City and Love Island are extremely popular. Those that lived in caves were no doubt a lot sharper.